Poor Security Measures Waste Time

Hi, My story is complex please read it all before posting as my literary
skills are lacking.
I was just your average guy with XP looking to upgrade so I got
the Vista Ultimate x32. I already knew that UAC while well meaning was
not effective, so I turned that off after about 5 minutes and 30 dialog
boxes. I also knew that Vista had the ability to download pretty much
anything even with the security center's updates set to OFF, via BITS
and wuaclt.exe. I saw evidence of this through Process Explorer. So I
thought to myself, OK I deal with it and turned both services off from
Process Explorer.
Then they came back. I also turned off the services in the
services.exe program, and they came back. They were not the only ones
using my PC for others gains, Windows Media Player (A program I do not
use) has several processes (wmpnscfg.exe and others not currently
visible in my procexp) which can take up as much as half of my
processor. I don't recall when exactly it happened but now when I try to
kill the windows update service I receive an ACCESS DENIED dialog. The
same thing is appearing everywhere: in the registry, while trying to
open or delete files (I checked via process explorer, they were not in
use), and pretty much anywhere you may need administrator access.
I ran many different spyware and virus scanners, lately being
WinPatrol and PC Tools Spyware Doctor. And Once a month I let Windows
Updates have its way with my computer for security updates and whatnot.
To my knowledge there is no virus or the like.
My first route to fix this problem was to go online, and see what
happened to other people. I found out about how Admin rights were not
admin rights, also I found out how to turn on the real admin
(active:yes). I thought that was it but even on the 'real' admin account
I face the same troubles, I repeat none of my problems are solved.
My first successful fight against this ACCESS DENIED was when someone
wrote command-line that opened up the registry under System-level
rights. Apparently if you do it in system it gets done. WOOT.
*****Now how can I elevate my Admin with real admin rights to
System-level rights or something similar?*****

Note: in my attempts I have made several folders with new rights:
usually Everyone, Admins and my Account name in a desperate attempt to
gain access, maybe the conflicting rights is to blame but I know not all
the places I have edited.
Note: My previous account from my XP appears in some rights lists as a
series of weird numbers, I originally thought the numbers were some
hacker but others have found it when an account becomes non-existent
such as mine.


--
Ricue

Turn on UAC, answer the prompts and you should now have access to those
restricted areas.
UAC works even when it is "turned off" in a limited fashion to protect
restricted areas.
This is only my guess as I've seen this happen to me.

"Ricue" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hi, My story is complex please read it all before posting as my literary
> skills are lacking.
> I was just your average guy with XP looking to upgrade so I got
> the Vista Ultimate x32. I already knew that UAC while well meaning was
> not effective, so I turned that off after about 5 minutes and 30 dialog
> boxes. I also knew that Vista had the ability to download pretty much
> anything even with the security center's updates set to OFF, via BITS
> and wuaclt.exe. I saw evidence of this through Process Explorer. So I
> thought to myself, OK I deal with it and turned both services off from
> Process Explorer.
> Then they came back. I also turned off the services in the
> services.exe program, and they came back. They were not the only ones
> using my PC for others gains, Windows Media Player (A program I do not
> use) has several processes (wmpnscfg.exe and others not currently
> visible in my procexp) which can take up as much as half of my
> processor. I don't recall when exactly it happened but now when I try to
> kill the windows update service I receive an ACCESS DENIED dialog. The
> same thing is appearing everywhere: in the registry, while trying to
> open or delete files (I checked via process explorer, they were not in
> use), and pretty much anywhere you may need administrator access.
> I ran many different spyware and virus scanners, lately being
> WinPatrol and PC Tools Spyware Doctor. And Once a month I let Windows
> Updates have its way with my computer for security updates and whatnot.
> To my knowledge there is no virus or the like.
> My first route to fix this problem was to go online, and see what
> happened to other people. I found out about how Admin rights were not
> admin rights, also I found out how to turn on the real admin
> (active:yes). I thought that was it but even on the 'real' admin account
> I face the same troubles, I repeat none of my problems are solved.
> My first successful fight against this ACCESS DENIED was when someone
> wrote command-line that opened up the registry under System-level
> rights. Apparently if you do it in system it gets done. WOOT.
> *****Now how can I elevate my Admin with real admin rights to
> System-level rights or something similar?*****
>
> Note: in my attempts I have made several folders with new rights:
> usually Everyone, Admins and my Account name in a desperate attempt to
> gain access, maybe the conflicting rights is to blame but I know not all
> the places I have edited.
> Note: My previous account from my XP appears in some rights lists as a
> series of weird numbers, I originally thought the numbers were some
> hacker but others have found it when an account becomes non-existent
> such as mine.
>
>
> --
> Ricue

You may be able to get a system level command prompt, but I don't know
about getting a login account with a system token.

"Ricue" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hi, My story is complex please read it all before posting as my
> literary
> skills are lacking.
> I was just your average guy with XP looking to upgrade so I got
> the Vista Ultimate x32. I already knew that UAC while well meaning was
> not effective, so I turned that off after about 5 minutes and 30
> dialog
> boxes. I also knew that Vista had the ability to download pretty much
> anything even with the security center's updates set to OFF, via BITS
> and wuaclt.exe. I saw evidence of this through Process Explorer. So I
> thought to myself, OK I deal with it and turned both services off from
> Process Explorer.
> Then they came back. I also turned off the services in the
> services.exe program, and they came back. They were not the only ones
> using my PC for others gains, Windows Media Player (A program I do not
> use) has several processes (wmpnscfg.exe and others not currently
> visible in my procexp) which can take up as much as half of my
> processor. I don't recall when exactly it happened but now when I try
> to
> kill the windows update service I receive an ACCESS DENIED dialog. The
> same thing is appearing everywhere: in the registry, while trying to
> open or delete files (I checked via process explorer, they were not in
> use), and pretty much anywhere you may need administrator access.
> I ran many different spyware and virus scanners, lately being
> WinPatrol and PC Tools Spyware Doctor. And Once a month I let Windows
> Updates have its way with my computer for security updates and
> whatnot.
> To my knowledge there is no virus or the like.
> My first route to fix this problem was to go online, and see what
> happened to other people. I found out about how Admin rights were not
> admin rights, also I found out how to turn on the real admin
> (active:yes). I thought that was it but even on the 'real' admin
> account
> I face the same troubles, I repeat none of my problems are solved.
> My first successful fight against this ACCESS DENIED was when someone
> wrote command-line that opened up the registry under System-level
> rights. Apparently if you do it in system it gets done. WOOT.
> *****Now how can I elevate my Admin with real admin rights to
> System-level rights or something similar?*****
>
> Note: in my attempts I have made several folders with new rights:
> usually Everyone, Admins and my Account name in a desperate attempt to
> gain access, maybe the conflicting rights is to blame but I know not
> all
> the places I have edited.
> Note: My previous account from my XP appears in some rights lists as a
> series of weird numbers, I originally thought the numbers were some
> hacker but others have found it when an account becomes non-existent
> such as mine.
>
>
> --
> Ricue

Since you don't seem to want security anyway:
http://www.offensive-security.com/mo...vistahack.html

"Ricue" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hi, My story is complex please read it all before posting as my
> literary
> skills are lacking.
> I was just your average guy with XP looking to upgrade so I got
> the Vista Ultimate x32. I already knew that UAC while well meaning was
> not effective, so I turned that off after about 5 minutes and 30
> dialog
> boxes. I also knew that Vista had the ability to download pretty much
> anything even with the security center's updates set to OFF, via BITS
> and wuaclt.exe. I saw evidence of this through Process Explorer. So I
> thought to myself, OK I deal with it and turned both services off from
> Process Explorer.
> Then they came back. I also turned off the services in the
> services.exe program, and they came back. They were not the only ones
> using my PC for others gains, Windows Media Player (A program I do not
> use) has several processes (wmpnscfg.exe and others not currently
> visible in my procexp) which can take up as much as half of my
> processor. I don't recall when exactly it happened but now when I try
> to
> kill the windows update service I receive an ACCESS DENIED dialog. The
> same thing is appearing everywhere: in the registry, while trying to
> open or delete files (I checked via process explorer, they were not in
> use), and pretty much anywhere you may need administrator access.
> I ran many different spyware and virus scanners, lately being
> WinPatrol and PC Tools Spyware Doctor. And Once a month I let Windows
> Updates have its way with my computer for security updates and
> whatnot.
> To my knowledge there is no virus or the like.
> My first route to fix this problem was to go online, and see what
> happened to other people. I found out about how Admin rights were not
> admin rights, also I found out how to turn on the real admin
> (active:yes). I thought that was it but even on the 'real' admin
> account
> I face the same troubles, I repeat none of my problems are solved.
> My first successful fight against this ACCESS DENIED was when someone
> wrote command-line that opened up the registry under System-level
> rights. Apparently if you do it in system it gets done. WOOT.
> *****Now how can I elevate my Admin with real admin rights to
> System-level rights or something similar?*****
>
> Note: in my attempts I have made several folders with new rights:
> usually Everyone, Admins and my Account name in a desperate attempt to
> gain access, maybe the conflicting rights is to blame but I know not
> all
> the places I have edited.
> Note: My previous account from my XP appears in some rights lists as a
> series of weird numbers, I originally thought the numbers were some
> hacker but others have found it when an account becomes non-existent
> such as mine.
>
>
> --
> Ricue

I especially liked this gem:

"... I already knew that UAC while well meaning was not effective, so I
turned that off after about 5 minutes ..."

His complex IT skills, came through, despite his claimed lack of
literary skills. )

"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam.> wrote in message
news:W5-...
> To OP - what is your public IP address. I'd like to block it on every
> system and network I manage.
>
> "FromTheRafters" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Since you don't seem to want security anyway:
>> http://www.offensive-security.com/mo...vistahack.html
>>
>> "Ricue" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> Hi, My story is complex please read it all before posting as my
>>> literary
>>> skills are lacking.
>>> I was just your average guy with XP looking to upgrade so I got
>>> the Vista Ultimate x32. I already knew that UAC while well meaning
>>> was
>>> not effective, so I turned that off after about 5 minutes and 30
>>> dialog
>>> boxes. I also knew that Vista had the ability to download pretty
>>> much
>>> anything even with the security center's updates set to OFF, via
>>> BITS
>>> and wuaclt.exe. I saw evidence of this through Process Explorer. So
>>> I
>>> thought to myself, OK I deal with it and turned both services off
>>> from
>>> Process Explorer.
>>> Then they came back. I also turned off the services in the
>>> services.exe program, and they came back. They were not the only
>>> ones
>>> using my PC for others gains, Windows Media Player (A program I do
>>> not
>>> use) has several processes (wmpnscfg.exe and others not currently
>>> visible in my procexp) which can take up as much as half of my
>>> processor. I don't recall when exactly it happened but now when I
>>> try to
>>> kill the windows update service I receive an ACCESS DENIED dialog.
>>> The
>>> same thing is appearing everywhere: in the registry, while trying to
>>> open or delete files (I checked via process explorer, they were not
>>> in
>>> use), and pretty much anywhere you may need administrator access.
>>> I ran many different spyware and virus scanners, lately being
>>> WinPatrol and PC Tools Spyware Doctor. And Once a month I let
>>> Windows
>>> Updates have its way with my computer for security updates and
>>> whatnot.
>>> To my knowledge there is no virus or the like.
>>> My first route to fix this problem was to go online, and see what
>>> happened to other people. I found out about how Admin rights were
>>> not
>>> admin rights, also I found out how to turn on the real admin
>>> (active:yes). I thought that was it but even on the 'real' admin
>>> account
>>> I face the same troubles, I repeat none of my problems are solved.
>>> My first successful fight against this ACCESS DENIED was when
>>> someone
>>> wrote command-line that opened up the registry under System-level
>>> rights. Apparently if you do it in system it gets done. WOOT.
>>> *****Now how can I elevate my Admin with real admin rights to
>>> System-level rights or something similar?*****
>>>
>>> Note: in my attempts I have made several folders with new rights:
>>> usually Everyone, Admins and my Account name in a desperate attempt
>>> to
>>> gain access, maybe the conflicting rights is to blame but I know not
>>> all
>>> the places I have edited.
>>> Note: My previous account from my XP appears in some rights lists as
>>> a
>>> series of weird numbers, I originally thought the numbers were some
>>> hacker but others have found it when an account becomes non-existent
>>> such as mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ricue
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Thanks guys, problem solved.


--
Ricue