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Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]
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      01-27-2009
Don't upgrade a working system unless you are forced to do so (buy a new
device that requires AS4.5, for example).

The actual flashing process is not a big problem. I suppose that, if your
power went out while you were doing it, killing the host PC, you might have
a problem, but just don't start flashing during an ice storm.

Note that your device OEM is the only one who can generate a 'real' flash
image for your device. While there are third parties out there who generate
'hacked' images for various devices, you need to be aware that those are not
necessarily either a) legal or, b) functional. You can't go to the store
and buy a WM6.1 upgrade; the people who build your device have to customize
WM6.1 to work on their hardware, so WM6.1 for device A is not the same as
WM6.1 for device B.

Paul T.

"Ken Maltby" <> wrote in message
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> I am new to the PocketPC world, and am impressed with
> all that you can get these things to do. I got 2ea. Mio
> Digiwalker P550 running WM5, they came with ActiveSync
> 4.1. The 4.1 seems to be working fine with no major issues.
> Would there be any benifit to "upgrading" ActiveSync to 4.5,
> if that is doable?
>
> I have also seen where the ROM can be flashed to have it
> run under WM6.1. While I've flashed many a PC ROM,
> this sounds a little more risky than I would normally want to
> consider. (Although sooner or later...) Do you think there
> are enough additional benifits to WM6, over WM5, to be
> worth the risk?
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
>



 
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Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]
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      01-27-2009
You might be able to find a feature list for WM6.1 and compare to a similar
list for WM5. This one I found with Google in five seconds:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobi...n-compare.mspx

Presumably, if you're getting the ROM image from the device OEM, they'll
tell you why they think you want it.

You'll definitely need AS4.5, if you do upgrade.

Paul T.

"Ken Maltby" <> wrote in message
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>> "Ken Maltby" <> wrote in message
>> news: ...
>>> I am new to the PocketPC world, and am impressed with
>>> all that you can get these things to do. I got 2ea. Mio
>>> Digiwalker P550 running WM5, they came with ActiveSync
>>> 4.1. The 4.1 seems to be working fine with no major issues.
>>> Would there be any benifit to "upgrading" ActiveSync to 4.5,
>>> if that is doable?
>>>
>>> I have also seen where the ROM can be flashed to have it
>>> run under WM6.1. While I've flashed many a PC ROM,
>>> this sounds a little more risky than I would normally want to
>>> consider. (Although sooner or later...) Do you think there
>>> are enough additional benifits to WM6, over WM5, to be
>>> worth the risk?
>>>
>>> Luck;
>>> Ken
>>>

>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT
> com> wrote in message news:%...
>
>> Don't upgrade a working system unless you are forced to do so (buy a new
>> device that requires AS4.5, for example).
>>
>> The actual flashing process is not a big problem. I suppose that, if
>> your power went out while you were doing it, killing the host PC, you
>> might have a problem, but just don't start flashing during an ice storm.
>>
>> Note that your device OEM is the only one who can generate a 'real' flash
>> image for your device. While there are third parties out there who
>> generate 'hacked' images for various devices, you need to be aware that
>> those are not necessarily either a) legal or, b) functional. You can't
>> go to the store and buy a WM6.1 upgrade; the people who build your device
>> have to customize WM6.1 to work on their hardware, so WM6.1 for device A
>> is not the same as WM6.1 for device B.
>>
>> Paul T.
>>

>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I'm afraid that I've violated the "don't fix-it if it ain't broken"
> point of view, a great many times in the over 40 years that I've
> been involuved with computers. Many times to a considerable
> benifit, although there were times that such efforts have resulted
> in more aggravation than benifit.
>
> Your consern for "hacked" firmware is one that should be taken
> into consideration, but it's more a matter of whether you have an
> understanding of the process of such hacking, or not. You need
> to be able to make some minor adjustments to the hack, on some
> occasions. There are plenty of times where it is much less of a
> risk, such as making a DVD Drive region free or updating the disk
> media tables. Many devices have the ability to flash firmware as
> a feature, for the very intent of adding features or capabilities at a
> later date. Then there is the case where models of a device may
> differ in firmware only ( an exceptionaly easy way to have products
> at several price points come off the same hardware production run).
>
> There is also the fact that OS are generaly made to be easily
> adapted to as large a base of hardware, as possible. Often they
> cover almost all the possible implementations of a particular
> processor, in a particular version of the OS, for that processor or
> processor family. (Not to mention Linux.)
>
>
> So, my questions still stand, if I were to to attempt such "upgrades"
> what benifits could I reasonably expect to see, or is there no real
> benifit of 4.5 over 4.1? Or WM6.1 over WM5?
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>



 
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Chris De Herrera
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      01-28-2009
Hi,
With 4.5 there is one feature to allow a user to connect to the internet via
the cellular network while synchronizing with your PC.


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"Ken Maltby" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Todd Allcock" <> wrote in message
> news:WBJfl.216101$...
>> At 27 Jan 2009 11:34:10 -0600 Ken Maltby wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Your consern for "hacked" firmware is one that should be taken
>>> into consideration, but it's more a matter of whether you have an
>>> understanding of the process of such hacking, or not. You need
>>> to be able to make some minor adjustments to the hack, on some
>>> occasions. There are plenty of times where it is much less of a
>>> risk, such as making a DVD Drive region free or updating the disk
>>> media tables. Many devices have the ability to flash firmware as
>>> a feature, for the very intent of adding features or capabilities at a
>>> later date. Then there is the case where models of a device may
>>> differ in firmware only ( an exceptionaly easy way to have products
>>> at several price points come off the same hardware production run).

>>
>>
>> The problem with "hacking" Windows Mobile is the intense level of
>> customization that goes into each device. Since WM devices
>> lack the multi-GB hard drives of desktops, each device includes only
>> what is absolutely necessary in its firmware- i.e. the drivers for the
>> display and WiFi hardware on that device only, for example, unlike a
>> desktop OS with a variety of hardware drivers pre-included to support a
>> myriad of potential hardware configurations.
>>
>> The hackers have to source their upgrades by stripping them from the
>> firmware of different, hopefully similar models, merging them with the
>> drivers of the original
>> device (assuming they'll even work with the new OS) or replacing them
>> with drivers of newer models by trial-and-error hoping to find workable
>> combinations.
>>
>> When I "unofficially" upgraded my HTC Wizard from WM5 to WM6, I tried
>> five or six ROMs before finding one that was mostly stable- some would
>> make the device hemmorage memory, lockup the WiFi radio, hang the device
>> randomly, etc. Plus you're at the mercy of what features the "chef" felt
>> neccessary or desirable. I saw a hacked ROM for my Wizard that had
>> several different 3rd-party media players and texting programs added, but
>> Word and Excel Mobile left out for space reasons! (Business
>> functionality was obviously not a priority for this particular hacker!)
>> Another modified so many default registry settings with his "secret
>> custom tweaks" he inadvertently disabled file sync! I was the only
>> person to point this out among the several dozen "attaboys" and "best ROM
>> ever" posts on the forum he posted the ROM at- the typical hacked ROM
>> user apparently has a far different usage scenario than I!
>>
>> Another ROM I tried impressed me at first with its speed and
>> responsiveness, until I realized it was accomplished by including and
>> autostarting a CPU overclocking program in the ROM, pushing my Wizard's
>> poor little 200MHz processor to 260!
>>
>>
>>> There is also the fact that OS are generaly made to be easily
>>> adapted to as large a base of hardware, as possible. Often they
>>> cover almost all the possible implementations of a particular
>>> processor, in a particular version of the OS, for that processor or
>>> processor family. (Not to mention Linux.)

>>
>>
>> Such is not as true of a mobile OS! ;-)
>>
>>> So, my questions still stand, if I were to to attempt such "upgrades"
>>> what benifits could I reasonably expect to see, or is there no real
>>> benifit of 4.5 over 4.1?

>>
>>
>> With all due respect to the good folks at Microsoft, Activesync is NOT
>> their best product by a long shot. Many folks have big problems syncing
>> or even getting it to recognize their device. There is no benefit to
>> changing a working Activesync setup with another "untested" one. The
>> Devil you know, as they say...
>>
>> I'm still using a pre-release beta version of AS 4.5 simply because it
>> works, and I'm unwilling to gamble on the actual release version!
>>
>> Having said that, should you decide to upgrade, you will have to use 4.5-
>> lower versions do not support WM6+.
>>
>>
>>> Or WM6.1 over WM5?

>>
>> WM6 offers HTML email support, and a (very slight) prettying up of the
>> UI. (The spinning "please wait" circle that mimics the hourglass on a
>> desktop is now multicolored. It's a nice touch since you tend to see it
>> more often in WM6!) Other than the above, I don't recall any earth-
>> shattering changes.
>>
>> However, I'd say go for it, if, (and only if!) you have access to the
>> current WM5 firmware should you decide to rollback. (Typically vendors
>> don't offer the device's original firmware to roll back to unless they
>> also provide an update, probably under the theory that no one needs a
>> 50MB download of their device's included "permanent" firmware.) I don't
>> think WM5 has any inherent advantages over WM6, but you might miss the
>> current stabilty of your device if the ROM creator wasn't very skilled,
>> or just has a different "stability" tolerance than you do. (Many
>> consider "only" having to reset the device a few times a day a
>> "success!")
>>
>> Still, upgrading my Wizard was certainly a fun experience, but as a
>> contrast, I haven't experimented with my current device (a WM6 AT&T
>> Tilt.)
>> I haven't even used the official available WM6.1 upgrade since I'm
>> happy with the Tilt's current stability and functionality, and see no
>> reason to mess with that!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Todd Allcock, Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Mobile device, otherwise this post would've been
>> longer, much wittier, and spell-checked.
>>
>> What is an MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

>
> Thank you both, I think that provides a more useful representation of
> the situation. It looks like WM6 provides nothing new that I would
> find useful. There also appears to be an issue with the passthrough to
> the internet with the versions of ActiveSync above 4.1. It works fine
> with 4.1 and since neither Google or anyone here has mention of any
> additional features or benifit to be gained from using 4.2 or 4.5; I
> guess I have my answers.
>
> Thanks again;
> Ken
>
>


 
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