Re: Latest Security Patch Buggery

This is what comes of using MSCONFIG to eliminate programs that start
automatically..

Go to each program and see if there is something in preferences/options that
will stop the action..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Doc Holliday" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> I just installed the new Feb Security updates, and now upon startup,
> my system config file launches showing that selecitve startup is
> enabled instead of normal, and EVERY single program that has ever had
> an entry in my startup is now enabled, and EVERY time I try to edit
> the startup or change boot from selective to normal, the system will
> make no changes at all.
>
> Additionally, I went looking in Add/Remove programs to uninstall all
> of these updates, only to find out that EVERY single WIndows update
> that I have installed on this machine no longer shows up, even the
> ones I just installed today.
>
> Anyone else have these problems or know of a solution?
>
> Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - February 2005 (KB890830)
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB885250)
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB888113)
> Security Update for Windows Messenger (KB887472)
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB891781)
> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer for Windows XP
> (KB867282)
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB873333) Successful Thursday,
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB890047) Successful Thursday,
> Security Update for Windows XP (KB888302) Successful Thursday,

How can a feature that is a checkbox in the top, center of a window that
says "Show Updates" not be considered "documented"? Undocumented settings
are config files and registry entries where you have to create a new line or
entry that doesn't previoulsy exist. In addition, this is documented in some
of the SP2 specific documentation released with SP2.

As for the msconfig issue, we haven't heard about that.

otherwise, if you have specific issues, contact PSS:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/securityhome


"Doc Holliday" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Most of those programs have already been removed by uninstalling them.
> What ends up happening is if I leave the normal startup selected,
> everything will try to start up, but if I leave it setup as selected,
> then I can choose what does come up in start up. I've decided to leave
> it at this point.
>
> Now, back to those 9 security patches, there was apparantly an option
> that lets you see or not see the windows patches in add/remove
> programs, I had never seen this before, so I guess its a new
> "undocumented feature" . Using this, I uninstalled each one of those
> patches, but I had to reboot my PC for each uninstall (force reboot,
> no option).
>
> I'm still calling this Security Patch Buggery. I'm hearing many
> reports of these causing a glorious amounts of snafus worldwide.
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:04:08 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> <> wrote:
>
>>This is what comes of using MSCONFIG to eliminate programs that start
>>automatically..
>>
>>Go to each program and see if there is something in preferences/options
>>that
>>will stop the action..
>

I am also experiencing major sluggishness after installing the February
Security release. While I am not blaming this update, it is the only
change made to my system right before this issue popped up.

I have done a restore to a point that I thought was right before the
install of the latest security patch, and this restored things to
almost the same performance level, but not 100%.

Is there anyway to restore my system 100% to the point prior to the Feb
Security Update? Thanks!

John [MSFT] wrote:
> How can a feature that is a checkbox in the top, center of a window
that
> says "Show Updates" not be considered "documented"? Undocumented
settings
> are config files and registry entries where you have to create a new
line or
> entry that doesn't previoulsy exist. In addition, this is documented
in some
> of the SP2 specific documentation released with SP2.
>
> As for the msconfig issue, we haven't heard about that.
>
> otherwise, if you have specific issues, contact PSS:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/securityhome
>
>
> "Doc Holliday" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Most of those programs have already been removed by uninstalling
them.
> > What ends up happening is if I leave the normal startup selected,
> > everything will try to start up, but if I leave it setup as
selected,
> > then I can choose what does come up in start up. I've decided to
leave
> > it at this point.
> >
> > Now, back to those 9 security patches, there was apparantly an
option
> > that lets you see or not see the windows patches in add/remove
> > programs, I had never seen this before, so I guess its a new
> > "undocumented feature" . Using this, I uninstalled each one of
those
> > patches, but I had to reboot my PC for each uninstall (force
reboot,
> > no option).
> >
> > I'm still calling this Security Patch Buggery. I'm hearing many
> > reports of these causing a glorious amounts of snafus worldwide.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:04:08 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >>This is what comes of using MSCONFIG to eliminate programs that
start
> >>automatically..
> >>
> >>Go to each program and see if there is something in
preferences/options
> >>that
> >>will stop the action..
> >

You are missing more than one point here.. you do NOT use MSCONFIG in
selective startup mode to eliminate programs that start up automatically..

Re. showing updates, there is a checbox at the top of ADD/REMOVE..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Doc Holliday" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Most of those programs have already been removed by uninstalling them.
> What ends up happening is if I leave the normal startup selected,
> everything will try to start up, but if I leave it setup as selected,
> then I can choose what does come up in start up. I've decided to leave
> it at this point.
>
> Now, back to those 9 security patches, there was apparantly an option
> that lets you see or not see the windows patches in add/remove
> programs, I had never seen this before, so I guess its a new
> "undocumented feature" . Using this, I uninstalled each one of those
> patches, but I had to reboot my PC for each uninstall (force reboot,
> no option).
>
> I'm still calling this Security Patch Buggery. I'm hearing many
> reports of these causing a glorious amounts of snafus worldwide.
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:04:08 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> <> wrote:
>
>>This is what comes of using MSCONFIG to eliminate programs that start
>>automatically..
>>
>>Go to each program and see if there is something in preferences/options
>>that
>>will stop the action..
>

In the case of start-up items, it is better to go to each individual program
and turn it off.. msconfig allows for start-up items to be temporarily
stopped such that diagnosis of problems associated to any of them can be
isolated..

The problem with taking items directly out of start-up is that the majority
of users do not know what they are removing, and can and do cause more
problems by inadvertently disabling firewalls et al..



--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"da_test" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:27:01 -0500, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> <> wrote:
>
>>You are missing more than one point here.. you do NOT use MSCONFIG in
>>selective startup mode to eliminate programs that start up automatically..
>>
>>Re. showing updates, there is a checbox at the top of ADD/REMOVE..
> What is msconfig for then?
>
> Dave

Mike wrote:
"In the case of start-up items, it is better to go to each individual
program and turn it off.. msconfig allows for start-up items to be
temporarily stopped such that diagnosis of problems associated to any of
them can be isolated..
The problem with taking items directly out of start-up is that the
majority of users do not know what they are removing, and can and do
cause more problems by inadvertently disabling firewalls et al."

I am a newbie and since the 10 updates, the Paint program opens when I
turn on the computer. I have never touched msconfig, don't even know
where it is, and can find nowhere in the Paint program to turn it off or
stop it from starting up. I don't want to restore because then I will
have to face all those updates again. My husband says just uninstall it
and get it out of here. Perhaps it would be better for me to install
updates one at a time and turn off this automatic business.

Sometimes, things happen all at the same time.. it could just be
co-incidence that Paint is doing this.. if it was a global problem, then
Paint would be opening at start-up for me, but it isn't.. my computers are
working just as they were prior to updates, and show no signs of anything
going awry..

I would suggest that you uninstall Paint, and then re-install it, assuming
that you ever use the program..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"lorrie veigel" <> wrote in message
news:20826-420C35B0-...
> Mike wrote:
> "In the case of start-up items, it is better to go to each individual
> program and turn it off.. msconfig allows for start-up items to be
> temporarily stopped such that diagnosis of problems associated to any of
> them can be isolated..
> The problem with taking items directly out of start-up is that the
> majority of users do not know what they are removing, and can and do
> cause more problems by inadvertently disabling firewalls et al."
>
> I am a newbie and since the 10 updates, the Paint program opens when I
> turn on the computer. I have never touched msconfig, don't even know
> where it is, and can find nowhere in the Paint program to turn it off or
> stop it from starting up. I don't want to restore because then I will
> have to face all those updates again. My husband says just uninstall it
> and get it out of here. Perhaps it would be better for me to install
> updates one at a time and turn off this automatic business.
>

Thank you, Mike. Have done that and all is running fine now. We have
never used Paint anyway.


"I would suggest that you uninstall Paint, and then re-install it,
assuming that you ever use the program.." Mike Hall