Please!! "Save face" Microsoft!!

Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that "today"
Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and thousands of us who
use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update. Again, before any
other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to do this manually on
one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I don't want to have to
hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500 machines and do this!!!
Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out there
that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that option
since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of places
to hide.
It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be an
update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a way
for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update that
I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!! I don't
want to go to Macs!!!!!!

Customers in the U.S. and Canada can receive technical support from
Microsoft Product Support Services at 1-866-PCSAFETY. There is no charge for
support calls that are associated with security updates.

International customers can receive support from their local Microsoft
subsidiaries. There is no charge for support that is associated with
security updates. For more information about how to contact Microsoft for
support issues, visit the International Support Web site:
https://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org


Jeff Martin wrote:
> Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that
> "today" Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and
> thousands
> of us who use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update.
> Again, before any other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to
> do
> this manually on one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I
> don't want to have to hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500
> machines and do this!!!
> Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
> because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out
> there
> that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
> If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that option
> since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of
> places
> to hide.
> It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be an
> update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a way
> for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update
> that I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!!
> I
> don't want to go to Macs!!!!!!

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:38:02 +1000, Jeff Martin
<> wrote:

> Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that
> "today"
> Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and thousands of
> us who
> use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update. Again,
> before any
> other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to do this manually
> on
> one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I don't want to have
> to
> hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500 machines and do this!!!
> Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
> because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out
> there
> that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
> If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that
> option
> since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of
> places
> to hide.
> It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be
> an
> update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a
> way
> for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update
> that
> I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!! I
> don't
> want to go to Macs!!!!!!
>


I'm not an MS Rep, but you could try the following in a login script:

net stop wuauserv
rd /s /q %windir%\softwaredistribution
net start wuauserv

Simply:
stop Automatic update service
delete softwaredistribution
start automatic update service

Doing this manually on a PC, then going to the windows update site
manually, enables windows update to be used (IE Must click a button to use
MS updates). Downside is the initial scan will take a little longer than
normal, as the database must be recreated, but if the amount of time the
scan is already taken is as long as your implying, then it won't be
noticable. In addition, any hidden updates will then be available again.

Try your luck, please let me know how it works out.

Steve

Thx Steve - great post - I haven't had any luck from Microsoft reps - yes, I
have NOT called yet but I also haven't had time to wait on hold for an hour
or so at work~ (experienced that before) and with the Microsoft Update
SVCHost "bug" being so widespread, I can assume they are a bit swamped right
now.
I'll test this tomorrow with a GP push on some test machines and post my
results - thx~~
Jeff

"steven" wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:38:02 +1000, Jeff Martin
> <> wrote:
>
> > Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that
> > "today"
> > Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and thousands of
> > us who
> > use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update. Again,
> > before any
> > other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to do this manually
> > on
> > one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I don't want to have
> > to
> > hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500 machines and do this!!!
> > Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
> > because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out
> > there
> > that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
> > If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that
> > option
> > since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of
> > places
> > to hide.
> > It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be
> > an
> > update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a
> > way
> > for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update
> > that
> > I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!! I
> > don't
> > want to go to Macs!!!!!!
> >
>
>
> I'm not an MS Rep, but you could try the following in a login script:
>
> net stop wuauserv
> rd /s /q %windir%\softwaredistribution
> net start wuauserv
>
> Simply:
> stop Automatic update service
> delete softwaredistribution
> start automatic update service
>
> Doing this manually on a PC, then going to the windows update site
> manually, enables windows update to be used (IE Must click a button to use
> MS updates). Downside is the initial scan will take a little longer than
> normal, as the database must be recreated, but if the amount of time the
> scan is already taken is as long as your implying, then it won't be
> noticable. In addition, any hidden updates will then be available again.
>
> Try your luck, please let me know how it works out.
>
> Steve
>

Rants aside, Robear (hard to fathom a comportate admin, "500 machines" and no
onsite admin/rep support..., but I wonder what issues he refers to "WinUpd
vs. MS Upd" and "the FIX" he knows but doesn't want to use it nor have anyone
tell/retell it to him?

(Office Updates, I imagine being one of the issues...)

Poster (Jeff M), you know these groups are not Microsoft right? (Hence, the
bear recommending contacting Microsoft for help, since you asked).


"PA Bear" wrote:

> Customers in the U.S. and Canada can receive technical support from
> Microsoft Product Support Services at 1-866-PCSAFETY. There is no charge for
> support calls that are associated with security updates.
>
> International customers can receive support from their local Microsoft
> subsidiaries. There is no charge for support that is associated with
> security updates. For more information about how to contact Microsoft for
> support issues, visit the International Support Web site:
> https://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
> AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
>
>
> Jeff Martin wrote:
> > Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that
> > "today" Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and
> > thousands
> > of us who use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update.
> > Again, before any other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to
> > do
> > this manually on one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I
> > don't want to have to hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500
> > machines and do this!!!
> > Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
> > because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out
> > there
> > that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
> > If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that option
> > since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of
> > places
> > to hide.
> > It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be an
> > update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a way
> > for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update
> > that I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!!
> > I
> > don't want to go to Macs!!!!!!
>
>

Jeff Martin wrote:

> Thx Steve - great post - I haven't had any luck from Microsoft reps - yes, I
> have NOT called yet but I also haven't had time to wait on hold for an hour
> or so at work~ (experienced that before) and with the Microsoft Update
> SVCHost "bug" being so widespread, I can assume they are a bit swamped right
> now.
> I'll test this tomorrow with a GP push on some test machines and post my
> results - thx~~
> Jeff


Did that resolve the issue, Jeff ? If you could, please lay out the
steps to include the script in GP for other Admins ... if it worked <w>

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



> "steven" wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:38:02 +1000, Jeff Martin
>><> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, after three other posts asking the question, I will assume that
>>>"today"
>>>Microsoft has no solution or remedy for the thousands and thousands of
>>>us who
>>>use Microsoft Update and want to go back to Windows Update. Again,
>>>before any
>>>other Microsoft reps reply to this post. I know how to do this manually
>>>on
>>>one machine!! I need to do this on a domain!!!! And I don't want to have
>>>to
>>>hire "temp" help to manually walk to over 500 machines and do this!!!
>>>Look, I am not as upset about the problems that Microsoft update causes
>>>because I know the fix but PLEASE, I'm not the only network admin out
>>>there
>>>that is screaming because their domain is crawling!!!!
>>>If I have to abandon updates entirely, I guess I will consider that
>>>option
>>>since my employees are starting to hunt me down and I have ran out of
>>>places
>>>to hide.
>>>It is impossible for me to expect that from time to time there won't be
>>>an
>>>update released that will cause problems on machines but PLEASE have a
>>>way
>>>for all of to reverse it!! Is there a canned MSI file for Windows Update
>>>that
>>>I can use to push out to my crawling PC's?? HELP US MICROSOFT!!!!!!! I
>>>don't
>>>want to go to Macs!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>>I'm not an MS Rep, but you could try the following in a login script:
>>
>>net stop wuauserv
>>rd /s /q %windir%\softwaredistribution
>>net start wuauserv
>>
>>Simply:
>>stop Automatic update service
>>delete softwaredistribution
>>start automatic update service
>>
>>Doing this manually on a PC, then going to the windows update site
>>manually, enables windows update to be used (IE Must click a button to use
>>MS updates). Downside is the initial scan will take a little longer than
>>normal, as the database must be recreated, but if the amount of time the
>>scan is already taken is as long as your implying, then it won't be
>>noticable. In addition, any hidden updates will then be available again.
>>
>>Try your luck, please let me know how it works out.
>>
>>Steve
>>