Problems capturing some OTA ATSC in XPMCE

Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning channel 10.1
produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I get no
signal.
I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
available.
I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250 and
current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way as the
Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the available
ATSC signals flawlessly.

looks similar to http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860

if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a thread on
thegreenbutton.com as well as here.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc <>
wrote:

>Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning channel 10.1
>produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I get no
>signal.
>I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
>I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
>available.
>I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250 and
>current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way as the
>Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the available
>ATSC signals flawlessly.
Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com

"Barb Bowman" wrote:

> looks similar to http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
>
> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a thread on
> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc <>
> wrote:
>
> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning channel 10.1
> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I get no
> >signal.
> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
> >available.
> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250 and
> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way as the
> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the available
> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> .
> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem. The link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues and in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but did not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to some free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still compatible to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem is with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.

sorry, it seemed similar in the inability to have a consistent ability to tune.

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:24:01 -0800, snjmc <>
wrote:

>The link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues and in other ways did not fit my situation.
Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com

What zip code are you in?

"snjmc" <> wrote in message
news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
>
>
> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>
>> looks similar to
>> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
>>
>> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a
>> thread on
>> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
>> <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning channel
>> >10.1
>> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I get
>> >no
>> >signal.
>> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
>> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
>> >available.
>> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250 and
>> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way as
>> >the
>> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the
>> >available
>> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
>> Barb Bowman
>> MS-MVP
>> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
>> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>> .
>> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem. The
>> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues and
>> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but did
>> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to some
>> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still compatible
>> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the
>> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem is
>> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.

"Curious" wrote:

> What zip code are you in?
>
> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
> news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
> >
> >
> > "Barb Bowman" wrote:
> >
> >> looks similar to
> >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
> >>
> >> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a
> >> thread on
> >> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
> >> <>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning channel
> >> >10.1
> >> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I get
> >> >no
> >> >signal.
> >> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
> >> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
> >> >available.
> >> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250 and
> >> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way as
> >> >the
> >> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the
> >> >available
> >> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
> >> Barb Bowman
> >> MS-MVP
> >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
> >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> >> .
> >> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem. The
> >> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues and
> >> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but did
> >> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to some
> >> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still compatible
> >> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the
> >> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem is
> >> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.
>
> .
> 97540

I think your symptoms are caused by the fact that both 47-1 and 10-1 are CBS
affiliates and 12-1 and 21-1 are both ABC affiliates. You possibly need to
delete one of the CBS channels and one of the ABC channels from your guide.

"snjmc" <> wrote in message
news:FB6B4511-B57B-4E6D-BEBC-...
>
>
> "Curious" wrote:
>
>> What zip code are you in?
>>
>> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
>> news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>> >
>> >> looks similar to
>> >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
>> >>
>> >> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a
>> >> thread on
>> >> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
>> >> <>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning
>> >> >channel
>> >> >10.1
>> >> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I
>> >> >get
>> >> >no
>> >> >signal.
>> >> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
>> >> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
>> >> >available.
>> >> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250
>> >> >and
>> >> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way
>> >> >as
>> >> >the
>> >> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the
>> >> >available
>> >> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
>> >> Barb Bowman
>> >> MS-MVP
>> >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
>> >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>> >> .
>> >> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem.
>> >> The
>> >> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues
>> >> and
>> >> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but
>> >> did
>> >> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to
>> >> some
>> >> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still
>> >> compatible
>> >> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the
>> >> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem
>> >> is
>> >> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.
>>
>> .
>> 97540

The only reason that 47-1 and 21-1 are in the guide is because I discovered,
by trial and error, that I was only able to receive CBS and ABC if I first
selected the 47-1 in the 21-1 channels. It's as though there is a signal
compliment that is missing in, say, 10-1 and is present in 47-1. Furthermore,
that compliment has to be passed to the tuner before thecomplement contained
in 10-1. I know this sounds weird, but I have had other, local, techs say
this is plausible. It's just no one seems to have a fix for it. However, I
follow your reasoning and delete 47-1 and see what happens.

"Curious" wrote:

> I think your symptoms are caused by the fact that both 47-1 and 10-1 are CBS
> affiliates and 12-1 and 21-1 are both ABC affiliates. You possibly need to
> delete one of the CBS channels and one of the ABC channels from your guide.
>
> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
> news:FB6B4511-B57B-4E6D-BEBC-...
> >
> >
> > "Curious" wrote:
> >
> >> What zip code are you in?
> >>
> >> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
> >> news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Barb Bowman" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> looks similar to
> >> >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
> >> >>
> >> >> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a
> >> >> thread on
> >> >> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
> >> >> <>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning
> >> >> >channel
> >> >> >10.1
> >> >> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I
> >> >> >get
> >> >> >no
> >> >> >signal.
> >> >> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
> >> >> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
> >> >> >available.
> >> >> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way
> >> >> >as
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the
> >> >> >available
> >> >> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
> >> >> Barb Bowman
> >> >> MS-MVP
> >> >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
> >> >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> >> >> .
> >> >> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem.
> >> >> The
> >> >> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues
> >> >> and
> >> >> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but
> >> >> did
> >> >> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to
> >> >> some
> >> >> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still
> >> >> compatible
> >> >> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the
> >> >> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem
> >> >> is
> >> >> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.
> >>
> >> .
> >> 97540
>
> .
>

So I deleted 21-1 (I chose ABC rather than CBS) from the MCE Guide. The
result was as I had predicted. I was now not able to receive ABC at all,
while previously I was able to receive ABC by doing the two-step: 21-1, then
12-1. ABC and CBS run the lowest input power, locally. However, I have no
difficulty receiving them on my Sony Bravia, only on my computer. Same
antenna.

"snjmc" wrote:

> The only reason that 47-1 and 21-1 are in the guide is because I discovered,
> by trial and error, that I was only able to receive CBS and ABC if I first
> selected the 47-1 in the 21-1 channels. It's as though there is a signal
> compliment that is missing in, say, 10-1 and is present in 47-1. Furthermore,
> that compliment has to be passed to the tuner before thecomplement contained
> in 10-1. I know this sounds weird, but I have had other, local, techs say
> this is plausible. It's just no one seems to have a fix for it. However, I
> follow your reasoning and delete 47-1 and see what happens.
>
> "Curious" wrote:
>
> > I think your symptoms are caused by the fact that both 47-1 and 10-1 are CBS
> > affiliates and 12-1 and 21-1 are both ABC affiliates. You possibly need to
> > delete one of the CBS channels and one of the ABC channels from your guide.
> >
> > "snjmc" <> wrote in message
> > news:FB6B4511-B57B-4E6D-BEBC-...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Curious" wrote:
> > >
> > >> What zip code are you in?
> > >>
> > >> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
> > >> news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Barb Bowman" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> looks similar to
> > >> >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
> > >> >>
> > >> >> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start a
> > >> >> thread on
> > >> >> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
> > >> >> <>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning
> > >> >> >channel
> > >> >> >10.1
> > >> >> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1 first I
> > >> >> >get
> > >> >> >no
> > >> >> >signal.
> > >> >> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel 12.1.
> > >> >> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC signals
> > >> >> >available.
> > >> >> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge 2250
> > >> >> >and
> > >> >> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the same way
> > >> >> >as
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all the
> > >> >> >available
> > >> >> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
> > >> >> Barb Bowman
> > >> >> MS-MVP
> > >> >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
> > >> >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> > >> >> .
> > >> >> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my problem.
> > >> >> The
> > >> >> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM issues
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages, but
> > >> >> did
> > >> >> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me to
> > >> >> some
> > >> >> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still
> > >> >> compatible
> > >> >> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit the
> > >> >> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my problem
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.
> > >>
> > >> .
> > >> 97540
> >
> > .
> >

Have you tried deleting both then rebooting and adding one back in manually?

"snjmc" <> wrote in message
news:7B2273AD-B7CB-4AC0-AC2C-...
> So I deleted 21-1 (I chose ABC rather than CBS) from the MCE Guide. The
> result was as I had predicted. I was now not able to receive ABC at all,
> while previously I was able to receive ABC by doing the two-step: 21-1,
> then
> 12-1. ABC and CBS run the lowest input power, locally. However, I have no
> difficulty receiving them on my Sony Bravia, only on my computer. Same
> antenna.
>
> "snjmc" wrote:
>
>> The only reason that 47-1 and 21-1 are in the guide is because I
>> discovered,
>> by trial and error, that I was only able to receive CBS and ABC if I
>> first
>> selected the 47-1 in the 21-1 channels. It's as though there is a signal
>> compliment that is missing in, say, 10-1 and is present in 47-1.
>> Furthermore,
>> that compliment has to be passed to the tuner before thecomplement
>> contained
>> in 10-1. I know this sounds weird, but I have had other, local, techs say
>> this is plausible. It's just no one seems to have a fix for it. However,
>> I
>> follow your reasoning and delete 47-1 and see what happens.
>>
>> "Curious" wrote:
>>
>> > I think your symptoms are caused by the fact that both 47-1 and 10-1
>> > are CBS
>> > affiliates and 12-1 and 21-1 are both ABC affiliates. You possibly
>> > need to
>> > delete one of the CBS channels and one of the ABC channels from your
>> > guide.
>> >
>> > "snjmc" <> wrote in message
>> > news:FB6B4511-B57B-4E6D-BEBC-...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Curious" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> What zip code are you in?
>> > >>
>> > >> "snjmc" <> wrote in message
>> > >> news:106D93B1-D420-4B41-97B6-...
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> looks similar to
>> > >> >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...60.aspx#389860
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> if you are using the most recent drivers, you might want to start
>> > >> >> a
>> > >> >> thread on
>> > >> >> thegreenbutton.com as well as here.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800, snjmc
>> > >> >> <>
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >Selecting Channel 47.1, getting a no signal message, then tuning
>> > >> >> >channel
>> > >> >> >10.1
>> > >> >> >produces an almost always good picture, but if I select 10.1
>> > >> >> >first I
>> > >> >> >get
>> > >> >> >no
>> > >> >> >signal.
>> > >> >> >I get the same result by turning channel 21.1, then channel
>> > >> >> >12.1.
>> > >> >> >I am no issues such as this with any of the other 3 OTA ATSC
>> > >> >> >signals
>> > >> >> >available.
>> > >> >> >I removed my Vbox 164e and drivers and installed the Hauppauge
>> > >> >> >2250
>> > >> >> >and
>> > >> >> >current drivers. In Media Center the Hauppauge performed the
>> > >> >> >same way
>> > >> >> >as
>> > >> >> >the
>> > >> >> >Vbox, however the Hauppauge WinTV7 software connected with all
>> > >> >> >the
>> > >> >> >available
>> > >> >> >ATSC signals flawlessly.
>> > >> >> Barb Bowman
>> > >> >> MS-MVP
>> > >> >> http://www.digitalmediaphile.com
>> > >> >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>> > >> >> .
>> > >> >> I have posted on Green Button a more wordy description of my
>> > >> >> problem.
>> > >> >> The
>> > >> >> link you provided was not helpful in that it dealt with QUAM
>> > >> >> issues
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> in other ways did not fit my situation. I visited your webpages,
>> > >> >> but
>> > >> >> did
>> > >> >> not see any solution to my problem. Perhaps you could direct me
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> some
>> > >> >> free software that would temporarily replace XP MCE, but still
>> > >> >> compatible
>> > >> >> to the Vbox 164e. If such replacement software does not exhibit
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> problem I'm having, they would give me more indication that my
>> > >> >> problem
>> > >> >> is
>> > >> >> with XP MCE. If I felt strongly enough, I might reinstall.
>> > >>
>> > >> .
>> > >> 97540
>> >
>> > .
>> >