Re: Customizing the new toolbar

Hello David:

The interface in IE 7 is not as customizable as it was in IE 6. You
cannot place the buttons wherever you would like. Whether or not this
changes remains to be seen. The new browser is only a couple of months old.

For myself personally, being able to move toolbar buttons around is not
that important. I use several programs with 'non-standard' layouts or
whose interfaces can't be re-arranged at all...not one bit. A program's
functions are more important to me, and I find IE 7 to be a big
improvement over IE 6. I recognize that other people feel differently.

Earl Grey

David wrote:
> Hello, I dislike the the placement of buttons in the new IE7 toolbar and want
> to use the same toolbar that was in IE 6. Is it possible to make my toolbar
> look like the older version? For example, the Previous, Next, Stop, Refresh
> and Home Buttons all next to each other again.

I certainly agree. The new placement of buttons is not good and refresh is
very difficult to find. I usually get rid of many of the buttons and keep
four or five only. I would like the refresh with the others!
Rose

"David" wrote:

> In response, I am a web designer. I am using the Refresh button hundreds of
> times a day because when I upload a page to my website, I have to click the
> Refresh button. The new Refresh button in IE7 is so tiny, and is also hard
> to find. Same goes for the Home button, which I use quite often.
>
> If I cannot make these buttons larger and next to each other, I would rather
> downgrade back to IE6.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Earl Grey" wrote:
>
> > Hello David:
> >
> > The interface in IE 7 is not as customizable as it was in IE 6. You
> > cannot place the buttons wherever you would like. Whether or not this
> > changes remains to be seen. The new browser is only a couple of months old.
> >
> > For myself personally, being able to move toolbar buttons around is not
> > that important. I use several programs with 'non-standard' layouts or
> > whose interfaces can't be re-arranged at all...not one bit. A program's
> > functions are more important to me, and I find IE 7 to be a big
> > improvement over IE 6. I recognize that other people feel differently.
> >
> > Earl Grey
> >
> > David wrote:
> > > Hello, I dislike the the placement of buttons in the new IE7 toolbar and want
> > > to use the same toolbar that was in IE 6. Is it possible to make my toolbar
> > > look like the older version? For example, the Previous, Next, Stop, Refresh
> > > and Home Buttons all next to each other again.
> >

Hi David:

I really don't know what to tell you. The refresh button is right in
front of me. The only way I could miss it is to take off my glasses.

And should I find it too troublesome to mouse over to the Refresh button
and click on it, I could always press F5 on the keyboard.

Here's the part I don't understand, and forgive me, I'm not trying to be
rude:

For years users have been complaining long and loud about how Internet
Explorer didn't have tabbed browsing, didn't have RSS discovery. The
competition did. And while the competition printed 'shrink to fit' and
zoomed the page, IE 6 users were getting the right side of pages chopped
off at the printer and had no zoom.

Now, finally, Microsoft gave Internet Explorer all those capabilities -
and more - along with a phishing filter (that you're free to turn off),
activex opt-in, increased protection from cross-domain scripting attacks
and many more security upgrades...and you would forgo all of that and go
back to IE 6 over...the position of the toolbar buttons?

If I worked at Microsoft - I don't - I would just throw up my hands and
say "have a nice day."

Earl Grey

David wrote:
> In response, I am a web designer. I am using the Refresh button hundreds of
> times a day because when I upload a page to my website, I have to click the
> Refresh button. The new Refresh button in IE7 is so tiny, and is also hard
> to find. Same goes for the Home button, which I use quite often.
>
> If I cannot make these buttons larger and next to each other, I would rather
> downgrade back to IE6.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Earl Grey" wrote:
>
>> Hello David:
>>
>> The interface in IE 7 is not as customizable as it was in IE 6. You
>> cannot place the buttons wherever you would like. Whether or not this
>> changes remains to be seen. The new browser is only a couple of months old.
>>
>> For myself personally, being able to move toolbar buttons around is not
>> that important. I use several programs with 'non-standard' layouts or
>> whose interfaces can't be re-arranged at all...not one bit. A program's
>> functions are more important to me, and I find IE 7 to be a big
>> improvement over IE 6. I recognize that other people feel differently.
>>
>> Earl Grey
>>
>> David wrote:
>>> Hello, I dislike the the placement of buttons in the new IE7 toolbar and want
>>> to use the same toolbar that was in IE 6. Is it possible to make my toolbar
>>> look like the older version? For example, the Previous, Next, Stop, Refresh
>>> and Home Buttons all next to each other again.

While all the things you mention are great, there are tons of "not quite
thought-through" little gotches in IE7 that are blatantly obvious bad
programming (not just bad design). These range from messed up Internet
Shortcut (.url) icons to broken and buggy FTP, to weird anomolous crashes
and rendering bugs and "site not found" errors (often caused by the
anti-phishing filter).

Yes, these problems are small... . But they speak volumes about the quality
of the product. IE7 is not in any way a quality product. (P.S. I'm a
programmer... IE7 is one of the worst examples of amatuerish programming
I've seen come from Microsoft EVER.... it's downright troubling).

You throw in the obtuse User Interface and.... well.... some of us- despite
liking some things in IE7- have run back to IE6 (or, worse, FF) in a hurry.

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com
"Earl Grey" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi David:
>
> I really don't know what to tell you. The refresh button is right in front
> of me. The only way I could miss it is to take off my glasses.
>
> And should I find it too troublesome to mouse over to the Refresh button
> and click on it, I could always press F5 on the keyboard.
>
> Here's the part I don't understand, and forgive me, I'm not trying to be
> rude:
>
> For years users have been complaining long and loud about how Internet
> Explorer didn't have tabbed browsing, didn't have RSS discovery. The
> competition did. And while the competition printed 'shrink to fit' and
> zoomed the page, IE 6 users were getting the right side of pages chopped
> off at the printer and had no zoom.
>
> Now, finally, Microsoft gave Internet Explorer all those capabilities -
> and more - along with a phishing filter (that you're free to turn off),
> activex opt-in, increased protection from cross-domain scripting attacks
> and many more security upgrades...and you would forgo all of that and go
> back to IE 6 over...the position of the toolbar buttons?
>
> If I worked at Microsoft - I don't - I would just throw up my hands and
> say "have a nice day."
>
> Earl Grey
>
> David wrote:
>> In response, I am a web designer. I am using the Refresh button hundreds
>> of times a day because when I upload a page to my website, I have to
>> click the Refresh button. The new Refresh button in IE7 is so tiny, and
>> is also hard to find. Same goes for the Home button, which I use quite
>> often. If I cannot make these buttons larger and next to each other, I
>> would rather downgrade back to IE6.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earl Grey" wrote:
>>
>>> Hello David:
>>>
>>> The interface in IE 7 is not as customizable as it was in IE 6. You
>>> cannot place the buttons wherever you would like. Whether or not this
>>> changes remains to be seen. The new browser is only a couple of months
>>> old.
>>>
>>> For myself personally, being able to move toolbar buttons around is not
>>> that important. I use several programs with 'non-standard' layouts or
>>> whose interfaces can't be re-arranged at all...not one bit. A program's
>>> functions are more important to me, and I find IE 7 to be a big
>>> improvement over IE 6. I recognize that other people feel differently.
>>>
>>> Earl Grey
>>>
>>> David wrote:
>>>> Hello, I dislike the the placement of buttons in the new IE7 toolbar
>>>> and want to use the same toolbar that was in IE 6. Is it possible to
>>>> make my toolbar look like the older version? For example, the
>>>> Previous, Next, Stop, Refresh and Home Buttons all next to each other
>>>> again.

kp wrote:
>
> Human factors in design are hugely important, far more than the latest
> techno-doodad to most people. The security upgrades, while welcome,
> are seen by many as stopgaps only until the bad guys find new
> vulnerabilities to exploit. Meanwhile, people are finding the new
> browser awkward, difficult or impossible to use because MS decided to
> change the interface for no discernable reason.

If people this browser 'impossible to use' because the buttons are located
in somewhat different places on the menu bars, they they are too stupid to
be using a PC.

--
Gregg C.

kp:

You have posted in this newsgroup many times, so we are sufficiently
aware of your opinions.

You seem consumed with anger over Internet Explorer 7. If it irritates
you so much, why not just get rid of it? Switch to a different browser
that better suits you, and you can be happy again. To be very frank:
Nobody cares about your personal vendetta against Microsoft.

Earl Grey

kp wrote:
> Gregg Cattanach wrote:
>> kp wrote:
>>> Human factors in design are hugely important, far more than the latest
>>> techno-doodad to most people. The security upgrades, while welcome,
>>> are seen by many as stopgaps only until the bad guys find new
>>> vulnerabilities to exploit. Meanwhile, people are finding the new
>>> browser awkward, difficult or impossible to use because MS decided to
>>> change the interface for no discernable reason.
>> If people this browser 'impossible to use' because the buttons are located
>> in somewhat different places on the menu bars, they they are too stupid to
>> be using a PC.
>
> Responded to in the spirit of MS we all know and love... arrogant, "we
> know better than you" attitude, oblivious to what people actually want.
> What the vast majority want is a product that works in the way they are
> accustomed to for what they want it to do, nothing more. Messing with
> it for no discernable benefit makes them abandon it. Listen, and learn.
>

"kp" <> wrote in
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general...
>
>Earl Grey wrote:
>> kp:
>>
>> You have posted in this newsgroup many times, so we are sufficiently
>> aware of your opinions.
>>
>> You seem consumed with anger over Internet Explorer 7. If it irritates
>> you so much, why not just get rid of it? Switch to a different browser
>> that better suits you, and you can be happy again. To be very frank:
>> Nobody cares about your personal vendetta against Microsoft.
>
>Well, it seems you do.
>
>Your defense of a major blunder by the world's dominant software maker
>seems strange.

Microsoft commit a major blunder? That's impossible. Here's
proof! ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/yg3xa6

Microsoft's arrogant attitude is catching up with them.
They'll soon be heading the way of Ford. They'll fall from the top of
the heap to the bottom, solely because they try force what they want
on us, instead of providing us with what we want and need. The 3,000
year old saying, "Pride goeth before a fall", will be proven true by
Microsoft sooner than later.


>Why would you be so concerned what I or others think? It
>is interesting to track the reactions of users to MS' botching of IE7,
>and the reactions of the MS defenders. The sociological study is far
>more engaging than the vagaries of a piece of ill-designed software.
>Especially interesting will be the reaction of the decision-makers at
>MS. Will they do what any consumer-oriented company would do and fix
>their mistake, or will they press on regardless of consumer reaction
>with their ill-advised attempt to change the habits of Mr. and Mrs.
>America, who just want their computer to work as reliably and easily as
>their telephone?
>
>I have no "personal vendetta" against MS. I do have a disdain for
>companies who ignore consumer wishes and attempt to impose their own.
>And I feel sorry for people like yourself who feel the need to defend
>such behavior.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Glenn S.
Non-computer nerd user of IE6.

If you don't like Internet Explorer 7, and want to go back to IE6,
go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs.
Find Windows Internet Explorer 7, highlight it, and click "Remove".
That will take you back to IE6. The roll-back process worked
for me, for which I am grateful to Microsoft.

"kp" <> wrote in
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general...
>
>Gregg Cattanach wrote:
>> kp wrote:
>> >
>> > Human factors in design are hugely important, far more than the latest
>> > techno-doodad to most people. The security upgrades, while welcome,
>> > are seen by many as stopgaps only until the bad guys find new
>> > vulnerabilities to exploit. Meanwhile, people are finding the new
>> > browser awkward, difficult or impossible to use because MS decided to
>> > change the interface for no discernable reason.
>>
>> If people this browser 'impossible to use' because the buttons are located
>> in somewhat different places on the menu bars, they they are too stupid to
>> be using a PC.
>
>Responded to in the spirit of MS we all know and love... arrogant, "we
>know better than you" attitude, oblivious to what people actually want.
>What the vast majority want is a product that works in the way they are
>accustomed to for what they want it to do, nothing more. Messing with
>it for no discernable benefit makes them abandon it. Listen, and learn.

I wonder when Sony will require you to be a TV repairman to
watch their TV's?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Glenn S.
Non-computer nerd user of IE6.

If you don't like Internet Explorer 7, and want to go back to IE6,
go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs.
Find Windows Internet Explorer 7, highlight it, and click "Remove".
That will take you back to IE6. The roll-back process worked
for me, for which I am grateful to Microsoft.