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Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
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      08-11-2009
Hello BlueIT,

Slow startups often belong to DNS configuration. That is not belonging to
the Os version of the DC, adding 2008 there will not help. So an ipconfig
/all from the problem machines can help to exclude this. Also a small overview
about your DNS setup and configuration.

Make sure AD sites and services reflect the physical structure with the
subnets/sites and the DCs belonging to them.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Thanks for the help in advance.
>
> I have a flat domain with six domain controllers. Two domain
> controllers each are designated for three sites. In one of the sites,
> all the domain controllers have been converted to 2008. The remaining
> are still 2003 as well as the site containing the FSMO roles.
>
> My issues is as follows....
>
> The site the contains the two 2008 domain controllers works great.
> Machine boot/startup is par so is AD querys for 2008 server, 2008
> member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. The sites with 2003 as
> domain controllers have something completely opposite for 2008
> servers, 2008 member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. Slow
> Windows startup, slow login and AD querys horribly slow. Server
> running 2003 are ideal at these sites. I was told that this could be
> the results of not having a 2008 domain controller in that specific
> site. There are no startup script through group policy in place
> either. I can't seem to find any evidence behind this or a solution.
> I have taken the liberty on introducting a 2008 domain controller to a
> site that only had 2003 domain controllers, but my fear is I might be
> chasing something that might not be true.
>



 
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Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
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      10-21-2009

Hello Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS],

Copied from the email:

I passed IP thru DHCP reservations and DNS is being passed as well with this
method. I did verify that sites and services do reflect subnets accordingly,
but don't understand the slowness. Any additional input welcomed.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Hello BlueIT,
>
> Slow startups often belong to DNS configuration. That is not belonging
> to the Os version of the DC, adding 2008 there will not help. So an
> ipconfig /all from the problem machines can help to exclude this. Also
> a small overview about your DNS setup and configuration.
>
> Make sure AD sites and services reflect the physical structure with
> the subnets/sites and the DCs belonging to them.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>> Thanks for the help in advance.
>>
>> I have a flat domain with six domain controllers. Two domain
>> controllers each are designated for three sites. In one of the
>> sites, all the domain controllers have been converted to 2008. The
>> remaining are still 2003 as well as the site containing the FSMO
>> roles.
>>
>> My issues is as follows....
>>
>> The site the contains the two 2008 domain controllers works great.
>> Machine boot/startup is par so is AD querys for 2008 server, 2008
>> member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. The sites with 2003 as
>> domain controllers have something completely opposite for 2008
>> servers, 2008 member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. Slow
>> Windows startup, slow login and AD querys horribly slow. Server
>> running 2003 are ideal at these sites. I was told that this could be
>> the results of not having a 2008 domain controller in that specific
>> site. There are no startup script through group policy in place
>> either. I can't seem to find any evidence behind this or a solution.
>> I have taken the liberty on introducting a 2008 domain controller to
>> a site that only had 2003 domain controllers, but my fear is I might
>> be chasing something that might not be true.
>>



 
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Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]
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      10-21-2009
Hello Meinolf,

For servers i strongly suggest to use fixed ip addresses and not any kind
of reservations.

Additional check this article:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/acefekay/arc...-problems.aspx

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Hello Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS],
>
> Copied from the email:
>
> I passed IP thru DHCP reservations and DNS is being passed as well
> with this method. I did verify that sites and services do reflect
> subnets accordingly, but don't understand the slowness. Any
> additional input welcomed.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>> Hello BlueIT,
>>
>> Slow startups often belong to DNS configuration. That is not
>> belonging to the Os version of the DC, adding 2008 there will not
>> help. So an ipconfig /all from the problem machines can help to
>> exclude this. Also a small overview about your DNS setup and
>> configuration.
>>
>> Make sure AD sites and services reflect the physical structure with
>> the subnets/sites and the DCs belonging to them.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> Thanks for the help in advance.
>>>
>>> I have a flat domain with six domain controllers. Two domain
>>> controllers each are designated for three sites. In one of the
>>> sites, all the domain controllers have been converted to 2008. The
>>> remaining are still 2003 as well as the site containing the FSMO
>>> roles.
>>>
>>> My issues is as follows....
>>>
>>> The site the contains the two 2008 domain controllers works great.
>>> Machine boot/startup is par so is AD querys for 2008 server, 2008
>>> member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. The sites with 2003 as
>>> domain controllers have something completely opposite for 2008
>>> servers, 2008 member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. Slow
>>> Windows startup, slow login and AD querys horribly slow. Server
>>> running 2003 are ideal at these sites. I was told that this could
>>> be the results of not having a 2008 domain controller in that
>>> specific site. There are no startup script through group policy in
>>> place either. I can't seem to find any evidence behind this or a
>>> solution. I have taken the liberty on introducting a 2008 domain
>>> controller to a site that only had 2003 domain controllers, but my
>>> fear is I might be chasing something that might not be true.
>>>



 
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Ace Fekay [MCT]
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      10-23-2009

"BlueIT" <> wrote in message
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On Oct 21, 4:02 am, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de>
wrote:
> Hello Meinolf,
>
> For servers i strongly suggest to use fixed ip addresses and not any kind
> of reservations.
>
> Additional check this
> article:http://msmvps.com/blogs/acefekay/arc...-chimney-and-r...
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
>
> > Hello Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS],

>
> > Copied from the email:

>
> > I passed IP thru DHCP reservations and DNS is being passed as well
> > with this method. I did verify that sites and services do reflect
> > subnets accordingly, but don't understand the slowness. Any
> > additional input welcomed.

>
> > Best regards

>
> > Meinolf Weber
> > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> > confers
> > no rights.
> > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> > ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >> Hello BlueIT,

>
> >> Slow startups often belong to DNS configuration. That is not
> >> belonging to the Os version of the DC, adding 2008 there will not
> >> help. So an ipconfig /all from the problem machines can help to
> >> exclude this. Also a small overview about your DNS setup and
> >> configuration.

>
> >> Make sure AD sites and services reflect the physical structure with
> >> the subnets/sites and the DCs belonging to them.

>
> >> Best regards

>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>> Thanks for the help in advance.

>
> >>> I have a flat domain with six domain controllers. Two domain
> >>> controllers each are designated for three sites. In one of the
> >>> sites, all the domain controllers have been converted to 2008. The
> >>> remaining are still 2003 as well as the site containing the FSMO
> >>> roles.

>
> >>> My issues is as follows....

>
> >>> The site the contains the two 2008 domain controllers works great.
> >>> Machine boot/startup is par so is AD querys for 2008 server, 2008
> >>> member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. The sites with 2003 as
> >>> domain controllers have something completely opposite for 2008
> >>> servers, 2008 member servers or 2008 stand alone servers. Slow
> >>> Windows startup, slow login and AD querys horribly slow. Server
> >>> running 2003 are ideal at these sites. I was told that this could
> >>> be the results of not having a 2008 domain controller in that
> >>> specific site. There are no startup script through group policy in
> >>> place either. I can't seem to find any evidence behind this or a
> >>> solution. I have taken the liberty on introducting a 2008 domain
> >>> controller to a site that only had 2003 domain controllers, but my
> >>> fear is I might be chasing something that might not be true.- Hide
> >>> quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


I understand the suggestion of use Static vs DHCP reservation, but
think we are getting off the topic here. I ensured that DHS
information is correct on all 2008 servers and subnets were in proper
Sites withing sites and services. What is baffling is that the site
with 2008 domain controllers are not experiencing this problem.


===

BlueIT,

Earlier you said you created an AD Site, but there are not domain
controllers in the Site. Is this true? A site is designed to control
replication and logon/authentication traffic. If there are no DCs in a Site,
it will be useless. If there are no DCs in a location/subnet, create an IP
Subnet Object(s) for that location, and associated wtih a current site that
does have a DC in it to offer DC services.

Also, you indicated that the FSMO roles are still on the 2003 DCs and none
on the 2008 DC(s). It's highly recommended to move the Schema Master and DNM
to a 2008 server. Also the DNM should be a GC.

It's also recommended that all DCs in a single domain to be GCs.

One more thing, and I'm not sure if this was discussed in any other threads
that you have going. If any DCs have DNS installed, and the zone has
populated/exists in DNS on those DCs, it's recommended to point to itself as
the first entry, and a replica DC in its own site, or another site.

The requests for an ipconfig /all from your DCs allows us to evaluate your
DCs' configurations. Also would be helpful if you can define your Sites,
their associated IP subnet objects, as well as if any of the DCs are in a
site.

Otherwise, to help will be basically based on generalities, which may and
can be misunderstood by both sides, and may not result in a resolution. I
mean we can do our best and quote best practices and general principles, but
knowing specifics help because every network/infrastructure is unique.


--
Ace

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2003/2000, MCSA Messaging 2003
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