A question about live mail Startup issue.

I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and also
to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small envelope
icon in the information area. The first couple of times at startup it would
run minimized but would not hide (to the information area) but then after
that it started hiding just fine too. Now it's back to starting up and
minimizing but not hiding again. Anyone have a clue as to what might be
going on?

"gkdiamond" <> wrote in message news:...
> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and also
> to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small envelope
> icon in the information area.

> The first couple of times at startup it would run minimized
> but would not hide (to the information area)

> but then after that it started hiding just fine too.


I suspect that is anomalous. I always use Run: minimized in my shortcut
because I hate the way WLMail launches Maximized otherwise.

After seeing your post I started using the Hide option too
but it has never hidden (fortunately for me because
I prefer to just press Alt-Tab after it has finished loading
to see it open in my preferred size and position.)
The only difference that I have noticed as a result of
checking the Hide option is getting a message from
the Notification area about it, which curiously doesn't
appear to be optional. Nevertheless, that message
is slightly useful as a signal for me to press Alt-Tab.
Since I almost never minimize all my WLMail windows
I might keep the option for that one feature;
otherwise I will stop using it after this experiment ends.

Hmm... in fact, it looks as if when you have multiple
windows it doesn't hide the other Taskbar icons in any case
but does give you the message about hiding itself
to the Notification area when you minimize the main
application window. Who knew? Well then, that's
even better for me because I very seldom minimize
the WLMail main application window. ; )


> Now it's back to starting up and minimizing but not hiding again.

> Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on?


Does it hide to the Notification area when you actually
minimize all WLMail windows? That's all I would have
expected it to do. I suspect the opening case represents
a race condition about whether WLMail is going to be notified
about whether its window is going to be minimized
and I suspect it has to be notified in order for the feature
to have effect. E.g. otherwise at startup it would have
to notice that its window was already minimized and
then do whatever extra it would have to do to make
it hidden too.

Therefore, in order to guarantee that you get your
WLMail window hidden to the Notification area upon
startup, I would try launching it from a script,
which subsequently does the necessary SendKeys
equivalent of Alt-Space,n on the newly opened window.
Then you could tweak your script by putting in whatever
minimal pause was necessary between launching
WLMail and issuing your Minimize command to its window.


Good luck

Robert Aldwinckle
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It's only on startup that it doesn't hide after that it will hide every time
I minimize the window.

You get that message that you are talking about from the Notification area
only the first time
after you select the option to hide the window, then it doesn't show
anymore.

It was working before so I know it will work but if I or someone else can't
figure out what's
going on I may have to do something like a script. I'm thinking it has
something to do with
a program I installed or something I changed or the order in which things
are being done.

Thanks for you help and the info.



"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
>> also
>> to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
>> envelope
>> icon in the information area.
>
>> The first couple of times at startup it would run minimized
>> but would not hide (to the information area)
>
>> but then after that it started hiding just fine too.
>
>
> I suspect that is anomalous. I always use Run: minimized in my shortcut
> because I hate the way WLMail launches Maximized otherwise.
>
> After seeing your post I started using the Hide option too
> but it has never hidden (fortunately for me because
> I prefer to just press Alt-Tab after it has finished loading
> to see it open in my preferred size and position.)
> The only difference that I have noticed as a result of
> checking the Hide option is getting a message from
> the Notification area about it, which curiously doesn't
> appear to be optional. Nevertheless, that message
> is slightly useful as a signal for me to press Alt-Tab.
> Since I almost never minimize all my WLMail windows
> I might keep the option for that one feature;
> otherwise I will stop using it after this experiment ends.
>
> Hmm... in fact, it looks as if when you have multiple
> windows it doesn't hide the other Taskbar icons in any case
> but does give you the message about hiding itself
> to the Notification area when you minimize the main
> application window. Who knew? Well then, that's
> even better for me because I very seldom minimize
> the WLMail main application window. ; )
>
>
>> Now it's back to starting up and minimizing but not hiding again.
>
>> Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on?
>
>
> Does it hide to the Notification area when you actually
> minimize all WLMail windows? That's all I would have
> expected it to do. I suspect the opening case represents
> a race condition about whether WLMail is going to be notified
> about whether its window is going to be minimized
> and I suspect it has to be notified in order for the feature
> to have effect. E.g. otherwise at startup it would have
> to notice that its window was already minimized and
> then do whatever extra it would have to do to make
> it hidden too.
>
> Therefore, in order to guarantee that you get your
> WLMail window hidden to the Notification area upon
> startup, I would try launching it from a script,
> which subsequently does the necessary SendKeys
> equivalent of Alt-Space,n on the newly opened window.
> Then you could tweak your script by putting in whatever
> minimal pause was necessary between launching
> WLMail and issuing your Minimize command to its window.
>
>
> Good luck
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>

I forgot to say, why not just resize your window so that it opens up
whatever size you want on startup?

"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
>> also
>> to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
>> envelope
>> icon in the information area.
>
>> The first couple of times at startup it would run minimized
>> but would not hide (to the information area)
>
>> but then after that it started hiding just fine too.
>
>
> I suspect that is anomalous. I always use Run: minimized in my shortcut
> because I hate the way WLMail launches Maximized otherwise.
>
> After seeing your post I started using the Hide option too
> but it has never hidden (fortunately for me because
> I prefer to just press Alt-Tab after it has finished loading
> to see it open in my preferred size and position.)
> The only difference that I have noticed as a result of
> checking the Hide option is getting a message from
> the Notification area about it, which curiously doesn't
> appear to be optional. Nevertheless, that message
> is slightly useful as a signal for me to press Alt-Tab.
> Since I almost never minimize all my WLMail windows
> I might keep the option for that one feature;
> otherwise I will stop using it after this experiment ends.
>
> Hmm... in fact, it looks as if when you have multiple
> windows it doesn't hide the other Taskbar icons in any case
> but does give you the message about hiding itself
> to the Notification area when you minimize the main
> application window. Who knew? Well then, that's
> even better for me because I very seldom minimize
> the WLMail main application window. ; )
>
>
>> Now it's back to starting up and minimizing but not hiding again.
>
>> Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on?
>
>
> Does it hide to the Notification area when you actually
> minimize all WLMail windows? That's all I would have
> expected it to do. I suspect the opening case represents
> a race condition about whether WLMail is going to be notified
> about whether its window is going to be minimized
> and I suspect it has to be notified in order for the feature
> to have effect. E.g. otherwise at startup it would have
> to notice that its window was already minimized and
> then do whatever extra it would have to do to make
> it hidden too.
>
> Therefore, in order to guarantee that you get your
> WLMail window hidden to the Notification area upon
> startup, I would try launching it from a script,
> which subsequently does the necessary SendKeys
> equivalent of Alt-Space,n on the newly opened window.
> Then you could tweak your script by putting in whatever
> minimal pause was necessary between launching
> WLMail and issuing your Minimize command to its window.
>
>
> Good luck
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>

"gkdiamond" <> wrote in message news:#...
> I forgot to say, why not just resize your window so that it opens up
> whatever size you want on startup?


The point is that WLMail *ignores* the request to open the
window in normal mode, maximizing it, unless I request the
window to open minimized after which a Restore will maintain
my preferred size and position.


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>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
>>> also
>>> to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
>>> envelope
>>> icon in the information area.
>>
>>> The first couple of times at startup it would run minimized
>>> but would not hide (to the information area)
>>
>>> but then after that it started hiding just fine too.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that is anomalous. I always use Run: minimized in my shortcut
>> because I hate the way WLMail launches Maximized otherwise.

....

On startup, mine will open in normal mode and to whatever size and position
I have it set for.



"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
news:#...
>
> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> I forgot to say, why not just resize your window so that it opens up
>> whatever size you want on startup?
>
>
> The point is that WLMail *ignores* the request to open the
> window in normal mode, maximizing it, unless I request the
> window to open minimized after which a Restore will maintain
> my preferred size and position.
>
>
> ---
>
>
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
>>>> also
>>>> to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
>>>> envelope
>>>> icon in the information area.
>>>
>>>> The first couple of times at startup it would run minimized
>>>> but would not hide (to the information area)
>>>
>>>> but then after that it started hiding just fine too.
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that is anomalous. I always use Run: minimized in my shortcut
>>> because I hate the way WLMail launches Maximized otherwise.
>
> ...
>
>
>

"gkdiamond" <> wrote in message news:...
> On startup, mine will open in normal mode
> and to whatever size and position I have it set for.


Then I have "feechur" I would be glad to be without
especially for message windows because they do it too.
It doesn't have to do with the size of window, unless
they have to be less than half the screen to avoid it.
That would be too small to be useful for me.
But Maximized is useless to me too because I want to use
a message window and see most of the message list
at the same time.


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Try this and see if it makes any difference - Set WL Mail to open to a
Normal window. When it opens maximized, click on the Restore Down button and
then adjust the window to the size that you want by putting your mouse
pointer in one of the corners and diagonally dragging it to whatever size
you want. Close the window and restart to see if it works.


"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
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> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
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>> On startup, mine will open in normal mode
>> and to whatever size and position I have it set for.
>
>
> Then I have "feechur" I would be glad to be without
> especially for message windows because they do it too.
> It doesn't have to do with the size of window, unless
> they have to be less than half the screen to avoid it.
> That would be too small to be useful for me.
> But Maximized is useless to me too because I want to use
> a message window and see most of the message list
> at the same time.
>
>
> ---
>

Here's an update for anyone interested. I discovered by accident that if I
open Windows Task Manager (after the Desktop appears) before or while
Windows Live Mail is initializing then Windows Live Mail will hide after it
minimizes. If I close the Task Manager while Live Mail is initializing then
it will also hide after minimizing but if I close Task Manager after Live
Mail minimizes then it will not hide [the first time]. Of course, I do not
want to open the task manager every time I startup my computer, that kind of
defeats the purpose.

"gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
> also to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
> envelope icon in the information area. The first couple of times at
> startup it would run minimized but would not hide (to the information
> area) but then after that it started hiding just fine too. Now it's back
> to starting up and minimizing but not hiding again. Anyone have a clue as
> to what might be going on?

Why are you shutting the computer off?
Why don't you just put the computer into standby?
--
Ron Sommer
MS MVP-Mail

"gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
news:#...
> Here's an update for anyone interested. I discovered by accident that if I
> open Windows Task Manager (after the Desktop appears) before or while
> Windows Live Mail is initializing then Windows Live Mail will hide after
> it minimizes. If I close the Task Manager while Live Mail is initializing
> then it will also hide after minimizing but if I close Task Manager after
> Live Mail minimizes then it will not hide [the first time]. Of course, I
> do not want to open the task manager every time I startup my computer,
> that kind of defeats the purpose.
>
> "gkdiamond" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows Live Mail setup to startup at boot and run minimized and
>> also to hide the window when minimized so that it only shows as a small
>> envelope icon in the information area. The first couple of times at
>> startup it would run minimized but would not hide (to the information
>> area) but then after that it started hiding just fine too. Now it's back
>> to starting up and minimizing but not hiding again. Anyone have a clue as
>> to what might be going on?
>