Re: Installing Windows XP over Vista

GIJewishPenguin wrote:
> I have Windows Vista 32 on my computer and i was wondering what i would
> need to install windows XP over that.


You *cannot* install any version of WinXP _over_ any version of Vista
under any circumstances; only a format of the hard drive and a clean
installation of WinXP could possibly work.


> I was reading some places that a
> Windows XP OEM will only work on the computer it came with. is this
> true? Will i need to buy a retail version of XP to install onto my
> computer? or will the OEM product work?\
>


It depends upon the specific type of OEM WinXP installation CD you
have. A non-branded, generic OEM CD would probably install, assuming
that the computer will support a legacy OS, such as WinXP. However, an
OEM version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_
bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once
installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under _any_
circumstances.

If you happen to have a heretofore unused OEM license for WinXP, you
could legitimately use it. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase a new
license for WinXP.

Beware, however:

There could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of which you
should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer model in
question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no
WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's diverse
components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer about the
availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an OEM-installed
operating system and replacing it with another will almost invariably
void any and all support agreements and, possibly, even the warranty.
You would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before getting
any support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the computer's
manufacturer for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the additional cost
involved in purchasing a WinXP license for this new computer.


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The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

xfile wrote:

>
> You have been saying this for very long which is a misleading statement.
>


Not misleading, at all.


> As far as I know, the term "warranty" almost always refers to "hardware
> malfunction"...


So, you've examined, in full legal detail, the warranty terms and
conditions of each and every hardware manufacturer?


> ... which will not be affected by the installed OS or if any OS is
> being installed at all.


Hence my use of the word "possibly." I have, in the past, encountered
situations in which the use of an OS for which the hardware was not
specifically designed did indeed void the warranty, at least from the
vendor's point of view. While this situation isn't common, it can
occur, as each vendor has the right to set its own warranty terms and
conditions.


> Scary strategy is outdated.
>


There' nothing "scary" about warning people about possible problems and
advising them to check for them. In fact, I'd find it unconscionable to
do otherwise. It'd be much like telling someone that "This street is
never busy, so you don't need to look both ways before crossing." As
for being out-dated, nonsense. It's as simple as the timeless "Look
before you leap."


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Bruce is 100% correct! See the following example:

"Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware
issues with technical support."

Ref:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...reg_R1002_USEN




xfile wrote:
>> Secondly, removing an OEM-installed operating system and replacing it with
>> another will almost invariably void any and all support agreements and,
>> possibly, even the warranty. You would, at the very least, have to
>> re-install Vista before getting any support from the manufacturer.
>
> You have been saying this for very long which is a misleading statement.
>
> As far as I know, the term "warranty" almost always refers to "hardware
> malfunction" which will not be affected by the installed OS or if any OS is
> being installed at all. Support agreement will be a different story.
>
> Scary strategy is outdated.
>
> "Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
> news:ObXo$...
>> GIJewishPenguin wrote:
>>> I have Windows Vista 32 on my computer and i was wondering what i would
>>> need to install windows XP over that.
>>
>> You *cannot* install any version of WinXP _over_ any version of Vista
>> under any circumstances; only a format of the hard drive and a clean
>> installation of WinXP could possibly work.
>>
>>
>>> I was reading some places that a
>>> Windows XP OEM will only work on the computer it came with. is this
>>> true? Will i need to buy a retail version of XP to install onto my
>>> computer? or will the OEM product work?\
>>>
>>
>> It depends upon the specific type of OEM WinXP installation CD you have.
>> A non-branded, generic OEM CD would probably install, assuming that the
>> computer will support a legacy OS, such as WinXP. However, an OEM version
>> must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard
>> drive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on
>> which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally
>> transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.
>>
>> If you happen to have a heretofore unused OEM license for WinXP, you could
>> legitimately use it. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase a new license for
>> WinXP.
>>
>> Beware, however:
>>
>> There could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of which you
>> should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer model in
>> question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no
>> WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's diverse
>> components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer about the
>> availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an OEM-installed
>> operating system and replacing it with another will almost invariably void
>> any and all support agreements and, possibly, even the warranty. You
>> would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before getting any
>> support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the computer's manufacturer
>> for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the additional cost involved in
>> purchasing a WinXP license for this new computer.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>> Russell
>>
>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
>> killed a great many philosophers.
>> ~ Denis Diderot
>
>

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:11:58 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<3t> wrote:

>As
>for being out-dated, nonsense. It's as simple as the timeless "Look
>before you leap."

"He who hesitates is lost".

>Secondly, removing an OEM-installed operating system and replacing it with
>another will almost invariably void any and all support agreements and,
>possibly, even the warranty. You would, at the very least, have to
>re-install Vista before getting any support from the manufacturer.

You have been saying this for very long which is a misleading statement.

As far as I know, the term "warranty" almost always refers to "hardware
malfunction" which will not be affected by the installed OS or if any OS is
being installed at all. Support agreement will be a different story.

Scary strategy is outdated.

"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
news:ObXo$...
> GIJewishPenguin wrote:
>> I have Windows Vista 32 on my computer and i was wondering what i would
>> need to install windows XP over that.
>
>
> You *cannot* install any version of WinXP _over_ any version of Vista
> under any circumstances; only a format of the hard drive and a clean
> installation of WinXP could possibly work.
>
>
>> I was reading some places that a
>> Windows XP OEM will only work on the computer it came with. is this
>> true? Will i need to buy a retail version of XP to install onto my
>> computer? or will the OEM product work?\
>>
>
>
> It depends upon the specific type of OEM WinXP installation CD you have.
> A non-branded, generic OEM CD would probably install, assuming that the
> computer will support a legacy OS, such as WinXP. However, an OEM version
> must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard
> drive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on
> which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally
> transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.
>
> If you happen to have a heretofore unused OEM license for WinXP, you could
> legitimately use it. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase a new license for
> WinXP.
>
> Beware, however:
>
> There could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of which you
> should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer model in
> question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no
> WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's diverse
> components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer about the
> availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an OEM-installed
> operating system and replacing it with another will almost invariably void
> any and all support agreements and, possibly, even the warranty. You
> would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before getting any
> support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the computer's manufacturer
> for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the additional cost involved in
> purchasing a WinXP license for this new computer.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot

> "Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
> software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware issues
> with technical support."

Didn't I say that support agreement will be a different story?


"Leroy" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Bruce is 100% correct! See the following example:
>
> "Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
> software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware issues
> with technical support."
>
> Ref:
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...reg_R1002_USEN
>
>
>
>
> xfile wrote:
>>> Secondly, removing an OEM-installed operating system and replacing it
>>> with another will almost invariably void any and all support agreements
>>> and, possibly, even the warranty. You would, at the very least, have to
>>> re-install Vista before getting any support from the manufacturer.
>>
>> You have been saying this for very long which is a misleading statement.
>>
>> As far as I know, the term "warranty" almost always refers to "hardware
>> malfunction" which will not be affected by the installed OS or if any OS
>> is being installed at all. Support agreement will be a different story.
>>
>> Scary strategy is outdated.
>>
>> "Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
>> news:ObXo$...
>>> GIJewishPenguin wrote:
>>>> I have Windows Vista 32 on my computer and i was wondering what i would
>>>> need to install windows XP over that.
>>>
>>> You *cannot* install any version of WinXP _over_ any version of Vista
>>> under any circumstances; only a format of the hard drive and a clean
>>> installation of WinXP could possibly work.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was reading some places that a
>>>> Windows XP OEM will only work on the computer it came with. is this
>>>> true? Will i need to buy a retail version of XP to install onto my
>>>> computer? or will the OEM product work?\
>>>>
>>>
>>> It depends upon the specific type of OEM WinXP installation CD you have.
>>> A non-branded, generic OEM CD would probably install, assuming that the
>>> computer will support a legacy OS, such as WinXP. However, an OEM
>>> version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or
>>> hard drive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first
>>> PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not
>>> legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.
>>>
>>> If you happen to have a heretofore unused OEM license for WinXP, you
>>> could legitimately use it. Otherwise, you'll need to purchase a new
>>> license for WinXP.
>>>
>>> Beware, however:
>>>
>>> There could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of which you
>>> should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer model in
>>> question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no
>>> WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's diverse
>>> components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer about the
>>> availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an OEM-installed
>>> operating system and replacing it with another will almost invariably
>>> void any and all support agreements and, possibly, even the warranty.
>>> You would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before getting
>>> any support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the computer's
>>> manufacturer for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the additional cost
>>> involved in purchasing a WinXP license for this new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Chambers
>>>
>>> Help us help you:
>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>>>
>>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>>
>>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>>> Russell
>>>
>>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
>>> killed a great many philosophers.
>>> ~ Denis Diderot
>>

> Hence my use of the word "possibly." I have, in the past, encountered
> situations in which the use of an OS for which the hardware was not
> specifically designed did indeed void the warranty, at least from the
> vendor's point of view. While this situation isn't common, it can occur,
> as each vendor has the right to set its own warranty terms and conditions.

You must be dealing with a local computer and "possibly" owned by an MVP.

"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
news:...
> xfile wrote:
>
>>
>> You have been saying this for very long which is a misleading statement.
>>
>
>
> Not misleading, at all.
>
>
>> As far as I know, the term "warranty" almost always refers to "hardware
>> malfunction"...
>
>
> So, you've examined, in full legal detail, the warranty terms and
> conditions of each and every hardware manufacturer?
>
>
>> ... which will not be affected by the installed OS or if any OS is being
>> installed at all.
>
>
> Hence my use of the word "possibly." I have, in the past, encountered
> situations in which the use of an OS for which the hardware was not
> specifically designed did indeed void the warranty, at least from the
> vendor's point of view. While this situation isn't common, it can occur,
> as each vendor has the right to set its own warranty terms and conditions.
>
>
>> Scary strategy is outdated.
>>
>
>
> There' nothing "scary" about warning people about possible problems and
> advising them to check for them. In fact, I'd find it unconscionable to
> do otherwise. It'd be much like telling someone that "This street is
> never busy, so you don't need to look both ways before crossing." As for
> being out-dated, nonsense. It's as simple as the timeless "Look before
> you leap."
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:29:51 -0700, "xfile" <> wrote:

>> "Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
>> software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware issues
>> with technical support."
>
>Didn't I say that support agreement will be a different story?
>
>
There have been cases here in the UK where the vendor (usually a big
chain), selling their own (perhaps extended) warranty with the the
machanine, has refused to touch a machine where the OS has been
changed from the preinstalled one - some have even refused to honour
the warranty/service agreement in the case where the AV has been
changed.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/13/pc_world_linux/
In that case, the firm later claimed "there had simply been a
misunderstanding" and said they'd fix it - but only after being
contacted by the press.
there are other cases.
--
Noel Paton
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Hi,

Correct me if I was wrong,

The story was reported maybe because it was an unusual incident unlike some
suggested that it is totally up to each vendor's own interpretation?

The firm immediately changed their claim and practice maybe also because
they reckoned the same?

Again, the following is the original statement from Bruce Chambers:

>Secondly, removing an OEM-installed operating system and replacing it with
>another will almost invariably void any and all support agreements and,
>possibly, even the warranty. You would, at the very least, have to
>re-install Vista before getting any support from the manufacturer.

Essentially, he is saying that by removing the original OS, one will void
"any and all" support agreements, and additionally, may even void the
warranty (based on his personal experiences with unknown vendors?). And
that, one "at the very least" have to reinstall Vista before getting "any"
support from the manufacturer.

The following was provided by Leory (in support to Bruce Chambers) which
actually is a standard term for the majority of well-established system
providers:

>"Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
>software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware
>issues with technical support."

As anyone with reasonable experience would have known that troubleshooting
is a process of determining the cause and problematic effects which could
involve with various scenarios that may or may not relate to the installed
OS. Thus, one "may" need to install the original OS during some
troubleshooting scenarios to determine if it's an OS-related issue.

I don't see anywhere about one "must" install the original OS in order to
get "any" support or the warranty.

> there are other cases.

Sure. This is a BIG world and there are all kinds of people owning a shop
at some place including crooks and those don't know what they are talking
about.

The question, however, is that should we replace the industry norm and
standard established by well-trained professionals with those from crooks
and then use it as a universal consensus?

That also is the difference between a gentle reminder and a scary tactic.

"Noel Paton" <noeldp/spamless/@crashfixpc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:...
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:29:51 -0700, "xfile" <> wrote:
>
>>> "Changing the operating system may require you to reinstall the original
>>> software image when troubleshooting possible software and hardware
>>> issues
>>> with technical support."
>>
>>Didn't I say that support agreement will be a different story?
>>
>>
> There have been cases here in the UK where the vendor (usually a big
> chain), selling their own (perhaps extended) warranty with the the
> machanine, has refused to touch a machine where the OS has been
> changed from the preinstalled one - some have even refused to honour
> the warranty/service agreement in the case where the AV has been
> changed.
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/13/pc_world_linux/
> In that case, the firm later claimed "there had simply been a
> misunderstanding" and said they'd fix it - but only after being
> contacted by the press.
> there are other cases.
> --
> Noel Paton
> www.crashfixpc.co.uk
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi