Re: "End of Life" announcement for Ubuntu 6.10

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ Darth Chaos on Monday 31 March 2008 08:00 : \____
>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>
> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to upgrade?
> [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is that upgrading a
> GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be done as soon as the subsequent
> release comes out. No need for burning any CDs assuming you have an internet
> connection. Upgrade 'on tap'...

Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?

As usual the career student, Roy Schestowitz, has absolutely no idea how
the real world works.

Think time Roy.
Think time...
Time to upgrade.
Time is money.
Think of the rag tag nature of Linux where nobody is held accountable and
backward compatibility with older versions of software is a crap shoot.
Etc.

You're just the kind of boob that would take the latest version of Linux,
put 200 CD's in the server rooms servers on Sunday afternoon and reboot
them all at midnight hoping everything would be up and running Monday
morning at 8:00AM.

And when nothing worked, you would be out of a job.

Of course that would never happen because you'll never be able to get a
job, other than a paid spammer that is.


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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Darth Chaos on Monday 31 March 2008 08:00 : \____
>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>>
>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to upgrade?
>> [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is that upgrading a
>> GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be done as soon as the subsequent
>> release comes out. No need for burning any CDs assuming you have an internet
>> connection. Upgrade 'on tap'...
>
> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?
>
> As usual the career student, Roy Schestowitz, has absolutely no idea how
> the real world works.
>
> Think time Roy.
> Think time...
> Time to upgrade.
> Time is money.
> Think of the rag tag nature of Linux where nobody is held accountable and
> backward compatibility with older versions of software is a crap shoot.
> Etc.
>
> You're just the kind of boob that would take the latest version of Linux,
> put 200 CD's in the server rooms servers on Sunday afternoon and reboot
> them all at midnight hoping everything would be up and running Monday
> morning at 8:00AM.
>
> And when nothing worked, you would be out of a job.
>
> Of course that would never happen because you'll never be able to get a
> job, other than a paid spammer that is.
>
>

Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
upgrade with just a couple of commands.

i

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:24 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:


> Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
> server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
> until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
> upgrade with just a couple of commands.
>
> i

Sure you can.
The question is will it work and how much will it break.

The same can be said of Windows BTW.

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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:24 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>
>> Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
>> server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
>> until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
>> upgrade with just a couple of commands.
>>
>> i
>
> Sure you can.
> The question is will it work and how much will it break.

I am going to try such an upgrade today (7.10 to 8.04 beta). I just
asked a question about it here and will proceed shortly. I will
see. This computer is a kid's computer, what the kid does not know is
that it also runs a shitload of other stuff such as a backup
nameserver, webserver, etc. These are backup services only and if they
break, no one will notice, but it would be a good test.

> The same can be said of Windows BTW.

So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
stuff continue to run?

i

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:11:15 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:

> On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:24 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
>>> server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
>>> until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
>>> upgrade with just a couple of commands.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Sure you can.
>> The question is will it work and how much will it break.
>
> I am going to try such an upgrade today (7.10 to 8.04 beta). I just
> asked a question about it here and will proceed shortly. I will
> see. This computer is a kid's computer, what the kid does not know is
> that it also runs a shitload of other stuff such as a backup
> nameserver, webserver, etc. These are backup services only and if they
> break, no one will notice, but it would be a good test.

Better to ask first than be sorry.

>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>
> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
> stuff continue to run?
>
> i

It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.

A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
mission critical settings.


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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:11:15 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>> On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:01:24 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that Ubuntu does offer long term support versions. The
>>>> server version of Hardy (to come out this month) will be supported
>>>> until 2013. It is not unreasonable, especially given that you can
>>>> upgrade with just a couple of commands.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Sure you can.
>>> The question is will it work and how much will it break.
>>
>> I am going to try such an upgrade today (7.10 to 8.04 beta). I just
>> asked a question about it here and will proceed shortly. I will
>> see. This computer is a kid's computer, what the kid does not know is
>> that it also runs a shitload of other stuff such as a backup
>> nameserver, webserver, etc. These are backup services only and if they
>> break, no one will notice, but it would be a good test.
>
> Better to ask first than be sorry.

Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.

What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
since it is all done automatically.

>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>
>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>> stuff continue to run?
>>
>> i
>
> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>
> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
> mission critical settings.

While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.

i

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:


> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>
> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
> since it is all done automatically.

Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
not your scripts will work or not.
Linux is a fast moving target.


>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>
>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>
>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>> mission critical settings.
>
> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.

Give it a try and see what happens.
Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.




> i


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On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>
>> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>>
>> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
>> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
>> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
>> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
>> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
>> since it is all done automatically.
>
> Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
> It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
> not your scripts will work or not.
> Linux is a fast moving target.

scripts are all in my CVS and I do not really need to backup /home on
that computer. It will be all restored by my scripts, including
..bashrc etc.

>
>>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>>
>>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>>
>>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>>> mission critical settings.
>>
>> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
>> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.
>
> Give it a try and see what happens.
> Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.

I promise to honestly report my results. I have just started.

i

On 2008-03-31, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:34:50 -0500, Ignoramus7016 wrote:
>
>
>> Yep. But with this computer, I can easily afford to fsck up.
>>
>> What I have is a couple of scripts that set up any computer to exactly
>> the way I want, they install stuff, get my personal code, edit config
>> files, set up user faces, etc, depending on roles chosen for this
>> particular machine (kid's laptop of webserver etc). So rebuilding a
>> server is very easy and I know that I will not forget to do something,
>> since it is all done automatically.
>
> Make a backup of your /home directory, assuming your scripts live there.
> It all depends upon what has changed in the new version as to whether or
> not your scripts will work or not.
> Linux is a fast moving target.
>
>
>>>>> The same can be said of Windows BTW.
>>>>
>>>> So you can in-place upgrade XP to Vista, say? Will the server type
>>>> stuff continue to run?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> It *should* but I woudn't recommend doing it though just like I don't
>>> recommend upgrading Linux to a completely new version.
>>>
>>> A fresh install, of both platforms, is ALWAYS a better idea especially in
>>> mission critical settings.
>>
>> While I agree with that, and that was the case for me previously, I am
>> anxious to try an in-place upgrade. The downside for me is minimal.
>
> Give it a try and see what happens.
> Report back in the ubuntu group so your experiences may help others.
>

See my separate post titled "DONE -- in-place upgrade from Gutsy to
Hardy". While I have not yet been able to verify that GUI stuff works,
since I am away and can only use ssh, at least the system was not
fully hosed.

i

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Darth Chaos wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu610end-of-life
>>
>> Oh noes! It's been almost 2 years. How much will to cost to
>> upgrade? [sarcasm /] Get the checkbook ready. The nice thing is
>> that upgrading a GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu can be
>> done as soon as the subsequent release comes out. No need for
>> burning any CDs assuming you have an internet connection.
>> Upgrade 'on tap'...
>
> Yet Microsoft keeps supporting XP for how many years now?

However UBUNTU 6.06 (the long-term issue) is still supported.

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