Re: [News] Many Lies About Wine Debunked

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
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>| Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"

Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
It is written by basement boys in their spare time.

>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 2: "Wine is bad for Linux"

Linux is bad for Wine.
It pollutes the taste....


>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 3: "Emulators like VMWare are better"


They are assuming you aren't too cheap to pay for them, like most Linux
users are.

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>| [...]
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>| Myth 4: "You need Windows anyway"

Yep.

Legally....


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>| [...]
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>| Myth 5: "Wine is bad, Winelib is better"

Who cares?
You just gave a perfect reason not to run Wine.
Nobody can figure it out.


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>| [...]
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>| Myth 6: "Wine will always be playing catch up to Windows and can't possibly
>| succeed at running new applications"

15+ years and still the website says not for mission critical applications.
That says it all.


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Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
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>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
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> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.



Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?

Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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> ____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____
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>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
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>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other newsgroup.
> Simply ignore or killfile those posts.
>
> Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:
>
> 'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
> desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
> as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
> it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
> competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'
>
> (reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )
>
> - --
> ~~ Best of wishes
>
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Oh I know that, was just interested in this new technology he seems to
have suddenly invented...

Roy Schestowitz, ye befogged foul misshapen stigmatic, thy will is most
malignant, ye panted:

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> ____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____
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>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other
> newsgroup.
> Simply ignore or killfile those posts.

Linux****tard control freak.

> Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:
>
> 'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
> desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
> as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
> it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
> competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'
>
> (reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )
>
> - --
> ~~ Best of wishes
>
> Roy S. Schestowitz | Holey (sic) Cow! Longhorn is full of holes...
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____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
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>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>
>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>
>
>
> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>
> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other newsgroup.
Simply ignore or killfile those posts.

Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:

'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'

(reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )

- --
~~ Best of wishes

Roy S. Schestowitz | Holey (sic) Cow! Longhorn is full of holes...
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Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb.
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:


> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>
> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
> It is written by basement boys in their spare time.


WINE is a lot quicker than you would ever imagine because everything
under Linux is already quick (TM).

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

If you then add dual core or quad core then you get 2x and 4x speed
improvement of business critical applications.

What the fsck?

YUP!

Because Linus is so good, even running WINDUMMY applications under
EMULATOR like VirtualBox will give you same 2x and 4x speed
improvement UNDER EMULATION!!!!!
So, what is the benefit?
Well windummpy applications run faster, and they run like an
application in a neat little window which you can close down
and control just like any other applications.
And playing videos, music etc - no problem EVEN UNDER EMULATION!!!!

It is just so fscking awesome, you MUST try it!!!

http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.youtube.com - search for ubuntu, compiz and virtualbox to
see what you misssing out!

And I would strongly urge ALL WINDOWS DEVELOPERS to make their
products run under WINE 1.0 compliance.

Management should pressure WINDOWS DEVELOPERS for WINE 1.0
compliance because micoshaft is forever secretly
changing their APIs to bring down competitor companies.
If your company produces software, then it is beneficial
for you to make sure it installs under WINE 1.0.

If it does install under WINE 1.0,
then it means you are using standard reasonably
well documented and understood APIs, installers, configurations,
etc that is bound to work in a WINDUMMY PC because it works
under WINE 1.0.

And if micoshaft starts its subversive activities, then
for critical customers you just point at Linux and WINE 1.0
to get their applications running and the money still
keeps rolling in.


Management MUST MUST MUST pressure WINDOWS DEVELOPERS for WINE 1.0
compliance to protect their business.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
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>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>
>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>
>
>
> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?

Windows code...

> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

None. thank God


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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>
>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>
> Windows code...
>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> None. thank God
>
>

Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
"Native" code.

Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++ which
in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
processor concerned.

As someone else pointed out running XP or Vista under an emulator like
VirtualBox can be just as fast as running dedicated on the host - quite
surprising since the operating system on the host can be used at the
same time. Some fancy graphics like Aero don't work, but everything else
does, so that kinda questions what overhead Aero places on the system.

Different people will always have different experiences and preferences,
and what suits you will likely not always suit me, although sometimes it
will. Both Windows and Linux varieties can be excellent for some people
in some circumstances, that may vary in other circumstances. Personally
I think learning alternatives is always a good thing. One of the useful
things about Linux (most of them) is that if you have a machine that has
no legal Windows, it's broken or you lost the CD etc, you can still
legally use that machine, for many people that s a useful thing but only
if the know about it. The last thing I would like to see is Microsoft go
down the toilet, but they also don't want their software stolen and I
don't want to steal it. There is no need to do either. That is a good
thing.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Windows code...
>>
>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>
>> None. thank God
>>
>>
>
> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
> This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
> Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
> "Native" code.
>
> Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++

http://kano.net/javabench/data
Old, but still correct

See also here
http://www.ddj.com/cpp/184401976;jse...questid=471256

There are much more. Most benchmarks say that good Java code /can/
outperform C++

> which
> in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
> processor concerned.

That is also an old myth. I have written extensivly in assembler in the
past, and it is still viable when trying to get the smallest possible code.
But it is next to impossible to get /faster/ code overall than for example
writing the same thing in C

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Charlie Tame <> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>>
>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Windows code...
>>
>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>
>> None. thank God
>>
>>
>
> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can
> run. This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the
> Java Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the
> processor's "Native" code.

Who on earth told you this nonsense?