Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Do a update now! There's a new version of xmoto in the repositories!
>
> Such wonderful changes include:
>
> ,----
>| X-Moto 0.4.2 2008-03-18
>| -----------------------
>| * several rooms possible in configuration
>| * option to remove levels not suitable for children
>| * man page is no more gunzipped
>| * AddPenaltyTime(), PlaySound(), PlayMusic(), StopMusic(), AddForceToPlayer(), SetCameraRotationSpeed() script functions (patches by gaivota)
>| * ctrl + down/up in replays to adjust speed
>| * --cleanNoWWWLevels to clean levels which are no longer available on the website (move them into ~/.xmoto/Trash)
>| * biker interact with world when dead
>| * fix layers while autozoom
>| * major string printing speedup
>| * some other minor modifications
>| * dynamic camera while playing
> `----
>
> The question is : why?
>
> Screen shots here:
>
> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/inde...le=Screenshots
>
> Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>
> Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>
> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/imag...enshot0020.png

I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
as release a game that looks like something from 1985...

Go Linux!
You go girl!!



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In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.>,
Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
> > Screen shots here:
> >
> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/inde...le=Screenshots
> >
> > Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
> >
> > Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
> >
> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/imag...enshot0020.png
>
> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...

Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.

Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:

<http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>

Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?

Reading the level design page here:

<http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>

leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

--
--Tim Smith

Tim Smith <> writes:

> In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>> > Screen shots here:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/inde...le=Screenshots
>> >
>> > Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>> >
>> > Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>> >
>> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/imag...enshot0020.png
>>
>> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
>> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>
> Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
> about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
> simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
> realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.
>
> Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:
>
> <http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>
>
> Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?
>
> Reading the level design page here:
>
> <http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>
>
> leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
> good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
> right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

I would hazard a guess you are not a gamer. The "retro look" is simply
because it's a crap game Tim. There is nothing "retro" about it.

--
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:11:33 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>> Screen shots here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/inde...le=Screenshots
>>>
>>> Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>>>
>>> Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>>>
>>> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/imag...enshot0020.png
>>
>> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
>> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>
> Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
> about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
> simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
> realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.
>
> Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:
>
> <http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>
>
> Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?
>
> Reading the level design page here:
>
> <http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>
>
> leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
> good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
> right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

Actually I *prefer* the older type games like Tetris, Pacman, Duke Nukem
etc.

Why, because you can learn how to play them in 2 minutes or less.
I don't want to have to study a game in order to play it and have fun, like
say Halo.
They are also deceptively addictive and fun at the same time.

However, I don't believe the authors of xmoto are going for the retro look
on purpose.
It's just the what they have to offer.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Hadron illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

> <snip>
> I would hazard a guess you are not a gamer. The "retro look" is simply
> because it's a crap game Tim. There is nothing "retro" about it.

Anyone know of a port of "Halls of the things"?

--
Moog

"If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
mashed potatoes"