Re: Latest Outlook Express for MSIE8?

OE and IE8 are unrelated.

OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use FireFox,
which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to Outlook
Express would be Thunderbird.

OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or earlier
Windows operating systems.





"Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
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>I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
> occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the latest
> appropriate version.
>
> But OE Help > About says
> 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
> 2004 Microsoft Corporation.
>
> That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm right,
> then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much googling it's
> proving quite elusive.
>
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

"Jeff Strickland" <> wrote in message
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> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>
> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to
> Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>
> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
> Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or earlier
> Windows operating systems.
>

Actually, Win7 does not include any email client.

In news:i5duo7$70v$,
Jeff Strickland typed on Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:33:04 -0700:
> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>
> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent
> to Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.

Don't you ever feel all of the pain of all the harm that you have
caused? I used Thunderbird for years and it is just awful! As it is so
complicated to do the simplest things! You have to set up rules
individually for every single newsgroup. Set up a signature for every
single account! Setup where all of the folders are at for every single
account. And that tab thing under Thunderbird 3 is just awful! I want
windows, not tabs! What good is a GUI if you don't have windows? Sure
you can have a window under Thunderbird 3, but it is more work for each
and every message. Thunderbird is really brain dead compared to OE6 with
OE-QuoteFix. There is no CTRL-H feature either! That makes Thunderbird
totally useless for newbies and experts alike!

> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
> earlier Windows operating systems.

Bull! Any Windows XP user can download Windows Live Mail for free from
Microsoft if they want too. And no Windows 7 doesn't come with any email
software. But WLM is a big step down from OE6. As WLM can't even set the
sync settings globally anymore. What a royal PIA!

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

"KCB" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <> wrote in message
> news:i5duo7$70v$...
>> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>>
>> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
>> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to
>> Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>>
>> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
>> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
>> earlier Windows operating systems.
>>
>
> Actually, Win7 does not include any email client.

Okay, I did not know that. I thought it had Windows Live Mail. My bad.

"BillW50" <> wrote in message
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> In news:i5duo7$70v$,
> Jeff Strickland typed on Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:33:04 -0700:
>> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>>
>> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
>> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent
>> to Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>
> Don't you ever feel all of the pain of all the harm that you have caused?
> I used Thunderbird for years and it is just awful! As it is so complicated
> to do the simplest things! You have to set up rules individually for every
> single newsgroup. Set up a signature for every single account! Setup where
> all of the folders are at for every single account. And that tab thing
> under Thunderbird 3 is just awful! I want windows, not tabs! What good is
> a GUI if you don't have windows? Sure you can have a window under
> Thunderbird 3, but it is more work for each and every message. Thunderbird
> is really brain dead compared to OE6 with OE-QuoteFix. There is no CTRL-H
> feature either! That makes Thunderbird totally useless for newbies and
> experts alike!
>

Sorry, I'm not selling Thunderbird. I do not use it. I used it for about a
week once, and hated it.

I was just giving the OP a point of reference as to where it fits in the
grand scheme of things -- FireFox and Thunderbird come from the same
company, like Internet Explorer and Outlook Express come from the same
company.




>> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
>> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
>> earlier Windows operating systems.
>
> Bull! Any Windows XP user can download Windows Live Mail for free from
> Microsoft if they want too. And no Windows 7 doesn't come with any email
> software. But WLM is a big step down from OE6. As WLM can't even set the
> sync settings globally anymore. What a royal PIA!
>
>

My bad, that didn't come out as I intended. OE is not supported anymore,
that is true.

You point out that one can migrate to WLM _if they want to_, but most of the
tech guys would ask, "why would you want to?"

I was not aware that Win7 had no native e-mail client. Besides WLM being a
giant leap backwards, why wouldn't MSoft assume their customers would want
an e-mail client? They assume so many other things about how one will use a
machine, why not assume the customers will actually want to e-mail once in a
while?

"Jeff Strickland" <> schrieb:

> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
> Mail.

That's not correct. OE6 is still supported as it's a component included
in Windows XP (SP3) - the same applies even for IE6 in Windows XP (SP3)
<shrug>.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2578 leeds you to
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2073 which leads to
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/ stating for
"Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3" that
"Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end
of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first." As we all(?)
know, there's no more SP planned for Windows XP and (extended) support for
Windows XP (Home, MCE and Professional) ends on April 8th 2014, see
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean23 and
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

Bye,
Freudi

"Jeff Strickland" <> schrieb:

> OE is not supported anymore, that is true.

Nope, see news:

Bye,
Freudi

Jeff Strickland <> wrote:
> I was not aware that Win7 had no native e-mail client. Besides WLM being a
> giant leap backwards, why wouldn't MSoft assume their customers would want
> an e-mail client? They assume so many other things about how one will use a
> machine, why not assume the customers will actually want to e-mail once in a
> while?

Because the inclusion of all kinds of application software with the
operating system was coming under more and more scrutiny from authorities
that want a plain playing field for Microsoft and its competition.
They believe (and probably rightly so) that when Microsoft include an
e-mail client in their OS by default, it becomes much more difficult for
other parties to market an alternative program for that purpose. The
average user will just use what is included without looking further.
Now, they will have to make a choice, and it can be a Microsoft product
or a competing product.
They wanted the same thing for the browser, but Microsoft stupidly
integrated it so deeply in the OS that it cannot be uninstalled in
Windows, it can only be hidden from view but it always remains installed.

"Ottmar Freudenberger" <> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <> schrieb:
>
>> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
>> Live
>> Mail.
>
> That's not correct. OE6 is still supported as it's a component included
> in Windows XP (SP3) - the same applies even for IE6 in Windows XP (SP3)
> <shrug>.
>

(JS) -- you said the same thing twice here, then followed it with a <shrug>,
I'm not sure what you meant to say.


> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2578 leeds you to
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2073 which leads to
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/ stating for
> "Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3" that
> "Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end
> of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first." As we all(?)
> know, there's no more SP planned for Windows XP and (extended) support for
> Windows XP (Home, MCE and Professional) ends on April 8th 2014, see
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean23 and
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223
>
> Bye,
> Freudi


Perhaps my use of "supported" is the problem here. OE is not being improved
upon, has no updates planned, is not "supported."

Without regard to the level of support that may or may not exist, Outlook
Express is entirely independent of Internet Explorer. OE6 works along side
IE8 as well as it has ever worked, which was the OP's concern.

Since we all know there are no more Service Packs planned for XP, then it
follows that support has stopped, or at the very least is an a very steep
ramp downward.

The point I was making is that if the OP wants to move forward (perhaps that
is a misnomer the same as "supported") then he will need to get Windows Live
Mail because there is no new version of Outlook Express. Personally, I'd not
recommend such a move.

Jeff Strickland <> wrote:
> Perhaps my use of "supported" is the problem here. OE is not being improved
> upon, has no updates planned, is not "supported."

Well, it is supported in the sense that when a security problem is discovered,
a hotfix will be released. Which of course won't be installed by BillW50,
because he thinks it serves only to make his system slower.