Re: Issue with MS07-002 and Office 2000

Forwarded to microsoft.public.officeupdate and
microsoft.public.windowsupdate newsgroups via crosspost.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

notion wrote:
> We have thousands of computers with Office 2000 installed from a
> slipstreamed Office 2000 admin install that includes Office 2000 SP3. We
> are unable to use the patch from MS07-002
> (office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe) to update the machines.
>
> I've noticed the following:
> 1. The .MSP file inside the executable is named Excel.MSP rather than
> Excelff.MSP like all previous full-fiile Office patches. I'm wondering if
> this is not a full-file patch.
> 2. The issue is related to Ohotfix.exe which is a part of the
> office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe file and also what we use to install
> patches in our Office 2000 installation. The ohotfix log shows this:
> "Product {00020409-78E1-11D2-B60F-006097C998E7} Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1
> Standard Version 9.00.9327: Admin image contains an older patch. Cannot
> patch. The update failed."
> 3. The patch for Outlook in MS07-003 includes the file Outlookff.MSP and
> works fine.
> 4. I have tested a few different versions of Ohotfix.exe with the
> Excel.msp
> patch with the same failed results.
> 5. If I run the Excel.msp file independently of Ohotfix.exe, the patch can
> be installed successfully.
> 6. The Excel patch in MS06-059 worked fine. MS07-002 is supposed to
> replace
> that patch.
>
> Thanks.

Question: How did you extract it from the update file?

--
<*(((><

~~~~~~~~~~~~


"tyvat" <> wrote in message
news:63A3BA1A-5B9C-47BB-9A43-...
> We have the same problem. We also found that the
> office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe file contains EXCEL.msp rather than
> EXCELff.msp.
>
> I extracted the .msp from older Excel & Word fullfile updates & found that
> they are named EXCELff.msp & WINWORDff.msp.
>
> I suspect that EXCEL.msp is NOT the fullfile update or is missing
> something
> internally that indicates to OHotFix that it is a fullfile update. Here's
> why
> I believe this:
>
> Using Notepad, I opened the EXCELff.msp file from the previous Excel
> update
> (office2000-kb923090-fullfile-enu.exe). I did a FIND on "fullfile". I
> found
> the following string repeated numerous times in the last 1/8 of the file:
>
> Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11350;FullFile; ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8950
>
> Again, using notepad, I opened EXCEL.msp from
> office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe & did a FIND on "fullfile".
> "FullFile"
> does not occur in EXCEL.msp.
>
> Looking near the end of the file, I found a string similar to the above
> repeated numerous times:
>
> Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11355;ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8955
>
> So perhaps the above string should be
>
> Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11355;FullFile; ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8955
>
> if EXCEL.msp is the fullfile update.
>
> Or...perhaps EXCEL.msp is the binary update & not the fullfile update.
>
> Hope this helps MS figure out what's wrong with
> office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe.
>
> "PA Bear" wrote:
>
>> Forwarded to microsoft.public.officeupdate and
>> microsoft.public.windowsupdate newsgroups via crosspost.
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
>>
>> notion wrote:
>> > We have thousands of computers with Office 2000 installed from a
>> > slipstreamed Office 2000 admin install that includes Office 2000 SP3.
>> > We
>> > are unable to use the patch from MS07-002
>> > (office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe) to update the machines.
>> >
>> > I've noticed the following:
>> > 1. The .MSP file inside the executable is named Excel.MSP rather than
>> > Excelff.MSP like all previous full-fiile Office patches. I'm wondering
>> > if
>> > this is not a full-file patch.
>> > 2. The issue is related to Ohotfix.exe which is a part of the
>> > office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe file and also what we use to
>> > install
>> > patches in our Office 2000 installation. The ohotfix log shows this:
>> > "Product {00020409-78E1-11D2-B60F-006097C998E7} Microsoft Office 2000
>> > SR-1
>> > Standard Version 9.00.9327: Admin image contains an older patch.
>> > Cannot
>> > patch. The update failed."
>> > 3. The patch for Outlook in MS07-003 includes the file Outlookff.MSP
>> > and
>> > works fine.
>> > 4. I have tested a few different versions of Ohotfix.exe with the
>> > Excel.msp
>> > patch with the same failed results.
>> > 5. If I run the Excel.msp file independently of Ohotfix.exe, the patch
>> > can
>> > be installed successfully.
>> > 6. The Excel patch in MS06-059 worked fine. MS07-002 is supposed to
>> > replace
>> > that patch.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>>
>>

Hi Tyvat,

It's not so much a matter of 'what's wrong' as what has changed with both Office and the MS Installer since Office 2000 was
released.

When Office 2000 first came out, and was the first version of MS Office to use the MS Installer, the Installer did not yet have a
capability for handling 'full-file' updates. Office XP and later don't have that issue.

The update at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/835220&FR=1
does add that capability, but it's not an update that can be relied upon to be in each user's PC, in part, because not everyone
updates so critical updates can't rely on the ability to handle the fullfile updating for that version of Office so the binary
patch files are provided. (Keep in mind that Office 2000 was also the last version to have Service Release (SR) updates, where a
complete new/updated product CD with the SR(s) installed was made available)

=============
<<"tyvat" <> wrote in message news:63A3BA1A-5B9C-47BB-9A43-...
We have the same problem. We also found that the
office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe file contains EXCEL.msp rather than
EXCELff.msp.

I extracted the .msp from older Excel & Word fullfile updates & found that
they are named EXCELff.msp & WINWORDff.msp.

I suspect that EXCEL.msp is NOT the fullfile update or is missing something
internally that indicates to OHotFix that it is a fullfile update. Here's why
I believe this:

Using Notepad, I opened the EXCELff.msp file from the previous Excel update
(office2000-kb923090-fullfile-enu.exe). I did a FIND on "fullfile". I found
the following string repeated numerous times in the last 1/8 of the file:

Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11350;FullFile; ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8950

Again, using notepad, I opened EXCEL.msp from
office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe & did a FIND on "fullfile". "FullFile"
does not occur in EXCEL.msp.

Looking near the end of the file, I found a string similar to the above
repeated numerous times:

Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11355;ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8955

So perhaps the above string should be

Office 2000 Hotfix;EXCEL;11355;FullFile; ALL;; excel.exe9.0.0.8955

if EXCEL.msp is the fullfile update.

Or...perhaps EXCEL.msp is the binary update & not the fullfile update.

Hope this helps MS figure out what's wrong with
office2000-kb925524-fullfile-enu.exe. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*