Re: KB885250 Problem

No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250 is
installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among other
issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of windows xp sp2
machines.


"Malke" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Outrage wrote:
>
>> KB885250 is causing problems when files or applications are shared
>> from Windows 95/98/Me machines. In the case of our DOS multi-user
>> database application, if the application and data reside on a 95/98/Me
>> machine, a user on XP that has this security update installed is not
>> allowed to create any files from the application on the host machine.
>>
>> This is a major problem, and the only solution I have at this point is
>> to have users uninstall this update.
>>
>> Is anyone aware of a way to install the update and change something
>> that will allow shared files and applications on 95/98/Me machines to
>> function properly?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Here's information I found provided by another MVP:
>
> KB885250, an update from 2/8/2005 can cause file and printer sharing
> problems under Windows networking and SAMBA.
>
> XP SP2 clients seem unaffected, the issue surfacing for XP SP1 clients
> with this hotfix applied. If your attempt to use SMB shares seems
> compromised after last week's hotfixes, remove KB885250.
>
> See this MS Knowledge Base article:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-011.mspx
>
> Check in the section "Vulnerability Details, Workarounds" for several
> approaches to providing the protection of the hotfix without using the
> hotfix.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"

Manuel Lopez wrote:

> No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250
> is installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among
> other issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of
> windows xp sp2 machines.
>
Thanks, Manuel. I'll change my notes accordingly. I have to go on what
others have reported since I haven't had any problems with that update
personally on any of the XP boxen (all SP2) and haven't had any
problems with interoperability with Samba on the Linux boxen.

I appreciate the update.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

I had other issues in my work environment. My Windows 2000 Professional SP3
admin workstation BSOD'ed after applying the latest round of security
updates. Looking at the updated file lists I suspect that the KB885250 was
the culprit. Replacing .SYS files means potentially affecting the boot
environment. I couldn't get my workstation into Windows by using any of the
Safe Modes or using the Last Known Good Configuration option. Had to wipe it
out and reinstall from scratch.

Looks like this KB885250 update might be *almost* as catastrophic as the
infamous Windows NT 4.0 SP6, which broke TCP/IP. Hence the rush release of
SP6a. Glad that I tested the 2/2005 updates on my own workstation before
rolling them out companywide!

"Malke" wrote:

> Manuel Lopez wrote:
>
> > No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250
> > is installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among
> > other issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of
> > windows xp sp2 machines.
> >
> Thanks, Manuel. I'll change my notes accordingly. I have to go on what
> others have reported since I haven't had any problems with that update
> personally on any of the XP boxen (all SP2) and haven't had any
> problems with interoperability with Samba on the Linux boxen.
>
> I appreciate the update.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
>

Hello Manuel Lopez,

I have been fighting this problem for several of my clients, I found a
hotfix that did not work, I still have the problem and I have also tested
this from a CMD prompt and here is my results.

When I isssue a "Dir" command by itself it reports no files or folders.

if I issue a "dir *.exe" I can see all the executables.

I have opened a ticket with MS and when they resolve the issue I will update
this post.

Garyp

==============================================

Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir
Volume in drive Z has no label.
Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA

Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit

File Not Found

Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir *.exe
Volume in drive Z has no label.
Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA

Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit

03/22/2005 07:13 AM 12,337,752 en_windows_server_2003_reskit.exe
03/30/2005 02:35 PM 392,552 q329357_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe
03/30/2005 11:46 AM 12,337,752 rktools.exe
03/18/2005 08:55 AM 4,934,480 WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe
4 File(s) 30,002,536 bytes
0 Dir(s) 49,053,638,656 bytes free

Z:\2003 Resource Kit>




"Manuel Lopez" wrote:

> No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250 is
> installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among other
> issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of windows xp sp2
> machines.
>
>
> "Malke" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Outrage wrote:
> >
> >> KB885250 is causing problems when files or applications are shared
> >> from Windows 95/98/Me machines. In the case of our DOS multi-user
> >> database application, if the application and data reside on a 95/98/Me
> >> machine, a user on XP that has this security update installed is not
> >> allowed to create any files from the application on the host machine.
> >>
> >> This is a major problem, and the only solution I have at this point is
> >> to have users uninstall this update.
> >>
> >> Is anyone aware of a way to install the update and change something
> >> that will allow shared files and applications on 95/98/Me machines to
> >> function properly?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >
> > Here's information I found provided by another MVP:
> >
> > KB885250, an update from 2/8/2005 can cause file and printer sharing
> > problems under Windows networking and SAMBA.
> >
> > XP SP2 clients seem unaffected, the issue surfacing for XP SP1 clients
> > with this hotfix applied. If your attempt to use SMB shares seems
> > compromised after last week's hotfixes, remove KB885250.
> >
> > See this MS Knowledge Base article:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-011.mspx
> >
> > Check in the section "Vulnerability Details, Workarounds" for several
> > approaches to providing the protection of the hotfix without using the
> > hotfix.
> >
> > Malke
> > --
> > MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
> > Elephant Boy Computers
> > www.elephantboycomputers.com
> > "Don't Panic!"
>
>
>

Thanks for your note. I'm waiting for xp sp3 to fix the problem (I assume
it will be fixed by then), and have removed kb 885250 from my systems and
also hidden it from appearing on windows update.


"Garyp" <> wrote in message
news:649306C7-555E-471B-9892-...
> Hello Manuel Lopez,
>
> I have been fighting this problem for several of my clients, I found a
> hotfix that did not work, I still have the problem and I have also tested
> this from a CMD prompt and here is my results.
>
> When I isssue a "Dir" command by itself it reports no files or folders.
>
> if I issue a "dir *.exe" I can see all the executables.
>
> I have opened a ticket with MS and when they resolve the issue I will
> update
> this post.
>
> Garyp
>
> ==============================================
>
> Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir
> Volume in drive Z has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA
>
> Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit
>
> File Not Found
>
> Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir *.exe
> Volume in drive Z has no label.
> Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA
>
> Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit
>
> 03/22/2005 07:13 AM 12,337,752 en_windows_server_2003_reskit.exe
> 03/30/2005 02:35 PM 392,552 q329357_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe
> 03/30/2005 11:46 AM 12,337,752 rktools.exe
> 03/18/2005 08:55 AM 4,934,480
> WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe
> 4 File(s) 30,002,536 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 49,053,638,656 bytes free
>
> Z:\2003 Resource Kit>
>
>
>
>
> "Manuel Lopez" wrote:
>
>> No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250 is
>> installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among other
>> issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of windows xp
>> sp2
>> machines.
>>
>>
>> "Malke" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > Outrage wrote:
>> >
>> >> KB885250 is causing problems when files or applications are shared
>> >> from Windows 95/98/Me machines. In the case of our DOS multi-user
>> >> database application, if the application and data reside on a 95/98/Me
>> >> machine, a user on XP that has this security update installed is not
>> >> allowed to create any files from the application on the host machine.
>> >>
>> >> This is a major problem, and the only solution I have at this point is
>> >> to have users uninstall this update.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone aware of a way to install the update and change something
>> >> that will allow shared files and applications on 95/98/Me machines to
>> >> function properly?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >
>> > Here's information I found provided by another MVP:
>> >
>> > KB885250, an update from 2/8/2005 can cause file and printer sharing
>> > problems under Windows networking and SAMBA.
>> >
>> > XP SP2 clients seem unaffected, the issue surfacing for XP SP1 clients
>> > with this hotfix applied. If your attempt to use SMB shares seems
>> > compromised after last week's hotfixes, remove KB885250.
>> >
>> > See this MS Knowledge Base article:
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-011.mspx
>> >
>> > Check in the section "Vulnerability Details, Workarounds" for several
>> > approaches to providing the protection of the hotfix without using the
>> > hotfix.
>> >
>> > Malke
>> > --
>> > MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
>> > Elephant Boy Computers
>> > www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> > "Don't Panic!"
>>
>>
>>

MS have at last acknowledged some of the problems with this hotfix.
Go to

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895900/

for details of another patch to fix the problem - if their comments apply.
Sounds like a new hotfix is on the way from Win Update

"Manuel Lopez" wrote:

> Thanks for your note. I'm waiting for xp sp3 to fix the problem (I assume
> it will be fixed by then), and have removed kb 885250 from my systems and
> also hidden it from appearing on windows update.
>
>
> "Garyp" <> wrote in message
> news:649306C7-555E-471B-9892-...
> > Hello Manuel Lopez,
> >
> > I have been fighting this problem for several of my clients, I found a
> > hotfix that did not work, I still have the problem and I have also tested
> > this from a CMD prompt and here is my results.
> >
> > When I isssue a "Dir" command by itself it reports no files or folders.
> >
> > if I issue a "dir *.exe" I can see all the executables.
> >
> > I have opened a ticket with MS and when they resolve the issue I will
> > update
> > this post.
> >
> > Garyp
> >
> > ==============================================
> >
> > Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir
> > Volume in drive Z has no label.
> > Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA
> >
> > Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit
> >
> > File Not Found
> >
> > Z:\2003 Resource Kit>dir *.exe
> > Volume in drive Z has no label.
> > Volume Serial Number is AAAA-AAAA
> >
> > Directory of Z:\2003 Resource Kit
> >
> > 03/22/2005 07:13 AM 12,337,752 en_windows_server_2003_reskit.exe
> > 03/30/2005 02:35 PM 392,552 q329357_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe
> > 03/30/2005 11:46 AM 12,337,752 rktools.exe
> > 03/18/2005 08:55 AM 4,934,480
> > WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe
> > 4 File(s) 30,002,536 bytes
> > 0 Dir(s) 49,053,638,656 bytes free
> >
> > Z:\2003 Resource Kit>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Manuel Lopez" wrote:
> >
> >> No, xp sp2 is ALSO affected by serious networking problems if 885250 is
> >> installed; the files in random folders become inaccessible, among other
> >> issues--and this is true even on networks consisting only of windows xp
> >> sp2
> >> machines.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Malke" <> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >> > Outrage wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> KB885250 is causing problems when files or applications are shared
> >> >> from Windows 95/98/Me machines. In the case of our DOS multi-user
> >> >> database application, if the application and data reside on a 95/98/Me
> >> >> machine, a user on XP that has this security update installed is not
> >> >> allowed to create any files from the application on the host machine.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a major problem, and the only solution I have at this point is
> >> >> to have users uninstall this update.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is anyone aware of a way to install the update and change something
> >> >> that will allow shared files and applications on 95/98/Me machines to
> >> >> function properly?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Here's information I found provided by another MVP:
> >> >
> >> > KB885250, an update from 2/8/2005 can cause file and printer sharing
> >> > problems under Windows networking and SAMBA.
> >> >
> >> > XP SP2 clients seem unaffected, the issue surfacing for XP SP1 clients
> >> > with this hotfix applied. If your attempt to use SMB shares seems
> >> > compromised after last week's hotfixes, remove KB885250.
> >> >
> >> > See this MS Knowledge Base article:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-011.mspx
> >> >
> >> > Check in the section "Vulnerability Details, Workarounds" for several
> >> > approaches to providing the protection of the hotfix without using the
> >> > hotfix.
> >> >
> >> > Malke
> >> > --
> >> > MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
> >> > Elephant Boy Computers
> >> > www.elephantboycomputers.com
> >> > "Don't Panic!"
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>