Poor quoting

This makes newsgroups hard to read especially with lots of replies.
Sometimes the ">" indentation is used but sometimes they dont appear.


Plain Text setting - I have this setting ticked - Indent the original Text
with ">" when replying or forwarding.

Below is a post from someone that is really ****ed off by then :

<start quote>
I've been forced to read/post using google groups and everyone is
blaming google for the poor post quoting going on. I'm not saying
google groups is perfect, or even decent, but after looking at the the
incorrectly formatted posts again, I am concluding that there are two
parties to blame.

It seems that any microsoft news reader, Outlook Express, Windows Mail
Client, does not quote properly when replying to posts made using
google groups. Some people seem to quote my (and others) posts fine,
and when I check their headers, they're invariably using either google
groups themselves or Mozilla Thunderbird, or some other news reader,
anything but a Microsoft product.

So google groups obviously makes posts in some strange format that
screws up Outlook Express (and whatever other MS products are around)
but that other news readers handle fine. So to the OE users out there,
if you want to be able to quote posts properly, upgrade to Thunderbird
(I use it at home, it's simple and efficient), or one of the more
fully featured news readers.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on this whole thing, so reply to this post
to test it out.

<end quote>

any suggestions ?

> So google groups obviously makes posts in some strange format that
> screws up Outlook Express (and whatever other MS products are around)
> but that other news readers handle fine.

There is no International Standard for quoting. How to quote and whether to
quote at all is fully the responsibility of the poster. Just 'cuz it's not
automatic doesn't relieve you of the responsibility of generating a
meaningful and properly quoted message. "Properly quoted" for your own
specific purpose to get your point across. Not necessarily auto-quoted by
some (un)intelligent algorithm.

> So to the OE users out there, if you want to be able to quote posts
> properly, upgrade to Thunderbird

Oh geeze... I can't believe you laid out your agenda so blatantly. Whatever.

> Then again, maybe I'm wrong on this whole thing, so reply to this post
> to test it out.

Okay.

BTW, MS has dropped Outlook Express. You should keep more up to date.

-Frank

"Frankster" <> wrote in message
news: ...
>
> BTW, MS has dropped Outlook Express. You should keep more up to date.

If you checked the headers, you'd see that he was actually using Windows
Mail, which is not much more than a renamed OE7.

In fact, Microsoft seems to have dropped Windows Mail, as the team that made
it, after introducing many new bugs that OE6 never had, was moved on to make
Windows Live Mail.

ss.

"Frankster" <> wrote in message
news: ...
>> So google groups obviously makes posts in some strange format that
>> screws up Outlook Express (and whatever other MS products are around)
>> but that other news readers handle fine.
>
> There is no International Standard for quoting. How to quote and whether
> to quote at all is fully the responsibility of the poster. Just 'cuz it's
> not automatic doesn't relieve you of the responsibility of generating a
> meaningful and properly quoted message. "Properly quoted" for your own
> specific purpose to get your point across. Not necessarily auto-quoted by
> some (un)intelligent algorithm.
>
>> So to the OE users out there, if you want to be able to quote posts
>> properly, upgrade to Thunderbird
>
> Oh geeze... I can't believe you laid out your agenda so blatantly.
> Whatever.
>
>> Then again, maybe I'm wrong on this whole thing, so reply to this post
>> to test it out.
>
> Okay.
>
> BTW, MS has dropped Outlook Express. You should keep more up to date.


maybe you should read the post and try some comprehension

Synapse Syndrome wrote:
> In fact, Microsoft seems to have dropped Windows Mail, as the team that made
> it, after introducing many new bugs that OE6 never had, was moved on to make
> Windows Live Mail.
>

..........to make even more bugs? <grin>


Sorry couldn't resist........

"propman" <> wrote in message
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> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>> In fact, Microsoft seems to have dropped Windows Mail, as the team that
>> made it, after introducing many new bugs that OE6 never had, was moved on
>> to make Windows Live Mail.
>>
>
> .........to make even more bugs? <grin>

Yep. MS has made bugs out of propman, synapse syndrome and will_s. Well,
okay, they were probably already bugs even before MS. LOL...

-Frank

"will_s" <> wrote in message
news:O$...
>
> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
> news: ...
>>> So google groups obviously makes posts in some strange format that
>>> screws up Outlook Express (and whatever other MS products are around)
>>> but that other news readers handle fine.
>>
>> There is no International Standard for quoting. How to quote and whether
>> to quote at all is fully the responsibility of the poster. Just 'cuz it's
>> not automatic doesn't relieve you of the responsibility of generating a
>> meaningful and properly quoted message. "Properly quoted" for your own
>> specific purpose to get your point across. Not necessarily auto-quoted by
>> some (un)intelligent algorithm.
>>
>>> So to the OE users out there, if you want to be able to quote posts
>>> properly, upgrade to Thunderbird
>>
>> Oh geeze... I can't believe you laid out your agenda so blatantly.
>> Whatever.
>>
>>> Then again, maybe I'm wrong on this whole thing, so reply to this post
>>> to test it out.
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>> BTW, MS has dropped Outlook Express. You should keep more up to date.
>
>
> maybe you should read the post and try some comprehension

There's no way I'm going to start using another newsgroup reader -- I'm
using Windows Mail, which is the native reader for Vista Home Premium, and
shall continue to do so. If you don't like how it lines up the carets (the
name for the signs you see at the beginning of each line), I'm sorry to hear
that, but that's tough. I don't know whether Outlook Express is available on
the other versions of Vista, but it isn't on this one. As for Google Groups,
well, I'm afraid that isn't my problem; sorry.

LesleyO

"Frankster" <> wrote in message
news:V8SdnXEcLpP-...
>
>>> In fact, Microsoft seems to have dropped Windows Mail, as the team that
>>> made it, after introducing many new bugs that OE6 never had, was moved
>>> on to make Windows Live Mail.
>>>
>>
>> .........to make even more bugs? <grin>
>
> Yep. MS has made bugs out of propman, synapse syndrome and will_s. Well,
> okay, they were probably already bugs even before MS. LOL...
>
> -Frank


What is this nonsense? Have you been taking lessons from your namesake?

ss.

In article <>,
LesleyO <> wrote:
>
>If you don't like how it lines up the carets (the
>name for the signs you see at the beginning of each line),


They're not carets. They're greater-than's. This ^ is a caret.

"LesleyO " <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "will_s" <> wrote in message
> news:O$...
>>
>> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
>> news: ...
>>>> So google groups obviously makes posts in some strange format that
>>>> screws up Outlook Express (and whatever other MS products are around)
>>>> but that other news readers handle fine.
>>>
>>> There is no International Standard for quoting. How to quote and whether
>>> to quote at all is fully the responsibility of the poster. Just 'cuz
>>> it's not automatic doesn't relieve you of the responsibility of
>>> generating a meaningful and properly quoted message. "Properly quoted"
>>> for your own specific purpose to get your point across. Not necessarily
>>> auto-quoted by some (un)intelligent algorithm.
>>>
>>>> So to the OE users out there, if you want to be able to quote posts
>>>> properly, upgrade to Thunderbird
>>>
>>> Oh geeze... I can't believe you laid out your agenda so blatantly.
>>> Whatever.
>>>
>>>> Then again, maybe I'm wrong on this whole thing, so reply to this post
>>>> to test it out.
>>>
>>> Okay.
>>>
>>> BTW, MS has dropped Outlook Express. You should keep more up to date.
>>
>>
>> maybe you should read the post and try some comprehension
>
> There's no way I'm going to start using another newsgroup reader -- I'm
> using Windows Mail, which is the native reader for Vista Home Premium, and
> shall continue to do so. If you don't like how it lines up the carets (the
> name for the signs you see at the beginning of each line), I'm sorry to
> hear that, but that's tough. I don't know whether Outlook Express is
> available on the other versions of Vista, but it isn't on this one. As for
> Google Groups, well, I'm afraid that isn't my problem; sorry.
>
> LesleyO

I wish some people in this group would grow up. There is a problem with the
way newsgroups messages are been displayed . I have no idea of why this is
but someone in another group is trying to figure it out so I quoted his
post. I am not here to suggest Thunderbird or any other reader. I just want
to know if any of the MSVP's know what is causing this and any suggestions
for fixing this.

Now the person who I quoted has no beef against Microsoft and has no hidden
agenda. What is happening is without the ">" it is making some newsgroup
threads unreadable

So if someone has a solution or a reason then is would be appreciated