Re: Disk Defragmenter Will Not Automatically Run--Vista Ultimate...How Can I Fix This?

Susan wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:36:34 -0800, Susan <> wrote:
>
>> I think I understand now one of the problems. Vista Defrag says it
>> has run last automatically but actually all it does is analyze and see
>> that defragging is not necessary. This would explain why it looks
>> like it has defragged so quickly. This also explains why when I do a
>> manual defrag it might take 45 minutes to finish. Manually defrags
>> force defragging without analysis consideration.
>
> With what I have that comes with the Vista Ultimate install is there
> any way to automatically, when Idle, force Disk Defragmenter to defrag
> ignoring the analysis threshold saying it is not necessary? Can Disk
> Defragmenter be run with a file parameter that forces defragging
> and/or ignores analysis?
>
> Thank you.

Err why would you want to? There's no NEED to run defrag, it's not
obligatory.
Note that the file management in both XP and Vista is FAR superior to
that of the 9x versions of Windows.
If Vista says that the disk doesn't need to be defragged, why would you
want to override that?

Gordon <> wrote:

>Susan wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:36:34 -0800, Susan <> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I understand now one of the problems. Vista Defrag says it
>>> has run last automatically but actually all it does is analyze and see
>>> that defragging is not necessary. This would explain why it looks
>>> like it has defragged so quickly. This also explains why when I do a
>>> manual defrag it might take 45 minutes to finish. Manually defrags
>>> force defragging without analysis consideration.
>>
>> With what I have that comes with the Vista Ultimate install is there
>> any way to automatically, when Idle, force Disk Defragmenter to defrag
>> ignoring the analysis threshold saying it is not necessary? Can Disk
>> Defragmenter be run with a file parameter that forces defragging
>> and/or ignores analysis?
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>Err why would you want to? There's no NEED to run defrag, it's not
>obligatory.
>Note that the file management in both XP and Vista is FAR superior to
>that of the 9x versions of Windows.
>If Vista says that the disk doesn't need to be defragged, why would you
>want to override that?

Obsessive-compuslive disorder.

"Susan" <> wrote in message
news:...
> My computer startup averages around 3 minutes. Shutdown averages around
> 1 min 45 seconds.


And what makes you think that defragging would have any affect on
startup/shutdown times?

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Susan wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:28:13 -0400, "Borne Aching"
> <> wrote:
>
>> "Gordon" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> "Susan" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> My computer startup averages around 3 minutes. Shutdown averages around
>>>> 1 min 45 seconds.
>>> And what makes you think that defragging would have any affect on
>>> startup/shutdown times?
>> And what business is that of yours?
>>
>> You could just have easily answered Admin Prompt>> c:\windows\system32>
>> defrag c: -w -v
>
> Yeah! Or give me a link to a white paper or other discussion on
> this? It is logical that defragging does make _some_ difference. If
> it made no difference at all then Microsoft would drop Disk
> Defragmenter or at least drop it from Task Scheduler.
>
> The neatest feature Microsoft could add to Disk Defragmenter would be
> _options_ to display what is going on concerning fragmentation and
> make the analysis threshold a variable so that I could defrag in Idle
> automatically when the drive is 5% fragmented and Gordon could defrag
> when his drive is 50% fragmented.
>
> **Can I change this threshold used in the Registry by any chance?
> Anything else in the Registry that might help?
>
> Defragging when Idle is great but if you don't know that defragging
> needs to be done and you aren't inclined to just leaving the machine
> turned on all the time or if the Defrag task schedule by default isn't
> set to wake up the machine if it is asleep when the automatic defrag
> time comes around then you lose and the time to defrag stacks up.
>
> I think Microsoft has made some very poor choices for us and its no
> wonder that people like myself come around every so often and irritate
> the hell out of experts trying to do something that doesn't need to be
> done. If I was a programmer I'd have yet another small company
> enterprise writing yet more tools to defrag, backup, diagnose, fix,
> clean up _all_ the Registry remnants, etc. etc. but I'm not. I come
> here and get into arguments.

Susan <> wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:28:13 -0400, "Borne Aching"
><> wrote:
>
>>"Gordon" <> wrote in message
>>news:...
>>> "Susan" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> My computer startup averages around 3 minutes. Shutdown averages around
>>>> 1 min 45 seconds.
>>>
>>> And what makes you think that defragging would have any affect on
>>> startup/shutdown times?
>>
>>And what business is that of yours?
>>
>>You could just have easily answered Admin Prompt>> c:\windows\system32>
>>defrag c: -w -v
>
>Yeah! Or give me a link to a white paper or other discussion on
>this? It is logical that defragging does make _some_ difference.

You must be a blonde.

>If it made no difference at all then Microsoft would drop Disk
>Defragmenter or at least drop it from Task Scheduler.

You definitely are a blonde.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:34:24 -0700, Susan <> wrote:

>The neatest feature Microsoft could add to Disk Defragmenter would be
>_options_ to display what is going on concerning fragmentation and
>make the analysis threshold a variable so that I could defrag in Idle
>automatically when the drive is 5% fragmented and Gordon could defrag
>when his drive is 50% fragmented.

Sorry, the dumbing down team at MS has determined that you don't need
to know anything about defragging or make any choices about it. Please
sit back and relax while MS determines what is best for you.


>I think Microsoft has made some very poor choices for us and its no
>wonder that people like myself come around every so often and irritate
>the hell out of experts trying to do something that doesn't need to be
>done. If I was a programmer I'd have yet another small company
>enterprise writing yet more tools to defrag, backup, diagnose, fix,
>clean up _all_ the Registry remnants, etc. etc. but I'm not. I come
>here and get into arguments.

Sorry Susan, but the bottom line is that there are some people here
who will intelligently discuss an issue, and a lot of total dickheads.
You'll get both responding.

FWIW, I use Auslogics (free) defragger.