Re: Confession for my nasty abuse of the Dragon speech engine

"andy t" <andyt nospam.technet.invalid> wrote:

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> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Mark Conrad <aeiou mostly.invalid> wrote:
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>>> In article <008d3860$0$13097$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com>, John
>>> Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...that is using your voice to tell a computer what to do.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I often wondered why a user is presently required to
>>> pause both before and after saying a command.
>>>
>>> It should be obvious to the stupid computer that we are asking
>>> it to do something.
>>>
>>> Maybe computers can't do the obvious?
>>
>> Dragonfly does Continuous Command Recognition, works great
>> here. I have a large list......
>
> Well done John Doe aka Mark Orrin Bender. You've got your first
> client at last lol!

I am not the author of Dragonfly, FumingTroll, you pathetic creature.
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> Albeit an 80 year old senile delinquent who lives in the past and
> rambles away about utter nonsense! You should get on great together lol.
>
> Have you told him you are a wife-beater and a domestic violence offender.
> Still, you can always beat him up afterwards if you get bored with your one
> client ;-)
>
> andy t
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"andy t" <andyt nospam.technet.invalid> wrote:

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> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
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>> "andy t" <andyt nospam.technet.invalid> wrote:
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>>> "Mark Conrad" <aeiou mostly.invalid> wrote
>>
>>>> Now I know that speed is not a priority for you, but consider
>>>> that you would very likely have NO speech app to use, if
>>>> speech apps were so slow that the rest of us would not buy
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> When you read my posts or anybody else's for that matter, do you
>>> actually take any of it in?
>>
>>... Mark looks like an idiot
>
> Does he? Then you're in good company!
>
>> (for persistently trying to help you).
>
> He can't even help himself, let alone me!!!

In your current ****ed-up state of mind, FumingTroll, apparently
no one can help you.




















> lol! He has never helped
> anyone. Hindered more like, with his bull-**** rantings.
>
> I get my help from proper experts, not people who think they are :-)
>
> He lives in La La Land. You should make a good pair. I'm pleased for you
> both ;-) let me know when you're tying the knot! I will raise a glass of
> Dr. Pepper for you both ;-)
>
> andy t
>
> andy t
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"John Doe" <> wrote in message
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>> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
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>>> Mark Conrad <aeiou mostly.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <008d3860$0$13097$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com>, John
>>>> Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...that is using your voice to tell a computer what to do.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I often wondered why a user is presently required to
>>>> pause both before and after saying a command.
>>>>
>>>> It should be obvious to the stupid computer that we are asking
>>>> it to do something.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe computers can't do the obvious?
>>>
>>> Dragonfly does Continuous Command Recognition, works great
>>> here. I have a large list......
>>
>> Well done John Doe aka Mark Orrin Bender. You've got your first
>> client at last lol!
>
> I am not the author of Dragonfly,

No, but you think you are! You Fuming domestic violence offender, wife
beater and red neck retard from Bexar County!

No wonder you was sued into poverty. Just because Dr. Pepper got the best
of you and you have not been gainfully employed since 1986.

You need to get yourself a job you dead beat instead of sitting on your ass
trying to be clever. You ain't gonna make much money with you one client
who has senile dementia and lives in cloud cuckoo land!

andy t
The investigator checked out his house and apparently it is 80 + years old
in a rundown neighborhood of San Antonio, Texas. Mark apparently rents a
room in this house. He has no car or visible means of support. Because of
this my lawyer told me not to waste my time or money suing

"Mark Conrad" <> wrote in message
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> Dang, John Doe is correct, it is futile to try to
> reason with andy.

You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!

Now why would you believe a deadbeat bankrupt who lives in a rundown shack
in San Antonio, Texas. Ask him what his favourite drink is. I bet it isn't
Dr. Pepper lol!

>> > Tsk, tsk, tsk - you certainly have a very hard tme
>> > grasping the most simple concepts, as evidenced by
>> > this remark of yours, concerning the simple fact
>> > that you would not have WSR to play with if the
>> > rest of the able-bodied world refused to buy
>> > speech recognition apps.
>>
>> But I have got WSR...
>
> You are so dense that you can not even understand
> what the word "if" means in the context of
> my above statement.

Your statement is null and void. It does not comply and the fact remains
that I already have speech recognition software. Get over it and move on!

> Any sane person can figure out that my statement
> clearly means that you would not presently have WSR
> at all, "if" thousands of able-bodied people had refused
> to purchase that app.

But they have and I have WSR so your statement means nothing. I do not know
what you are trying to prove here. Another one of your meaningless
ramblings.

> In fact, I will go further, if $MS had determined that there
> was no potential market among able-bodied buyers, then
> they would no even have developed WSR at all.

But they did develop it and I am replying to you with it. :-) Get the
picture?

> You failed to refer to "which question" in your post,

My apologies, 'your statement' not question. Anything to deflect the flak
from the real issue. Good old Mark, you can depend on him for that.

> We are not mind readers, so the next time try to be
> more rational and let everyone know which question
> you are referring to.

The question was not for everyone, the question was for you,
****-for-brains!

Okay, as you are too lazy to read the posts properly in the first place here
they are again.

1. Have you tried the test I set you yet? If you come back and say which
test, the clue is in reading my earlier posts. If you completely ignore my
request as you have in your last three posts, then I will assume that old
selective dementia is back. Because you cannot dictate 211 words including
punctuation for a FULL minute and have 100% accuracy with the words you are
dictating to the screen from a separate letter or similar that you are not
familiar with.

I defy anybody to get that. Forget syllables and stop changing the
goalposts and making up your own silly rules. That is what a typist counts,
wpm not spm and remember this includes ALL punctuation and every word you
dictate has to be the same, word for word from the article you are reading
from.

If you do try it and then say you have triumphed, then I will not believe
you because it is impossible. You will do well to get 160-165 wpm IF YOU
ARE LUCKY and then expect it to be of the accuracy of 100% word for word
perfect.

Second question: I asked if you had the KnowBrainer Software? You did not
answer so I assume you have not.

I have KnowBrainer 2008 which contains thousands more commands that work
with DNS. So it seems I have something you haven't ;-) that is evolution my
friend ;-).

>> Stop living in the past accept that the
>> Wright brothers are dead.

> I never referred to the Wright brothers in any of my
> posts to you, are you having delusions?

It was a figure of speech. Are you really that thick? You keep living in
the past. The past has gone. get over it because all there is now is the
future!

>> All this flak trying to blind everyone with science
>> and not once mentioning the test or I set you..
>
> You just did the same inconsiderate things again,
> what test? What is "or I set you" supposed to mean?

Okay you got me with a typo. I'm sure even someone like you could figure it
out.

Read the above and all my previous posts properly and you will see. You are
known to be quite illiterate in the spelling department, must be the case
that the reading department is a little difficult for you too. Should have
spent more time at school.

> Damn. John Doe, you were correct all along,
> I am an idiot.

You hit the nail right on the head there. You certainly are!

> It is a hopeless cause trying to reason with
> a person as illogical as Andrew.

What's perfectly logical at the moment is that I have DNS Pro 10.1 +
KnowBrainer 2008 + WSR + Win7 when I'm ready to put it on my machine. That
all seems logical to me as my dictation and navigation is second to none at
the moment :-)

> It seems his paralysis has spread to his brain.

Says an 80 year old illiterate, senile delinquent with dementia who rambles
off at a tangent into meaningless writings.

Now I have spent too much time chatting to two no hopers who deserve each
other already.

You have found a friend at last Mark albeit a domestic violence offender,
wife beater from a ****-hole in San Antonio Texas, but it's a start.

Now I am off to get some proper advice from proper experts with my lovely
software. I wish you two every success in life, or in your case Mark,
what's left of it and I raise a glass of Dr. Pepper to dumb and dumber LOL!

andy t

"Mark Conrad" <> wrote in message
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> In article <>, andy t
> <> wrote:
>
>> No, but you think you are! You Fuming domestic violence offender, wife
>> beater and red neck retard from Bexar County!
>>
>> No wonder you was sued into poverty. Just because Dr. Pepper got the
>> best
>> of you and you have not been gainfully employed since 1986.
>>
>> You need to get yourself a job you instead of sitting on your ass
>> trying to be clever. You ain't gonna make much money with you one client
>> who has senile dementia and lives in cloud cuckoo land!


> Sue for what, andy?

Why don't you ask him seeing as you are best friends now.

> The posts that I read from "John Doe" to you seemed very civil,
> until you became abusive to him.

He struck the first blow, I just retaliated. And if you think he is a civil
person, I suggest you look around at some of these other posts not only to
me but other people. Use your eyes as well as your deformed brain and stop
using that selective dementia.
>
>
>> Mark apparently rents a room in this house.
>
> ??? Anyone who checks all my past posts can readily
> ascertain by several means that I live in the mountains
> about 50 miles west of Redding, in northern California.

I am not referring to you, you daft old bat! READ THE POSTS PROPERLY!!! I
am talking about JOHN DOE AKA MARK ORRIN BENDER.

Get over yourself, nobody checks your posts apart from John Doe aka Mark
Orrin Bender and me and the only reason I read them is to see what garbage
you spill and to have a good Laugh

> It would be impossible for me to rent a room in John Doe's
> house in Texas. I do not even know the guy, other than
> a very few exchanges on usenet, over the years.

What are you on about!!! You think everything is concerning you don't you?
You crave attention you sad old man. READ THE POSTS PROPERLY!

> BTW, what gives with you posting his approximate address
> here on usenet.

Why don't you asked him! Scum deserve to be exposed. Anyone who beats up
women deserve to be exposed.

> I do not post your address, although I could easily find it,
> if I wanted to.

You do come out with some *******s. You reckon you can dictate 211 wpm, now
you reckon you could find my address. You live in cloud cuckoo land and you
have dementia. You couldn't find your way out of a paper bag, let alone my
address.

Even if you could, that does not bother me, I have nothing to hide for I am
not a common criminal who is a lowlife woman beater. Do your worst you old
fart!

> Perhaps some disgruntled taxpayer who was tired of
> paying for your medical bills, brought on all of us by
> your dumb driving mistake might want to go to your
> house and ask you why he should have to pay his
> hard earned tax money to support
> your medical bills.

LOL! You do come out with some ****! Still I need a good laugh from time
to time so I just look at your posts! They are nearly as good as the Harry
Potter books and just as accurate as the same.

> It is obvious you were not even wearing your seat belt.
>
> What other people in that car did you injure, because of
> your driving stupidity?

LOL! Not even warm. You will never make detective Sherlock Conrad.

>> You ain't gonna make much money with you one client...
>
> "with you one client"?

> Ignoring your repeated bad grammar, I am far from being
> a client of John Doe.

It's an in-joke. Ask you bum chum. He knows what I mean. You need to read
a few of his posts to understand it but I would not bother because you
obviously have trouble reading them and taking them into that senile old
brain of yours.

A typo is hardly bad grammar and if that's the best you can do, then I feel
sorry for you. An 80 year illiterate who spells atrociously and the best
one of all 'dispite' , no getting away from that one. 100% schoolboy error.

Then he pretends to know the meaning of déjà vu and then makes a complete
ass of himself by posting the wrong meaning on the World Wide Web for
everybody to see. Yep, I have pointed it out and I think everybody now knows
what an illiterate, cretin you are really are.

> Certainly my short-term memory is poor, but your
> short-term memory is likely to be poor also, when
> you reach my age of 80 years.

Hit a nerve here, have I? ;-)

> "lives in cloud cuckoo land" ?

Yes you do, up there with the fairies. One who generally believes his own
FUD!

> Keep that Andrew, and I will get the impression
> that you do not like me.

What's not to like LOL!

>> Because you cannot dictate 211 words including
>> punctuation for a FULL minute and have
>> 100% accuracy with the words you are
>> dictating to the screen...
>
> I do it all the time Andy,

BULLSHIT!

> if the words are simple
> one syllable words. You could also.

Changing the rules again! I told you, you don't count syllables, you count
words. A typist will count wpm including all punctuation.

The chance of every word in a document being one syllable is 'zilch'. Pull
the other one, it has bells on it! To add to that, you cannot prove
anything with your ridiculous claims ;-) can you?

> However if the words are multi-syllable, such as:
> "perioperative transesophageal echocardiography"
> then of course I can not dictate at 211 wpm.

Finally we hit the truth. You are full of ****.

Once more, dictating as fast as you can, YOU WOULD BE LUCKY to get 160-165
wpm including all punctuation and expect to get no mistakes. If you can
dictate that fast and it all comes out fine on screen, then I would take my
hat off to you. If you can dictate 211 wpm and expect it to be word perfect
on screen, then I would say you are lying!

> That is why "wpm" is meaningless unless one also
> specifies the number of syllables in the text.

Tell a typist that 'wpm' is meaningless and they will not look favourably
upon you.

Now let's live in the real world! When a typist types a document for
testing purposes, they are timed on how many words they can type in 1 minute
including all punctuation. Not syllables, that is just your dreamed up
invention of changing the rules again because you have now been found out to
be the biggest bull-shitter of all time! ;-)

> You totally ignore syllables, which is just plain silly.

No, it is you that is silly. You do not count syllables. I bet you are one
of these people that play Monopoly and then change the cost of the houses so
that it suits your needs.

>> Have you tried the test I set you yet?

> I have done better than that, I can _consistently_ dictate
> complex medical text at 150 wpm,

That it is more realistic and more believable and at last you have changed
your tune to be more realistic. 150 wpm, is not 211 wpm. Finally you have
admitted it, PHEW! We got there in the end Pinocchio!

I have also managed somewhere in the 150 wpm range with no mistakes in both
speech apps but, and I have to say this, that is very fast and fast enough.
If you just talk normally, clearly and concisely just like a newscaster
does, you will get great accuracy and still be faster than a typist anyway.
This is the way you are meant to dictate in either speech app.

Plus I have got KnowBrainer 2008. When this is added to Dragon, this makes
it even more accurate on the 'command side'. You obviously have not got
this software so you are still somewhere in the stone age by the sounds of
it.

I have come to the conclusion I have wasted a lot of time on all your
bullshit. Feeding you and giving you attention and proving you're wrong
every time is now becoming a bit boring. So I have decided that this will
be my last post that I will spend time on correcting a senile delinquent who
is full of bullshit.

Starving you of attention is best policy. I noticed this before that if you
are ignored, you soon go away :-) you may get a reply from the infamous John
Doe who beats up women but that is like not getting a reply at all really.
You are both a pair of pricks and you deserve each other.

andy t

"Mark Conrad" <> wrote in message
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> In article <#>, andy t
> <> wrote:
>
>> So I have decided that this will
>> be my last post...
>
> Oh goody, I always like to get in the last word
>
> Notice the skillful way I waited for awhile to ensure
> that you had indeed left this thread, before I posted.
>
> First off, you are preaching to the choir if you think
> anyone else is watching this thread.
>
> You act like many people are watching, which justifies
> your attempts to degrade others here, in a vain attempt
> to make yourself look good by comparison.
>
> There is just you and me here, with a remote possibility
> that John and Marty are lurking.
>
> Speech Recognition (SR) is a marginal technology, only
> of interest to a very small number of people, as far as
> personal computing is concerned.
>
> One can go for months in this NG, without seeing any post
> relating to SR.
>
>
>
> Business and technical uses are another story, SR has
> many uses in those areas.
>
>
> About the wpm issue (wpm = words per minute)
> -------------
> People use speed typing tests to gauge their typing speed,
> and to have something to tell a prospective employer when
> asked how fast their typing speed is.
>
> SR users also use wpm to gauge how fast they can dictate
> speech, while still having acceptable accuracy in the text
> output from their SR application.
>
> Now an employer does not really care how fast a SR user can
> dictate: "Jack and Jill ran up the hill to fetch a pail of water"
> type of text.
>
> He _does_ care how fast they can dictate:
> "perioperative transesophageal echocardiography"
> type of text.
>
> Even though that is just 3 words, it takes me longer
> to dictate it than the 13 words of Jack and Jill...
>
> (17 syllables versus 14 syllables)
>
> pear-e-op-per-a-tive
> trans-ses-so-fay-geeal
> eck-ko-car-dio-graph-ee
>
>
>
> Employer would be a lot better off hiring a SR user who
> could dictate medical text at 35 wpm, instead of hiring
> a SR user who could dictate ordinary text at 150 wpm.
>
> Conclusion: Regular typing tests are a very poor indication
> of a SR users speed, or lack of speed.
>
> Syllables are a much better way of judging the speed of
> two different SR users.
>
> For example, you are a self-professed linguist, therefore
> it is likely you know as much about medical jargon as I do.
>
> I have already admitted, several times, that I know little
> about medical lingo.
>
> If we wanted common ground to judge our speed in dictating
> a medical extract, and we could both dictate 200 syllables
> in 60 seconds with 100% accuracy, in 3 out of 4 attempts,
> then it is very likely that we both are roughly equal in
> our dictation speed.
>
> By Contrast -
> ********
> Still assuming that we know roughly equal amounts about
> medical terms - - -
>
> Then if I can dictate 300 syllables in 60 seconds, while
> you can dictate only 200, then it is apparent that I have
> something going for me that you do NOT have.
>
> It could be better diction.
> It could be a better SR app.
> Perhaps I have mechanized false teeth
> which I have set at a high speed?
>
> It could be a more knowledgeable configuration
> of the preferences of the SR app.
>
> ...or it could be many other things.
>
>
> BTW, my dictation speed is presently 300 syllables
> per minute, with 100% accuracy, punctuation and all,
> in 3 out of 4 dictation attempts on a 4 minute dictation
> session involving 600 words.
>
> Any failed 4th attempt is invariably due to me
> mispronouncing or stumbling over one of the 600
> words in the four minute dictation session.
>
> BTW #2
> My last successful 100% accurate dictation was done
> while listening to the "Smoky Robinson" ice skating revue
> on the Hallmark TV channel - the loud live band and singer
> did not interfere one iota with the 100% accuracy of
> that 4 minute dictation session.

And did you just happen to see that pig flying by at the same time with
Harvey the rabbit on its back? :-)

Notice the skilled way I just use a few lines to dismiss all the nonsense
and bull **** above. No need to write a book or long tirade's as you do in
your vain attempts to justify your bull **** and your back tracking.

andy t