Re: Intel vs. the OLPC (It's like Bambi vs Godzilla)

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>
>
> <quote>
>
> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop
> Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more cheap,
> rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.

It was a good idea.


> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area: the
> Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and finicky.
> When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or Yahoo! Games
> suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the XO's small memory
> capacity.

That's more than likely Linux, not memory.


> Intel's Classmate, on the other hand, connected to the same wi-fi network
> and was playing 9-inch videos of Korean break dancing within seconds. Other
> dynamic Web sites, like games and photo sites, also loaded without a hitch.

Of course.......


> That means that as the computing world shifts to the Web from the
> increasingly irrelevant desktop, Intel's Classmate could flourish while the
> XO is left behind.

Typical Linux......


> For all of OLPC's brilliant bells and whistles, the
> nonprofit has created a closed platform that isn't capable of using Windows
> programs--not to mention a constantly evolving ecosystem of Web
> applications.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux where things, just sort of work.

> In fact, the XO's isolation from the Web might have been a reason why
> consumers didn't snap them up during the buy-one-donate-one promotion that
> allowed U.S. consumers to purchase XOs between November and January--the
> promotion ended Jan. 1. Only 62,000 or so machines were sold to Americans.

Consumers didn't snap them up because they were loaded with Linux.


> But the most important factor by far in the Classmate's favor? Once that
> rural Indian nine-year-old gets a peak at YouTube, the XO doesn't stand a
> chance.

Typical Linux once again.




> </quote>


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

if there was no OLPC there would be no wintel version.

MS got afraid that millions would start using Linux and it was a nitch...
they had to stop.

I don't like your comments and I don't like your style... you come across
like a stupid snob and that's probably what you are.

Thumbs down to losers like you...

Let the world avoid small minded people like you and go forward and do
better things.

"Moshe Goldfarb" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>>
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One
>> Laptop
>> Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more cheap,
>> rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.
>
> It was a good idea.
>
>
>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>> the
>> Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>> finicky.
>> When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or Yahoo!
>> Games
>> suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the XO's small
>> memory
>> capacity.
>
> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.
>
>
>> Intel's Classmate, on the other hand, connected to the same wi-fi network
>> and was playing 9-inch videos of Korean break dancing within seconds.
>> Other
>> dynamic Web sites, like games and photo sites, also loaded without a
>> hitch.
>
> Of course.......
>
>
>> That means that as the computing world shifts to the Web from the
>> increasingly irrelevant desktop, Intel's Classmate could flourish while
>> the
>> XO is left behind.
>
> Typical Linux......
>
>
>> For all of OLPC's brilliant bells and whistles, the
>> nonprofit has created a closed platform that isn't capable of using
>> Windows
>> programs--not to mention a constantly evolving ecosystem of Web
>> applications.
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux where things, just sort of work.
>
>> In fact, the XO's isolation from the Web might have been a reason why
>> consumers didn't snap them up during the buy-one-donate-one promotion
>> that
>> allowed U.S. consumers to purchase XOs between November and January--the
>> promotion ended Jan. 1. Only 62,000 or so machines were sold to
>> Americans.
>
> Consumers didn't snap them up because they were loaded with Linux.
>
>
>> But the most important factor by far in the Classmate's favor? Once that
>> rural Indian nine-year-old gets a peak at YouTube, the XO doesn't stand a
>> chance.
>
> Typical Linux once again.
>
>
>
>
>> </quote>
>
>
> --
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:28:11 +0300, oh great wrote:

> if there was no OLPC there would be no wintel version.
>
> MS got afraid that millions would start using Linux and it was a nitch...
> they had to stop.
>
> I don't like your comments and I don't like your style... you come across
> like a stupid snob and that's probably what you are.
>
> Thumbs down to losers like you...
>
> Let the world avoid small minded people like you and go forward and do
> better things.
>
> "Moshe Goldfarb" <> wrote in message
> news...
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>>>
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One
>>> Laptop
>>> Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more cheap,
>>> rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.
>>
>> It was a good idea.
>>
>>
>>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>>> the
>>> Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>>> finicky.
>>> When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or Yahoo!
>>> Games
>>> suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the XO's small
>>> memory
>>> capacity.
>>
>> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.
>>
>>
>>> Intel's Classmate, on the other hand, connected to the same wi-fi network
>>> and was playing 9-inch videos of Korean break dancing within seconds.
>>> Other
>>> dynamic Web sites, like games and photo sites, also loaded without a
>>> hitch.
>>
>> Of course.......
>>
>>
>>> That means that as the computing world shifts to the Web from the
>>> increasingly irrelevant desktop, Intel's Classmate could flourish while
>>> the
>>> XO is left behind.
>>
>> Typical Linux......
>>
>>
>>> For all of OLPC's brilliant bells and whistles, the
>>> nonprofit has created a closed platform that isn't capable of using
>>> Windows
>>> programs--not to mention a constantly evolving ecosystem of Web
>>> applications.
>>
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux where things, just sort of work.
>>
>>> In fact, the XO's isolation from the Web might have been a reason why
>>> consumers didn't snap them up during the buy-one-donate-one promotion
>>> that
>>> allowed U.S. consumers to purchase XOs between November and January--the
>>> promotion ended Jan. 1. Only 62,000 or so machines were sold to
>>> Americans.
>>
>> Consumers didn't snap them up because they were loaded with Linux.
>>
>>
>>> But the most important factor by far in the Classmate's favor? Once that
>>> rural Indian nine-year-old gets a peak at YouTube, the XO doesn't stand a
>>> chance.
>>
>> Typical Linux once again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Moshe Goldfarb
>> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
>> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
>> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Stop top posting.
It makes you look the fool.......

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:28:11 +0300, oh great wrote:
>
>> if there was no OLPC there would be no wintel version.
>>
>> MS got afraid that millions would start using Linux and it was a nitch...
>> they had to stop.
>>
>> I don't like your comments and I don't like your style... you come across
>> like a stupid snob and that's probably what you are.
>>
>> Thumbs down to losers like you...
>>
>> Let the world avoid small minded people like you and go forward and do
>> better things.
>>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <> wrote in message
>> news...
>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>>
http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>>
>>>> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One
>>>> Laptop
>>>> Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more
>>>> cheap, rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.
>>>
>>> It was a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>>>> the
>>>> Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>>>> finicky.
>>>> When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or Yahoo!
>>>> Games
>>>> suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the XO's small
>>>> memory
>>>> capacity.
>>>
>>> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Intel's Classmate, on the other hand, connected to the same wi-fi
>>>> network and was playing 9-inch videos of Korean break dancing within
>>>> seconds. Other
>>>> dynamic Web sites, like games and photo sites, also loaded without a
>>>> hitch.
>>>
>>> Of course.......
>>>
>>>
>>>> That means that as the computing world shifts to the Web from the
>>>> increasingly irrelevant desktop, Intel's Classmate could flourish while
>>>> the
>>>> XO is left behind.
>>>
>>> Typical Linux......
>>>
>>>
>>>> For all of OLPC's brilliant bells and whistles, the
>>>> nonprofit has created a closed platform that isn't capable of using
>>>> Windows
>>>> programs--not to mention a constantly evolving ecosystem of Web
>>>> applications.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux where things, just sort of work.
>>>
>>>> In fact, the XO's isolation from the Web might have been a reason why
>>>> consumers didn't snap them up during the buy-one-donate-one promotion
>>>> that
>>>> allowed U.S. consumers to purchase XOs between November and
>>>> January--the promotion ended Jan. 1. Only 62,000 or so machines were
>>>> sold to Americans.
>>>
>>> Consumers didn't snap them up because they were loaded with Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But the most important factor by far in the Classmate's favor? Once
>>>> that rural Indian nine-year-old gets a peak at YouTube, the XO doesn't
>>>> stand a chance.
>>>
>>> Typical Linux once again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
>>> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
>>> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>
> Stop top posting.
> It makes you look the fool.......
>
I agree about top posting is NOT for Usenet. But in YOUR case, it doesn't
matter where you post, you always look the fool.

Cheers.

--
The world can't afford the rich.

alt.os.linux.ubuntu - where the lunatic Hadron is a "Linux advocate"

Francis (Frank) adds a new "gadget" to his Vista box ...
Download it here: http://tinyurl.com/2hnof6

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:23:27 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>> the Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>> finicky. When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or
>> Yahoo! Games suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the
>> XO's small memory capacity.
>
> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.

No, it's Adobe Flash Player. Flash Player is a *real* CPU hog and using
it on anything less than a 1 GHz machine is an unpleasant experience,
regardless of OS or browser.

XO - AMD Geode at 433 MHz
Classmate - Celeron M at 900 MHz

Flash Player is appaulingly inefficient. Using mplayer I can get smooth
playback of a YouTube flv on a PII 266 MHz machine at around 25% CPU.
Using the same machine to watch it with Flash Player maxes the CPU and
yields about 1 frame per second video. Adobe are trying to port this
sloth to the iPhone (ARM at 620 MHz) - I wish them luck.





--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On 2008-04-04, Snowbat <> wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:23:27 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>>> the Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>>> finicky. When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or
>>> Yahoo! Games suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the
>>> XO's small memory capacity.
>>
>> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.
>
> No, it's Adobe Flash Player. Flash Player is a *real* CPU hog and using
> it on anything less than a 1 GHz machine is an unpleasant experience,
> regardless of OS or browser.

Works great for my kid on his 256 MB Ubuntu laptop.

(such as webkinz.com).

I think that this is indeed due to bad wifi.

i

> XO - AMD Geode at 433 MHz
> Classmate - Celeron M at 900 MHz
>
> Flash Player is appaulingly inefficient. Using mplayer I can get smooth
> playback of a YouTube flv on a PII 266 MHz machine at around 25% CPU.
> Using the same machine to watch it with Flash Player maxes the CPU and
> yields about 1 frame per second video. Adobe are trying to port this
> sloth to the iPhone (ARM at 620 MHz) - I wish them luck.
>
>
>
>
>

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>>
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop
>> Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more cheap,
>> rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.
>
> It was a good idea.
>
>
>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area: the
>> Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and finicky.
>> When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or Yahoo! Games
>> suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the XO's small memory
>> capacity.
>
> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.

From the Forbes article:

"The $489 machine, built by the Portland, Ore.-based Computer Technology
Link, comes loaded with Microsoft's Windows XP operating system and a 40
gigabyte hard drive, a built-in Webcam, a nine-inch screen and one
gigabyte of memory, along with a bright blue cover that doubles as a
handle."

I wonder what these poor people will do once Microsoft stops supporting
XP. Maybe they'll install Vista?

Oh ... and BTW how much does an XO cost compared to the Classmate?
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ssmate-pc.html
says "If Intel can keep the cost of the Classmate PC below $300 [...]
OLPC's XO laptop is very functional despite its hardware limitations and
can probably provide all that students and teachers in target countries
need for only $140".
(http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/06/i...lpc-in-brazil/
even mentions "around $400 for Intel's fledgling Classmate PC, $140 for
the cute little OLPC")

Oh ... and BTW How much does a Classmate with XP cots compared to a
Classmate with Linux?

--
These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Siemens Computers!
Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
Company Details: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/imprint.html

"oh great" <> wrote in message
news:47f58424$...
> if there was no OLPC there would be no wintel version.
>
> MS got afraid that millions would start using Linux and it was a nitch...
> they had to stop.

Don't be stupid.. Intel wanted to sell cpus and the OLPC group wanted to use
something else even if it cost more.
This annoyed Intel and they are better at engineering stuff for production
than the rest so they built an alternative that was better. I doubt if M$
had anything to do with it.


I know there is an irrational hate of M$ amongst a lot of linux users but
trying to pin this on them is silly.

And before you blame Intel just remember who made linux possible in the
first place.. the 386 was specifically designed to run unix and was the
first CPU with a standard MMU so that things like linux were "easy" to do.
Without them there would probably be loads of different unicies with odd
page sizes, etc. like there was before Intel did the 386 family and no MMU
at all in PCs. (BTW I know you can run unix without an MMU but swapping (as
opposed to paging) is so old hat.)

> I doubt if M$ had anything to do with it.

Intel can run linux too... Naive extrodinair? Or just plain stupid? Of
course MS is behind this!
I dont hate MS, I am an XP fan, and I use office and other products of MS.
But I dont agree with everything they do, and i also think vista is their
worst product.

> And before you blame Intel
I dont blame intel, I never blamed intel. Intel just makes chips.
Its an OS war and MS is doing everything to be sure it will dominate in 3rd
world countires because they are the majority of the population of the
earth... you should see Bill G in china ... lol....

Oh they are scared to death that Linux will become popular in third world
countires and whats a better way to stop it?
Stomp out free computers with linux given to children. They have battled
this gesture of humanitarian act, like their worse enemy,
what morons! And Bill G has the nerve to call himself a humanitarian? He is
one, as long as he sees the MS flag waving on every country. They should be
ashamed of themselves mixing up corporate politics with laptops for
children..

asswipes

"dennis@home" <> wrote in message
news:ft4p11$7d2$...
>
>
> "oh great" <> wrote in message
> news:47f58424$...
>> if there was no OLPC there would be no wintel version.
>>
>> MS got afraid that millions would start using Linux and it was a nitch...
>> they had to stop.
>
> Don't be stupid.. Intel wanted to sell cpus and the OLPC group wanted to
> use something else even if it cost more.
> This annoyed Intel and they are better at engineering stuff for production
> than the rest so they built an alternative that was better. I doubt if M$
> had anything to do with it.
>
>
> I know there is an irrational hate of M$ amongst a lot of linux users but
> trying to pin this on them is silly.
>
> And before you blame Intel just remember who made linux possible in the
> first place.. the 386 was specifically designed to run unix and was the
> first CPU with a standard MMU so that things like linux were "easy" to do.
> Without them there would probably be loads of different unicies with odd
> page sizes, etc. like there was before Intel did the 386 family and no MMU
> at all in PCs. (BTW I know you can run unix without an MMU but swapping
> (as opposed to paging) is so old hat.)

you sound like you work for ms, or at least are a fanboy wearing an I love
vista cap drinking coolaid


"Josef Moellers" <> wrote in message
news:ft4nuh$ee$...
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:26:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/home/technolog...0403intel.html
>>>
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>> For months, computer chip maker Intel and Nicholas Negroponte's One
>>> Laptop Per Child program have fought bitterly over which could sell more
>>> cheap, rugged laptops to schools in Asia, Africa and South America.
>>
>> It was a good idea.
>>
>>
>>> But for all that high-minded ambition, the XO falls flat in a key area:
>>> the Web. In Forbes.com's tests, the XO's wi-fi connection was weak and
>>> finicky. When it did connect, Flash or Java-based sites like YouTube or
>>> Yahoo! Games suffered from crippling sputters and stalls, thanks to the
>>> XO's small memory capacity.
>>
>> That's more than likely Linux, not memory.
>
> From the Forbes article:
>
> "The $489 machine, built by the Portland, Ore.-based Computer Technology
> Link, comes loaded with Microsoft's Windows XP operating system and a 40
> gigabyte hard drive, a built-in Webcam, a nine-inch screen and one
> gigabyte of memory, along with a bright blue cover that doubles as a
> handle."
>
> I wonder what these poor people will do once Microsoft stops supporting
> XP. Maybe they'll install Vista?
>
> Oh ... and BTW how much does an XO cost compared to the Classmate?
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ssmate-pc.html
> says "If Intel can keep the cost of the Classmate PC below $300 [...]
> OLPC's XO laptop is very functional despite its hardware limitations and
> can probably provide all that students and teachers in target countries
> need for only $140".
> (http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/06/i...lpc-in-brazil/
> even mentions "around $400 for Intel's fledgling Classmate PC, $140 for
> the cute little OLPC")
>
> Oh ... and BTW How much does a Classmate with XP cots compared to a
> Classmate with Linux?
>
> --
> These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Siemens Computers!
> Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
> If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
> Company Details: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/imprint.html