Problem with Messenger Live beta and Disk Defragmenter

I have a problem on three of my systems, all running Windows XP, the problem
only accurs after installing Windows Messenger Live beta.
The problem is after installing Windows Messenger Live beta and then running
a full checkdisk when the system starts (in that order), i then have a
problem with defragmenting my system drives on all three of my systems, the
disk defragmenter tells me that it can't defragment some files on the drive
and to look at the list of files in the report but there is never any files
listed in the report.
The options i choose for the chechdisk are: Automatically fix file system
errors and Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors, the checkdisk never
finds any problems but after running checkdisk i have this issue with
defragmenting my system drives, and as i said this only happens after
installing Windows Messenger Live beta, even when i uninstall Windows
Messenger Live beta, bare in mind this issue only accured after installing
Windows Messenger Live beta.
Is anyone else having this problem or does anyone know how to fix it without
doing a fresh install of Windows.

Thanks!

In news:873F4A61-2DA0-4735-B883-,
d.chatten had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> I have a problem on three of my systems, all running Windows XP, the
> problem only accurs after installing Windows Messenger Live beta.
> The problem is after installing Windows Messenger Live beta and then
> running a full checkdisk when the system starts (in that order), i
> then have a problem with defragmenting my system drives on all three
> of my systems, the disk defragmenter tells me that it can't
> defragment some files on the drive and to look at the list of files
> in the report but there is never any files listed in the report.
> The options i choose for the chechdisk are: Automatically fix file
> system errors and Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors, the
> checkdisk never finds any problems but after running checkdisk i have
> this issue with defragmenting my system drives, and as i said this
> only happens after installing Windows Messenger Live beta, even when
> i uninstall Windows Messenger Live beta, bare in mind this issue only
> accured after installing Windows Messenger Live beta.
> Is anyone else having this problem or does anyone know how to fix it
> without doing a fresh install of Windows.
>
> Thanks!

Have you tried a third party defragmentation tool? I know that this
shouldn't be required but you should expect such silliness with beta
products (I'd use the Connect interface to bug it) and in the mean time look
for either freeware or inexpensive ones. I personally use O&O as my defrag
solution or I use the one that came with System Mechanic.

Alas I didn't keep track...

*looks*

Nah, it doesn't seem to be showing up?

It was in "%UserProfile%\Application Data\Microsoft\MSN Messenger\***" if I
recall but I deleted it.

There was a data file that was being reported as something huge like 8 GB
which, it wasn't. That would mess up a defrag potentially...

Hmm... Try this:

Chkdsk, the reality:
http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general/chkdsk.html

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes

I have allready tried all of the options for chkdsk that are listed in the
link you kindly provided, also the problem only decided to show up after
performing a full chkdsk.
The file that i think you are talking about resides in the "C:\Documents and
Settings\User\Local Settings\Aplication Data\Microsoft\Messenger\Login@Name",
the problem is i have uninstalled both Windows Messenger and Windows
Messenger Live beta, i have also deleted all files and folders relating to
both of them but i still have a problem when i try defrag my system drive.
What i did notice when the chkdsk is running was an extra check that was
never there before "Usn Journal" and i think this may be the problem but i
have no idea haw to solve it.

Thanks!

"Galen" wrote:

> In news:873F4A61-2DA0-4735-B883-,
> d.chatten had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> > I have a problem on three of my systems, all running Windows XP, the
> > problem only accurs after installing Windows Messenger Live beta.
> > The problem is after installing Windows Messenger Live beta and then
> > running a full checkdisk when the system starts (in that order), i
> > then have a problem with defragmenting my system drives on all three
> > of my systems, the disk defragmenter tells me that it can't
> > defragment some files on the drive and to look at the list of files
> > in the report but there is never any files listed in the report.
> > The options i choose for the chechdisk are: Automatically fix file
> > system errors and Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors, the
> > checkdisk never finds any problems but after running checkdisk i have
> > this issue with defragmenting my system drives, and as i said this
> > only happens after installing Windows Messenger Live beta, even when
> > i uninstall Windows Messenger Live beta, bare in mind this issue only
> > accured after installing Windows Messenger Live beta.
> > Is anyone else having this problem or does anyone know how to fix it
> > without doing a fresh install of Windows.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Have you tried a third party defragmentation tool? I know that this
> shouldn't be required but you should expect such silliness with beta
> products (I'd use the Connect interface to bug it) and in the mean time look
> for either freeware or inexpensive ones. I personally use O&O as my defrag
> solution or I use the one that came with System Mechanic.
>
> Alas I didn't keep track...
>
> *looks*
>
> Nah, it doesn't seem to be showing up?
>
> It was in "%UserProfile%\Application Data\Microsoft\MSN Messenger\***" if I
> recall but I deleted it.
>
> There was a data file that was being reported as something huge like 8 GB
> which, it wasn't. That would mess up a defrag potentially...
>
> Hmm... Try this:
>
> Chkdsk, the reality:
> http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general/chkdsk.html
>
> --
> Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://kgiii.info/
>
> "At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
> declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
> whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes
>
>
>

In news:02881272-C02D-4B99-AF21-,
d.chatten had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> I have allready tried all of the options for chkdsk that are listed
> in the link you kindly provided, also the problem only decided to
> show up after performing a full chkdsk.
> The file that i think you are talking about resides in the
> "C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Aplication
> Data\Microsoft\Messenger\Login@Name", the problem is i have
> uninstalled both Windows Messenger and Windows Messenger Live beta, i
> have also deleted all files and folders relating to both of them but
> i still have a problem when i try defrag my system drive. What i did
> notice when the chkdsk is running was an extra check that was never
> there before "Usn Journal" and i think this may be the problem but i
> have no idea haw to solve it.
>
> Thanks!

I'd download a trial of this:

O&O Defrag V8.0 Professional:
http://www.oo-software.com/en/produc...efrag/pro.html

You can install it and give it a defrag and see if that fixes it. What do
your defrag log contents say?

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes

Sorry for the delay, but i have now changed from Windows XP x86 to Windows XP
x64 and i haven't had a chance to test messenger live with x64, i give the
defrag tool that you recomended a try and there was no errors but there was a
file listed in the log that allways had 86% fragmentation, the file and path
that was 86% fragmented was "C:\$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J:$DATA" but i can't and
don't know how to find it, i was still getting error with the Windows defrag
tool even after using O&O.

Thanks!

"Galen" wrote:

> In news:02881272-C02D-4B99-AF21-,
> d.chatten had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> > I have allready tried all of the options for chkdsk that are listed
> > in the link you kindly provided, also the problem only decided to
> > show up after performing a full chkdsk.
> > The file that i think you are talking about resides in the
> > "C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Aplication
> > Data\Microsoft\Messenger\Login@Name", the problem is i have
> > uninstalled both Windows Messenger and Windows Messenger Live beta, i
> > have also deleted all files and folders relating to both of them but
> > i still have a problem when i try defrag my system drive. What i did
> > notice when the chkdsk is running was an extra check that was never
> > there before "Usn Journal" and i think this may be the problem but i
> > have no idea haw to solve it.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> I'd download a trial of this:
>
> O&O Defrag V8.0 Professional:
> http://www.oo-software.com/en/produc...efrag/pro.html
>
> You can install it and give it a defrag and see if that fixes it. What do
> your defrag log contents say?
>
> --
> Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://kgiii.info/
>
> "At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
> declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
> whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes
>
>
>

Well i have just tested Messenger Live beta on Windows XP Professional x64
Edition and i have the same issue as with Windows XP Pro/Home x86.
Does anyone know if a fixed version of Messenger Live beta is going to be
released?

"d.chatten" wrote:

> Sorry for the delay, but i have now changed from Windows XP x86 to Windows XP
> x64 and i haven't had a chance to test messenger live with x64, i give the
> defrag tool that you recomended a try and there was no errors but there was a
> file listed in the log that allways had 86% fragmentation, the file and path
> that was 86% fragmented was "C:\$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J:$DATA" but i can't and
> don't know how to find it, i was still getting error with the Windows defrag
> tool even after using O&O.
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Galen" wrote:
>
> > In news:02881272-C02D-4B99-AF21-,
> > d.chatten had this to say:
> >
> > My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> >
> > > I have allready tried all of the options for chkdsk that are listed
> > > in the link you kindly provided, also the problem only decided to
> > > show up after performing a full chkdsk.
> > > The file that i think you are talking about resides in the
> > > "C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Aplication
> > > Data\Microsoft\Messenger\Login@Name", the problem is i have
> > > uninstalled both Windows Messenger and Windows Messenger Live beta, i
> > > have also deleted all files and folders relating to both of them but
> > > i still have a problem when i try defrag my system drive. What i did
> > > notice when the chkdsk is running was an extra check that was never
> > > there before "Usn Journal" and i think this may be the problem but i
> > > have no idea haw to solve it.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> > I'd download a trial of this:
> >
> > O&O Defrag V8.0 Professional:
> > http://www.oo-software.com/en/produc...efrag/pro.html
> >
> > You can install it and give it a defrag and see if that fixes it. What do
> > your defrag log contents say?
> >
> > --
> > Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
> > http://dts-l.org/
> > http://kgiii.info/
> >
> > "At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
> > declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
> > whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes
> >
> >
> >

In news:E5ECE853-9C1D-4AE4-BF69-,
d.chatten had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Well i have just tested Messenger Live beta on Windows XP
> Professional x64 Edition and i have the same issue as with Windows XP
> Pro/Home x86.
> Does anyone know if a fixed version of Messenger Live beta is going
> to be released?
>
> "d.chatten" wrote:

Nope but do you, me, and all a favor. You have a reproducible bug now so
report it if you can do so.

Else it MAY carry on into the release.

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes