Re: Mission: Eliminate Vista

Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in this
thread is clearly untrue.
As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.

alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."

Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

The following is a partial list of known Linux malware. Known malware is not
the only or even the most important threat: new malware or attacks directed
to specific sites can use vulnerabilities not previously known to the
community or not previously used by malware.


[edit] Trojans
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse[13]
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan[14]

[edit] Viruses
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda[15]
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny[5][16]
Binom - Linux/Binom[17]
Bliss
Brundle[18]
Bukowski[19]
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962[20]
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a[21]
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b[22]
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)[23]
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403[24]
OSF.8759
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)[25][26]
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627[27]
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a[28]
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a[29]
Staog
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096[30]
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341[31]
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)[32]
Wit virus[33]
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm[34]

[edit] Worms
Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm[35]
Adore[36]
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese[37]
Devnull
Kork[38]
Linux/Lion
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty[39]
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm[40]
Ramen worm
Slapper[41]
SSH Bruteforce[42]

If there was no malware threat for Linux then why do all the following
produce prodcuts

There are a number of anti-virus applications available for Linux computers,
including:

Avast! (freeware and commercial versions)
AVG (freeware and commercial versions)
Avira (freeware and commercial)
Bitdefender (freeware and commercial versions)
ClamAV (free open source software)
Eset (commercial versions)[6][7][8]
F-Secure Linux (commercial)
Kaspersky Linux Security (commercial)[9]
McAfee VirusScan Enterprise for Linux (commercial)[10]
Panda Security for Linux (commercial version)[11]
Sophos (commercial)
Symantec AntiVirus for Linux (commercial)[12]
Trend Micro ServerProtect for Linux (commercial)

Typical Alias nonsense post.
--

Mike Brannigan


"Philo Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
news:h5pq6q$klg$...
> Alias wrote:
>> Reila wrote:
>>> First off, hello. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section, or if there
>>> is a thread similar which has my answer. I did attempt to find anything,
>>> but sometimes I can be rather blind.
>>>
>>> Secondly, *my goal*.
>>> I'd like to get rid of Vista and instead get XP.
>>>
>>> Now, *the details*.
>>> I am on a *Toshiba Satellite A210 *( Which is now discontinued )
>>> *notebook*.
>>> I have looked on the Toshiba site itself, and it has many drivers for
>>> Windows XP ( Not that I know what they are )
>>> I am almost completely computer illiterate. Sadly.
>>>
>>> MY REASON:
>>> My notebook was not built for Vista, however it came with Vista. It
>>> only has and only came with 1GB of memory, and for Vista to run
>>> smoothly, it requires 2GB.
>>> Also, I've had many problems with my notebook, such as it being slow,
>>> all programs not responding ( The program turns all blank/white and has
>>> a constant loading thing happening. That's my fail way of explaining it
>>> ) at some point, including the task bar and even the start menu.
>>> It began to run so slow that I changed it so that all the pretty things
>>> were taken off so that it would have a better performance, however
>>> nothing changed.
>>> Therefore, I figured that changing to XP would help it to possibly run
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Originally, my boyfriend and I planned to reformat my computer, and I'd
>>> borrow his XP disk that came with his desktop computer and we'd just put
>>> XP on it.
>>> However, because I am a google fanatic, I google'd everything I can
>>> about this process, and found that that is in fact NOT the way to go. I
>>> found that many people have had problems in doing so, and I figured the
>>> smart thing to do would find help.
>>>
>>> My search led me to this forum.
>>> I'm hoping that I can find the help I need here.
>>> I'd love a step-by-step tutorial or instruction on how to get Vista off
>>> of this laptop ( I'd rather it not be Dual with XP and I'd rather it
>>> just be completely XP ) and replace it with XP, and then know which
>>> drivers to install.
>>>
>>> I do know that some of you will tell me that I shouldn't bother with XP
>>> at all, or even bother with Vista at all, and just go with Windows 7.
>>> I've heard AMAZING things about Windows 7 already, and believe me I'd
>>> LOVE to get it.
>>> However, I don't have the money for it.
>>> In fact, the only amount I have at this moment is $25. Wow, I rock.
>>>
>>> So therefore, I'd like any thoughts or any instruction on what to do.
>>> And remember, I'm illiterate.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No money? No problem. Download Ubuntu from http://www.ubuntu.com/ and
>> burn it to a CD. It's free. Install it by slipping the CD into your
>> optical drive and follow the easy instructions. It will recognize and
>> install all the drivers and it comes with access to thousands of free
>> programs. Not only that, there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu so
>> you can safely surf the net *anywhere*. Or, as Microsoft used to say,
>> "Where do you want to go today?"
>>
>> Alias

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in this
> thread is clearly untrue.
> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>
> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>
> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>
> The following is a partial list of known Linux malware. Known malware is
> not the only or even the most important threat: new malware or attacks
> directed to specific sites can use vulnerabilities not previously known
> to the community or not previously used by malware.
>
>
> [edit] Trojans
> Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse[13]
> Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan[14]
>
> [edit] Viruses
> Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda[15]
> Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny[5][16]
> Binom - Linux/Binom[17]
> Bliss
> Brundle[18]
> Bukowski[19]
> Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962[20]
> Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a[21]
> Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b[22]
> MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)[23]
> Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403[24]
> OSF.8759
> Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)[25][26]
> Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627[27]
> RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a[28]
> Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a[29]
> Staog
> Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096[30]
> Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341[31]
> Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)[32]
> Wit virus[33]
> ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm[34]
>
> [edit] Worms
> Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm[35]
> Adore[36]
> Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese[37]
> Devnull
> Kork[38]
> Linux/Lion
> Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty[39]
> Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm[40]
> Ramen worm
> Slapper[41]
> SSH Bruteforce[42]

When you consider that an up-to-date copy of Ubuntu will not be affected
by the above and the MILLIONS of malware targeting Windows, it's obvious
that Ubuntu is safer.

>
> If there was no malware threat for Linux then why do all the following
> produce prodcuts
>
> There are a number of anti-virus applications available for Linux
> computers, including:
>
> Avast! (freeware and commercial versions)
> AVG (freeware and commercial versions)
> Avira (freeware and commercial)
> Bitdefender (freeware and commercial versions)
> ClamAV (free open source software)
> Eset (commercial versions)[6][7][8]
> F-Secure Linux (commercial)
> Kaspersky Linux Security (commercial)[9]
> McAfee VirusScan Enterprise for Linux (commercial)[10]
> Panda Security for Linux (commercial version)[11]
> Sophos (commercial)
> Symantec AntiVirus for Linux (commercial)[12]
> Trend Micro ServerProtect for Linux (commercial)

To make money. Why did MS include a registry cleaner with No Care? To
make money, of course, because XP doesn't need a registry cleaner.

>
> Typical Alias nonsense post.

Typical Windows shill FUD.

Alias

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in this
> thread is clearly untrue.
> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>
> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>
> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

Where it also states:

"There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of the
type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is commonly
attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast updates to most
Linux vulnerabilities.

and:

"Linux vulnerability

Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where users
are granted specific privileges and there is some form of access control
implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or cause any serious
consequence to the system itself, the malware would have to gain root
access to the system.[2]

Shane Coursen, a senior technical consultant with Kaspersky Lab noted,
"The growth in Linux malware is simply due to its increasing popularity,
particularly as a desktop operating system ... The use of an operating
system is directly correlated to the interest by the malware writers to
develop malware for that OS."[3]

SecurityFocus's Scott Granneman stated,

...some Linux machines definitely need anti-virus software. Samba
or NFS servers, for instance, may store documents in undocumented,
vulnerable Microsoft formats, such as Word and Excel, that contain and
propagate viruses. Linux mail servers should run AV software in order to
neutralize viruses before they show up in the mailboxes of Outlook and
Outlook Express users."[1]

Because they are predominately used on mail servers which may send mail
to computers running other operating systems, Linux virus scanners
generally use definitions for, and scan for, all known viruses for all
computer platforms. For example the open source ClamAV "Detects ...
viruses, worms and trojans, including Microsoft Office macro viruses,
mobile malware, and other threats."[4]"

Oops, you didn't include that. I wonder why?

****ing MS shill.

Alias

Alias wrote:
> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in
>> this thread is clearly untrue.
>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>
>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>
>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>
> Where it also states:
>
> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of the
> type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is commonly
> attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast updates to most
> Linux vulnerabilities.
>

Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because HARDLY
ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.


> and:
>
> "Linux vulnerability
>
> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where users
> are granted specific privileges and there is some form of access control
> implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or cause any serious
> consequence to the system itself, the malware would have to gain root
> access to the system.[2]

Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.

Philo Shagnasty wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in
>>> this thread is clearly untrue.
>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>>
>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>
>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>
>> Where it also states:
>>
>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of
>> the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is
>> commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast
>> updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>
>
> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because HARDLY
> ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>
>
>> and:
>>
>> "Linux vulnerability
>>
>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where
>> users are granted specific privileges and there is some form of access
>> control implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or cause any
>> serious consequence to the system itself, the malware would have to
>> gain root access to the system.[2]
>
> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.

You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.

Alias

Alias wrote:
> Philo Shagnasty wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in
>>>> this thread is clearly untrue.
>>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>>>
>>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>>
>>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>>
>>> Where it also states:
>>>
>>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of
>>> the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is
>>> commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast
>>> updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>
>> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because HARDLY
>> ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>>
>>
>>> and:
>>>
>>> "Linux vulnerability
>>>
>>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where
>>> users are granted specific privileges and there is some form of
>>> access control implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or
>>> cause any serious consequence to the system itself, the malware would
>>> have to gain root access to the system.[2]
>>
>> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.
>
> You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.
>
> Alias

I understand and explained it very well. You are just too stupid to
realize it. Your logic is skewed - You use Ubuntu. Need I say more?

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Philo Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in
>>>>> this thread is clearly untrue.
>>>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>>>>
>>>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>>>
>>>> Where it also states:
>>>>
>>>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of
>>>> the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is
>>>> commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast
>>>> updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because
>>> HARDLY ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>>>
>>>
>>>> and:
>>>>
>>>> "Linux vulnerability
>>>>
>>>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where
>>>> users are granted specific privileges and there is some form of
>>>> access control implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or
>>>> cause any serious consequence to the system itself, the malware
>>>> would have to gain root access to the system.[2]
>>>
>>> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.
>>
>> You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I understand and explained it very well. You are just too stupid to
> realize it. Your logic is skewed - You use Ubuntu. Need I say more?
>

You are too stupid to use Ubuntu. Considering how user friendly it is,
you are REALLY stupid. End of your story.

Alias

Alias wrote:
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Philo Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement in
>>>>>> this thread is clearly untrue.
>>>>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>>>>
>>>>> Where it also states:
>>>>>
>>>>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of
>>>>> the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is
>>>>> commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast
>>>>> updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because
>>>> HARDLY ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linux vulnerability
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where
>>>>> users are granted specific privileges and there is some form of
>>>>> access control implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or
>>>>> cause any serious consequence to the system itself, the malware
>>>>> would have to gain root access to the system.[2]
>>>>
>>>> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.
>>>
>>> You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> I understand and explained it very well. You are just too stupid to
>> realize it. Your logic is skewed - You use Ubuntu. Need I say more?
>>
>
> You are too stupid to use Ubuntu. Considering how user friendly it is,
> you are REALLY stupid. End of your story.
>
> Alias

Ubuntu doesn't run the popular software programs. That makes Ubuntu
worthless. End of story.

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Philo Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his statement
>>>>>>> in this thread is clearly untrue.
>>>>>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following applies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where it also states:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat
>>>>>> of the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this
>>>>>> is commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and
>>>>>> fast updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because
>>>>> HARDLY ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linux vulnerability
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment where
>>>>>> users are granted specific privileges and there is some form of
>>>>>> access control implemented. To gain control over a Linux system or
>>>>>> cause any serious consequence to the system itself, the malware
>>>>>> would have to gain root access to the system.[2]
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.
>>>>
>>>> You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> I understand and explained it very well. You are just too stupid to
>>> realize it. Your logic is skewed - You use Ubuntu. Need I say more?
>>>
>>
>> You are too stupid to use Ubuntu. Considering how user friendly it is,
>> you are REALLY stupid. End of your story.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Ubuntu doesn't run the popular software programs.

Like what, besides games?

Alias
That makes Ubuntu
> worthless. End of story.
>

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Philo Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Please be very careful when you listen to "Alias" his
>>>>>>>>>> statement in this thread is clearly untrue.
>>>>>>>>>> As Ubuntu is just another Linux distribution the following
>>>>>>>>>> applies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> alsia said "... there is NO malware in the wild for Ubuntu ..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where it also states:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware
>>>>>>>>> threat of the type that Microsoft Windows software currently
>>>>>>>>> faces; this is commonly attributed to the malware's lack of
>>>>>>>>> root access and fast updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course there hasn't been a widespread malware threat because
>>>>>>>> HARDLY ANYONE USES LINUX. IDIOT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Linux vulnerability
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like Unix systems, Linux implements a multi-user environment
>>>>>>>>> where users are granted specific privileges and there is some
>>>>>>>>> form of access control implemented. To gain control over a
>>>>>>>>> Linux system or cause any serious consequence to the system
>>>>>>>>> itself, the malware would have to gain root access to the
>>>>>>>>> system.[2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, very few use Linux so there would be nothing to attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You weren't expected to understand and you met all expectations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand and explained it very well. You are just too stupid
>>>>>> to realize it. Your logic is skewed - You use Ubuntu. Need I say
>>>>>> more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are too stupid to use Ubuntu. Considering how user friendly it
>>>>> is, you are REALLY stupid. End of your story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu doesn't run the popular software programs.
>>>
>>> Like what, besides games?
>>
>> Get off your dead ass and onto your dying feet and go to your local
>> big box store and just look at all of the software on the
>> shelves...99.99% of it is for Windows & Macs...not linux.
>> You're so full of lies its amazing you haven't struck by lighting for
>> lying!
>>
>
> Of course not, Synaptic is the place for Ubuntu software, FREE software.
> No need to go to any stinking computer store.
>
> Alias

Yea, 25,000 free software titles that NOBODY knows about because they
are crap. Oh, maybe one or two are OK but the other 24,998 are crap.