PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!!!

If anyone at Microsoft is reading this, let me add my voice in and beg you,
on my knees, ...

PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!

Some of us are advanced users and we do actually happen to know when the
best time to reboot after an update is. But as a matter of habit I will
often get notice the "Update Available" system tray icon and click on it and
let it do its thing--always first observing what's affected first--but I may
need at least another hour or two of doing other administrative
tasks--actually, in my case, doing development work on things that I know
are not affected by the update I had installed. But every few minutes my
work is inturrupted with a dialog box, "HEY, YOU SHOULD RESTART, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO NOW OR LATER?" I click later and it inturrupts me again. On and on
the cycle goes, sometimes for days if I'm on a system that cannot rebooted
for a while, and I can't roll back. Guys, clicking on that "Later" button ..
that's not "later" that's only a moment.

If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and replaces
itself!!

This is ludicrous!! Quit assuming that YOUR updates are more important than
OUR productivity. I'll restart whenever I %@^! well feel like it. Please
knock this off!!

Sincerely, wholeheartedly, and very, very annoyed,

Jon

On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:06:30 -0700, "Jon Davis"
<> wrote:

>If anyone at Microsoft is reading this, let me add my voice in and beg you,
>on my knees, ...
>
>PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!
>
>Some of us are advanced users and we do actually happen to know when the
>best time to reboot after an update is. But as a matter of habit I will
>often get notice the "Update Available" system tray icon and click on it and
>let it do its thing--always first observing what's affected first--but I may
>need at least another hour or two of doing other administrative
>tasks--actually, in my case, doing development work on things that I know
>are not affected by the update I had installed. But every few minutes my
>work is inturrupted with a dialog box, "HEY, YOU SHOULD RESTART, WOULD YOU
>LIKE TO NOW OR LATER?" I click later and it inturrupts me again. On and on
>the cycle goes, sometimes for days if I'm on a system that cannot rebooted
>for a while, and I can't roll back. Guys, clicking on that "Later" button ..
>that's not "later" that's only a moment.
>
>If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and replaces
>itself!!
>
>This is ludicrous!! Quit assuming that YOUR updates are more important than
>OUR productivity. I'll restart whenever I %@^! well feel like it. Please
>knock this off!!

Some people are on dial-up too and having to reboot unnecessarily adds
additional costs to the phone bill.

>Sincerely, wholeheartedly, and very, very annoyed,

I'm with you there Jon.
--

-.'.- Les Rivett

Jon Davis wrote:
> If anyone at Microsoft is reading this, let me add my voice in and
> beg you, on my knees, ...
>
> PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!
>
> Some of us are advanced users and we do actually happen to know
> when the best time to reboot after an update is. But as a matter of
> habit I will often get notice the "Update Available" system tray
> icon and click on it and let it do its thing--always first
> observing what's affected first--but I may need at least another
> hour or two of doing other administrative tasks--actually, in my
> case, doing development work on things that I know are not affected
> by the update I had installed. But every few minutes my work is
> inturrupted with a dialog box, "HEY, YOU SHOULD RESTART, WOULD YOU
> LIKE TO NOW OR LATER?" I click later and it inturrupts me again. On
> and on the cycle goes, sometimes for days if I'm on a system that
> cannot rebooted for a while, and I can't roll back. Guys, clicking
> on that "Later" button .. that's not "later" that's only a moment.
> If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and
> replaces itself!!
>
> This is ludicrous!! Quit assuming that YOUR updates are more
> important than OUR productivity. I'll restart whenever I %@^! well
> feel like it. Please knock this off!!

You decided (as an "advanced user and who actually happens to know when the
best time to reboot after an update is") to choose fully automatic updates
instead of just "Download updates for me, but let me choose when to install
them."

Interesting.

If you just set your automatic updates to that - then you have full control
over the process - choosing WHEN to install them and thus - when to reboot.
Some of the updates may have replaced critical files or need to register
certain DLLS or need to replace in-use files.. So - it's asking you to
reboot to finish the installation process. If you controlled when it
installed (which you have always had the choice to do, as you obviously knew
as an advanced user) - then your problem goes away. After all - what;s the
use in allowing automatic updates fully if you don't plan on rebooting and
letting the patch finish its job - which means whatever security hole it was
patching is likely still open until you do.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Jon;
That has been brought up before and probably will not change since you
already have options in Windows Update.
The best option for you may be to change your Windows Update options.
Since you are an advanced user you can effectively monitor and update at a
convenient time for you.

"sometimes for days"
That is a bad practice on your part.
The update is not always fully installed and thus the protection/change not
always available until after a reboot.
If you can not reboot soon (< 2 hours), do not install the update.

But if you want to bring it up to Microsoft again, this is the wrong place
since these newsgroups are not officially monitored by Microsoft. When
someone from Microsoft is here, it is on their own time.
Try here instead:
https://support.microsoft.com/common...page=1&WS=Wish

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
> If anyone at Microsoft is reading this, let me add my voice in and beg
> you, on my knees, ...
>
> PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!
>
> Some of us are advanced users and we do actually happen to know when the
> best time to reboot after an update is. But as a matter of habit I will
> often get notice the "Update Available" system tray icon and click on it
> and let it do its thing--always first observing what's affected first--but
> I may need at least another hour or two of doing other administrative
> tasks--actually, in my case, doing development work on things that I know
> are not affected by the update I had installed. But every few minutes my
> work is inturrupted with a dialog box, "HEY, YOU SHOULD RESTART, WOULD YOU
> LIKE TO NOW OR LATER?" I click later and it inturrupts me again. On and on
> the cycle goes, sometimes for days if I'm on a system that cannot rebooted
> for a while, and I can't roll back. Guys, clicking on that "Later" button
> .. that's not "later" that's only a moment.
>
> If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and
> replaces itself!!
>
> This is ludicrous!! Quit assuming that YOUR updates are more important
> than OUR productivity. I'll restart whenever I %@^! well feel like it.
> Please knock this off!!
>
> Sincerely, wholeheartedly, and very, very annoyed,
>
> Jon

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Jon;
> That has been brought up before and probably will not change since you
> already have options in Windows Update.
> The best option for you may be to change your Windows Update options.
> Since you are an advanced user you can effectively monitor and update at a
> convenient time for you.

I DO!! I install when convenient. I even visit the web site now and then and
do it from there, completely manually. But then I am NAGGED TO DEATH to
reboot when I may not want to reboot until later, I just wanted to have the
updates cached and out of my way till next reboot cycle (maybe end of the
week).

And I'm fully aware that updated files are not replaced if they are in use,
or that some apps or system resources can become unstable, etc., etc., until
reboot, because some files are replaced, blah blah blah. I wasn't born last
year. I just want the nagging to stop when I MANUALLY update via Windows
Update or via the "downloaded but not installed" option w/ the icon saying
that updates are "ready".

> "sometimes for days"
> That is a bad practice on your part.

Don't tell me about "bad practices", I know what I'm doing. I happen to be
cognizant of the updates. For instance, .NET Framework doesn't need a reboot
and when Windows thinks it does then I don't care about the files that need
to be replaced, but I might need the Framework updated NOW to test a simple
assembly, but cannot afford to shut down a server for it. The files not in
use do get updated and the assemblies can execute fine for my assembly I'm
testing, but I'm still nagged to death to reboot.

Or, there may be Internet Explorer updates, which I want installed so that I
don't have to think about installing them next time the server is cycled but
it's not something I need fully installed and fully functional yet.

Generally I install when updates are ready, if I feel they won't break
things half-installed, just so that I don't have to focus any thought toward
them later, when I am ready to reboot.

Etc., etc. Don't argue with me, I just plain don't want to be NAGGED, I want
FULL CONTROL of my operating environment and I HATE it when the OS vendor
takes over in this way.

> If you can not reboot soon (< 2 hours), do not install the update.

Uh, yes. I want to do what I like. I would suggest Microsoft wait to show me
the "updates are ready" nag icon (which I want to see) only when I'm ready
to reboot soon, but they haven't come out with "read your mind" software. So
in the mean time I would rather they just give us the benefit of a doubt!!

> But if you want to bring it up to Microsoft again, this is the wrong place
> since these newsgroups are not officially monitored by Microsoft.

Of course not "officially". But they are monitored. That's why I said "if".

> When someone from Microsoft is here, it is on their own time.

Yeah well I welcome them to hear my rants while downing that submarine
sandwich.

Jon

"I DO!! I install when convenient."
Installing includes the necessary reboot, so it seems you don't if you are
unable to reboot at that time.
There are already several options and as said earlier, it is unlikely
another will be added.
You need to work with what is available until you and others who believe as
you, convince Microsoft to change.

"But they are monitored"
Not regularly or consistently since these are peer to peer support
newsgroups.
There is a good chance your post and even this thread may never be seen by
Microsoft.

So I guess that means you will make no attempt to notify Microsoft of your
needs through an appropriate channel?
As I said before, this is not the place if you want assurance that Microsoft
will see it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Jon;
>> That has been brought up before and probably will not change since you
>> already have options in Windows Update.
>> The best option for you may be to change your Windows Update options.
>> Since you are an advanced user you can effectively monitor and update at
>> a convenient time for you.
>
> I DO!! I install when convenient. I even visit the web site now and then
> and do it from there, completely manually. But then I am NAGGED TO DEATH
> to reboot when I may not want to reboot until later, I just wanted to have
> the updates cached and out of my way till next reboot cycle (maybe end of
> the week).
>
> And I'm fully aware that updated files are not replaced if they are in
> use, or that some apps or system resources can become unstable, etc.,
> etc., until reboot, because some files are replaced, blah blah blah. I
> wasn't born last year. I just want the nagging to stop when I MANUALLY
> update via Windows Update or via the "downloaded but not installed" option
> w/ the icon saying that updates are "ready".
>
>> "sometimes for days"
>> That is a bad practice on your part.
>
> Don't tell me about "bad practices", I know what I'm doing. I happen to be
> cognizant of the updates. For instance, .NET Framework doesn't need a
> reboot and when Windows thinks it does then I don't care about the files
> that need to be replaced, but I might need the Framework updated NOW to
> test a simple assembly, but cannot afford to shut down a server for it.
> The files not in use do get updated and the assemblies can execute fine
> for my assembly I'm testing, but I'm still nagged to death to reboot.
>
> Or, there may be Internet Explorer updates, which I want installed so that
> I don't have to think about installing them next time the server is cycled
> but it's not something I need fully installed and fully functional yet.
>
> Generally I install when updates are ready, if I feel they won't break
> things half-installed, just so that I don't have to focus any thought
> toward them later, when I am ready to reboot.
>
> Etc., etc. Don't argue with me, I just plain don't want to be NAGGED, I
> want FULL CONTROL of my operating environment and I HATE it when the OS
> vendor takes over in this way.
>
>> If you can not reboot soon (< 2 hours), do not install the update.
>
> Uh, yes. I want to do what I like. I would suggest Microsoft wait to show
> me the "updates are ready" nag icon (which I want to see) only when I'm
> ready to reboot soon, but they haven't come out with "read your mind"
> software. So in the mean time I would rather they just give us the benefit
> of a doubt!!
>
>> But if you want to bring it up to Microsoft again, this is the wrong
>> place since these newsgroups are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
>
> Of course not "officially". But they are monitored. That's why I said
> "if".
>
>> When someone from Microsoft is here, it is on their own time.
>
> Yeah well I welcome them to hear my rants while downing that submarine
> sandwich.
>
> Jon

Hi,

After the first reboot offer dialog box have popped up, you can stop
it from repeating by stopping the Automatic Updates service.

Start/Run --> services.msc

Right click on the "Automatic Updates" entry, and select "Stop".


Alternatively you can change the amount of time for Automatic Updates
to wait before prompting again for restart.

You do that by setting the policy "Re-prompt for restart with scheduled
installations" (1440 minutes is max).

Windows XP Home does not have gpedit.msc, so the procedure below does
not apply (but you can set the registry setting manually yourself for
that OS I think).

Start/Run --> gpedit.msc

Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows
Components -> Windows Update -> Re-prompt for restart with scheduled
installations

Regards,
Torgeir

Jon Davis wrote:

> If anyone at Microsoft is reading this, let me add my voice in and beg you,
> on my knees, ...
>
> PLEASE stop nagging us to reboot!!
>
> Some of us are advanced users and we do actually happen to know when the
> best time to reboot after an update is. But as a matter of habit I will
> often get notice the "Update Available" system tray icon and click on it and
> let it do its thing--always first observing what's affected first--but I may
> need at least another hour or two of doing other administrative
> tasks--actually, in my case, doing development work on things that I know
> are not affected by the update I had installed. But every few minutes my
> work is inturrupted with a dialog box, "HEY, YOU SHOULD RESTART, WOULD YOU
> LIKE TO NOW OR LATER?" I click later and it inturrupts me again. On and on
> the cycle goes, sometimes for days if I'm on a system that cannot rebooted
> for a while, and I can't roll back. Guys, clicking on that "Later" button ..
> that's not "later" that's only a moment.
>
> If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and replaces
> itself!!
>
> This is ludicrous!! Quit assuming that YOUR updates are more important than
> OUR productivity. I'll restart whenever I %@^! well feel like it. Please
> knock this off!!
>
> Sincerely, wholeheartedly, and very, very annoyed,
>
> Jon
>
>


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx

"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:
....
> If I kill the nagging process in the Task Manager, it just goes and replaces itself!!


What are you killing? Just wuauclt.exe?
(Use Task Manager and its right-click Show Process to identify it.)

Try stopping wuauserv too?


---

Jon -

Your opinion is in the minority - and as such, I'm afraid you won't find
much sympathy for your situation as you can fully control your OS and its
behavior with regards to Windows Updates. You may have to do a little
Googling, but the information is there. The opinion of most people who work
with Windows Updates and Update Services is "don't install an update unless
you know you can reboot after." This is the safest update practice
possible.

As far as your question:
Why don't you just switch your Automatic Updates through the Control Panel
to 'off', and then just go to Windows Update once per week for your updates
when you know you can reboot? I'm sorry that you feel annoyed about the
Windows Updates, but can you imagine the legal backlash that Microsoft would
experience if they didn't remind people to restart? Unfortunately, not
everyone is as computer savvy as you and need this reminder.

You mentioned that you will install updates anyway "if I feel they won't
break things half-installed" - this is a very dangerous assumption, as you
obviously know - and it is because of assumptions like this that Microsoft
reminds you to reboot.

I know this doesn't need to be stated, but for the other thread readers
benefit in the future:
When you run your computer after an update has been applied, it is in a (as
you know) a "not fully patched" state, so therefore, for your computing
stability, MS recommends that you restart your computer as soon as possible.
This is why they are reminding you over and over again - basically, it's to
put the onus on you, not Microsoft, if something doesn't work because you
didn't reboot.

What would happen on the flipside if Windows didn't remind you to reboot?
Lets say you installed an update, forgot to reboot, ran your program,
something broke because of an outdated DLL or existing exploit, etc., and
you lost company data? I would think that you would be very upset (as well
as millions of others), right? As a result, we would probably see another
post from you ranting about why Microsoft doesn't remind people to reboot,
etc. - of course that's an assumption, but my guess is that you wouldn't be
alone in your posting. This is why Microsoft takes every opportunity to
remind you to restart your computer after an update. This is also why they
provide you with the means to very granularly configure the behavior of
your Windows Update agent.

I would follow Torgeir's suggestion and turn off Automatic Updates, then go
to Windows Update. Pick a time that you can afford to reboot during your
obviously busy schedule. If you just want a particular update, just pick
the one that you need and install. Don't worry about the other ones - if
you know that the update won't need a restart, then you won't run into the
problem of running in a patched but not rebooted state. This information is
fully documented in each bulletin, so you shouldn't have much of a problem
there.

If you want to be notified of new updates, then sign up for Microsoft's
security mailing list or RSS feed. There are plenty of options available to
you to be notified without seeing the task bar notifications.

Rob



"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Jon;
>> That has been brought up before and probably will not change since you
>> already have options in Windows Update.
>> The best option for you may be to change your Windows Update options.
>> Since you are an advanced user you can effectively monitor and update at
>> a convenient time for you.
>
> I DO!! I install when convenient. I even visit the web site now and then
> and do it from there, completely manually. But then I am NAGGED TO DEATH
> to reboot when I may not want to reboot until later, I just wanted to have
> the updates cached and out of my way till next reboot cycle (maybe end of
> the week).
>
> And I'm fully aware that updated files are not replaced if they are in
> use, or that some apps or system resources can become unstable, etc.,
> etc., until reboot, because some files are replaced, blah blah blah. I
> wasn't born last year. I just want the nagging to stop when I MANUALLY
> update via Windows Update or via the "downloaded but not installed" option
> w/ the icon saying that updates are "ready".
>
>> "sometimes for days"
>> That is a bad practice on your part.
>
> Don't tell me about "bad practices", I know what I'm doing. I happen to be
> cognizant of the updates. For instance, .NET Framework doesn't need a
> reboot and when Windows thinks it does then I don't care about the files
> that need to be replaced, but I might need the Framework updated NOW to
> test a simple assembly, but cannot afford to shut down a server for it.
> The files not in use do get updated and the assemblies can execute fine
> for my assembly I'm testing, but I'm still nagged to death to reboot.
>
> Or, there may be Internet Explorer updates, which I want installed so that
> I don't have to think about installing them next time the server is cycled
> but it's not something I need fully installed and fully functional yet.
>
> Generally I install when updates are ready, if I feel they won't break
> things half-installed, just so that I don't have to focus any thought
> toward them later, when I am ready to reboot.
>
> Etc., etc. Don't argue with me, I just plain don't want to be NAGGED, I
> want FULL CONTROL of my operating environment and I HATE it when the OS
> vendor takes over in this way.
>
>> If you can not reboot soon (< 2 hours), do not install the update.
>
> Uh, yes. I want to do what I like. I would suggest Microsoft wait to show
> me the "updates are ready" nag icon (which I want to see) only when I'm
> ready to reboot soon, but they haven't come out with "read your mind"
> software. So in the mean time I would rather they just give us the benefit
> of a doubt!!
>
>> But if you want to bring it up to Microsoft again, this is the wrong
>> place since these newsgroups are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
>
> Of course not "officially". But they are monitored. That's why I said
> "if".
>
>> When someone from Microsoft is here, it is on their own time.
>
> Yeah well I welcome them to hear my rants while downing that submarine
> sandwich.
>
> Jon
>
>

maximillianx wrote:

> (snip)
> I would follow Torgeir's suggestion and turn off Automatic
> Updates, then go to Windows Update.
> (snip)
Hi,

Just to clear up any misunderstanding, my advice to Jon wasn't to turn
of the Automatic Updates functionality, but only to temporarily stop
the service to stop the reboot offer from repeating itself.


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx