Re: Please help ntldr is missing

"akumageorges" <> wrote in message
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> About a month ago, my laptop (with vista as OS) started acting up,
> giving me error messages such as "windows\system32\boot\winload.exe
> missing or corrupt" as well as "windows\system32\stsem missing". I tried
> everything I could in vain, and I decided to go ahead and format my hard
> drive, through another computer using an enclosure kit since I couldn't
> even get into safe mode or any other mode without getting the error
> screen right away. I seemed that the problem was getting worst as I
> restarted my computer.
> As I mentioned above, I formatted my disc, thus lost all data, hoping
> to be able to install a clean version of VISTA. I reinstall my hard
> drive in the laptop, and just to make a quick test, I started the
> computer without the VISTA DVD in and I got the error "NTLDR is missing
> Press CTRL+Alt+Del to restart", and wondering what that was about, I
> looked it up on the internet, and most people seemed to say that error
> message was a typical windows XP type of error. But I never had XP on
> this computer. So I didn't do anything about and put the VISTA DVD in
> the drive and restarted the computer. I got the message "press any key
> to boot from CD or DVD." When I didn't push any button, I got the error
> message "NTLDR is missing Press CTRL+Alt+Del to restart", and then I
> restarted it and pushed a key to boot it from the VISTA DVD. I then got
> the "windows is loading files" screen. Once it was done loading files,
> it went straight to the error screen "Windows failed to start. A recent
> hardware or software change might be the cause
> .windows\system32\boot\winload.exe missing or corrupt . status
> 0x0000001.".
> At this point I really don't know what to do, and I'm totally confused,
> since my hard drive is totally empty and I still get those error
> messages.
>
> I got a tip from somebody telling me the reason i get that message is
> the fact i formatted the disc using and XP machine,implying that XP
> leaves codes specific to XP in the drive,thus the error message. But i
> don't have access to any other Vista machine, Does anybody know to get
> a clean format from XP?
>
> Please help
>
>
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I experienced this with my XP machine after every format. What I found was
the BIOS was trying to boot to something other than a CD or hard drive. I
think it was trying to boot to a USB port (can't remember-was a long time
ago). Try to get into your BIOS and check the boot order and select your CD
drive first, then your active hard drive.

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akumageorges wrote:
> Michael;4666572 Wrote:
>>
>> I experienced this with my XP machine after every format. What I found
>> was
>> the BIOS was trying to boot to something other than a CD or hard drive.
>> I
>> think it was trying to boot to a USB port (can't remember-was a long
>> time
>> ago). Try to get into your BIOS and check the boot order and select
>> your CD
>> drive first, then your active hard drive.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>
> When i set the HDD as first to boot from,i get the "bootmgr missing"
> message,
> When i set to boot from DVD first, after the windows loading files
> window,it goes straight into the "winload.exe missing" error screen
>
> I don't really understand this whole thing but my computer acts as if i
> have some other hard drive(cause i shouldn't be getting the winload
> error message in an empty HDD,right?)
> I'm wondering,is there a way to reset the BIOS(i'm too sure exactly
> what this is) in such way that it doesn't pop up old error messages(you
> know a way to erase its internal memory) i got when i actually had
> something in the HDD?
> Thanks
>
>


You said you formatted in a different (but Vista) machine, is it
possible your DVD player has a fault or that it simply "Doesn't like"
your DVD - this happens sometimes.

Could you maybe copy the DVD using the other machine and then try the
copy in this affected machine. I've had 2 DVD players act up this way
recently... ended up replacing both.

You can get DVD cleaners from most video stores but that didn't work for me.

"akumageorges" <> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the reply guys.
> I don't believe my vista install DVD is faulty cause before i totaly
> erased everything from my HDD,i was able to run the DVD up to the blue
> screen giving options to repair,start with command promt... but when i
> chose repair or the cmd options,the repair option would crash right
> away,and the command prompt one would crash after i entered a few code
> to check or rebuild the missing registries.
> I'm so confused about this,i've never seen anything like this before,my
> computer literally can't do anything,and i've even thought about taking
> it apart and reset it by removing the little battery that help keep some
> memory or whatever that's called.
>
>
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Before you give up try the Vista repair disk.

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akumageorges wrote:
> Thanks for the reply guys.
> I don't believe my vista install DVD is faulty cause before i totaly
> erased everything from my HDD,i was able to run the DVD up to the blue
> screen giving options to repair,start with command promt... but when i
> chose repair or the cmd options,the repair option would crash right
> away,and the command prompt one would crash after i entered a few code
> to check or rebuild the missing registries.

You don't want to repair the operating system or use the Command Prompt
options, there is no operating sytem to repair! You need to select the
proper option to *INSTALL* the operating system.


> I'm so confused about this,i've never seen anything like this before,my
> computer literally can't do anything,and i've even thought about taking
> it apart and reset it by removing the little battery that help keep some
> memory or whatever that's called.

There is nothing on the disk and there is nothing in the memory that has
to do with Vista or any other operating systems! What you are seeing
about "bootmgr missing" is perfectly normal even if the disk is empty!

You have to understand how a hard disk is organized and how the first
sector on the disk (the Master Boot Record, or MBR) is executed when the
computer attempts to boot the disk and how the MBR then attempts to pass
the boot sequence to the boot sector of the active partition, this is
where the "bootmgr missing" error comes from, the boot sector on the
active partition is looking for this file and because it isn't there it
trows up the error. The disk was formated so there is nothing on it
*other* than the MBR and the partition structure which includes the boot
sector. Unless the disk is brand new or unless it was zeroed out there
is *always* an MBR on the first sector and if there is an active
partition on the disk there is *always* a boot sector. Earlier you were
getting the ntldr is missing because the boot sector was prepared
(formated) by Windows XP, now you are seeing the "bootmgr missing" error
because the disk was prepared by Vista, these error messages are normal
and expected.

John

It won't hurt anything to try it. At the same time check the battery or
replace it with a new one to eliminate a dead battery as a possible
cause of the problem.

John

akumageorges wrote:
> Thanks John for the clarifications
> I have tried to install it as i've done before with my other
> computers,but right after the "windows loading files" screen,the
> computer gives me the error message "winload.exe missing or corrupt" and
> that's why i get so confused,cause i assume it shouldn't be looking for
> that anymore since the HDD has been formatted,but sure enough it gives
> me that error message.
> Do you think taking the computer apart and removing the internal
> batter(with hope to literally reset everything) would do any good?
>
>
> John John - MVP;4667931 Wrote:
>>
>> You don't want to repair the operating system or use the Command
>> Prompt
>> options, there is no operating sytem to repair! You need to select
>> the
>> proper option to *INSTALL* the operating system.
>>
>> There is nothing on the disk and there is nothing in the memory that
>> has
>> to do with Vista or any other operating systems! What you are seeing
>> about "bootmgr missing" is perfectly normal even if the disk is empty!
>>
>> You have to understand how a hard disk is organized and how the first
>> sector on the disk (the Master Boot Record, or MBR) is executed when
>> the
>> computer attempts to boot the disk and how the MBR then attempts to
>> pass
>> the boot sequence to the boot sector of the active partition, this is
>> where the "bootmgr missing" error comes from, the boot sector on the
>> active partition is looking for this file and because it isn't there
>> it
>> trows up the error. The disk was formated so there is nothing on it
>> *other* than the MBR and the partition structure which includes the
>> boot
>> sector. Unless the disk is brand new or unless it was zeroed out
>> there
>> is *always* an MBR on the first sector and if there is an active
>> partition on the disk there is *always* a boot sector. Earlier you
>> were
>> getting the ntldr is missing because the boot sector was prepared
>> (formated) by Windows XP, now you are seeing the "bootmgr missing"
>> error
>> because the disk was prepared by Vista, these error messages are
>> normal
>> and expected.
>>
>> John
>
>

Is your hard drive properly detected in the BIOS?

John

akumageorges wrote:
> Thank you so much for all your advices guys.
> As i stated before when i boot form the windows DVD,it gives me the
> black screen with the ssage at the bottom"windows loading files as the
> cursor loads" as soon as it's done loading it goes staright into the
> error screen "winload.exe missing or corrupt" giving me the options of
> restarting by typing pushing the "esc" button or F8. When i choose F8 it
> send me to the screen with options "safe mode","safe mode with cmd
> prompt",safe mode with network...,start with last good setting...
>
> I guess i'll try to make a short youtube video of this problem showing
> all the different things i've been doing,and maybe this will help better
> explain what i'm experiencing.
> I'll post that link later on tonight
>
> Thanks again
>
> d;4668037 Wrote:
>> You have mentioned that this is way beyond your know how. So this might
>> be
>> relevant..
>>
>> You said you formatted the drive. There's normally no reason to format
>> drives
>> today. Resizing, and creating partitions yes..
>>
>> I'll assume you have a 300 gigabyte main drive..and you have a vista
>> install
>> disk. size is irrelevant, other than the need for enough space to
>> installthe
>> system.
>>
>> Fire things up, go DIRECTLY to setup in the BIOS, and have it boot
>> fromthe CD.
>> reboot if necessary.
>> Now when the install disk says hello, go the partitioning section of
>> the setup.
>> You just may have screwed the HD. Now create an 80gig C:\partition. or
>> partition the whole drive. You don't really need more than 80 gigs for
>> the OS,
>> But if you do, having the entire drive as 1 partition would be better
>> than
>> needing more system space later.
>> The setup will ask you quick or full format. I'll assume the drive
>> isn't
>> totally screwed. Select quick format.
>>
>> After this, it may want another reboot. Now install Vista to the
>> partition that
>> you just created. C:\windows
>> That should pretty much do it.
>>
>> Ok, if it fails with quick format, chances are you did scramble
>> something
>> trying to format the drive. Repeat the above, but use full format
>> insteadof
>> quick, and go take a nap. This will take awhile, possibly hours.
>> now do your install.
>>
>> Once the OS is working go back into setup, and have it boot from C:\
>> instead of
>> the CD.
>
>

If your drive was formatted correctly you shouldn't see any of these
options. It should be clean. Apparently the DVD is detecting a Windows
install.
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"akumageorges" <> wrote in message
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> Thank you so much for all your advices guys.
> As i stated before when i boot form the windows DVD,it gives me the
> black screen with the ssage at the bottom"windows loading files as the
> cursor loads" as soon as it's done loading it goes staright into the
> error screen "winload.exe missing or corrupt" giving me the options of
> restarting by typing pushing the "esc" button or F8. When i choose F8 it
> send me to the screen with options "safe mode","safe mode with cmd
> prompt",safe mode with network...,start with last good setting...
>
> I guess i'll try to make a short youtube video of this problem showing
> all the different things i've been doing,and maybe this will help better
> explain what i'm experiencing.
> I'll post that link later on tonight
>
> Thanks again
>
> d;4668037 Wrote:
>> You have mentioned that this is way beyond your know how. So this might
>> be
>> relevant..
>>
>> You said you formatted the drive. There's normally no reason to format
>> drives
>> today. Resizing, and creating partitions yes..
>>
>> I'll assume you have a 300 gigabyte main drive..and you have a vista
>> install
>> disk. size is irrelevant, other than the need for enough space to
>> installthe
>> system.
>>
>> Fire things up, go DIRECTLY to setup in the BIOS, and have it boot
>> fromthe CD.
>> reboot if necessary.
>> Now when the install disk says hello, go the partitioning section of
>> the setup.
>> You just may have screwed the HD. Now create an 80gig C:\partition. or
>> partition the whole drive. You don't really need more than 80 gigs for
>> the OS,
>> But if you do, having the entire drive as 1 partition would be better
>> than
>> needing more system space later.
>> The setup will ask you quick or full format. I'll assume the drive
>> isn't
>> totally screwed. Select quick format.
>>
>> After this, it may want another reboot. Now install Vista to the
>> partition that
>> you just created. C:\windows
>> That should pretty much do it.
>>
>> Ok, if it fails with quick format, chances are you did scramble
>> something
>> trying to format the drive. Repeat the above, but use full format
>> insteadof
>> quick, and go take a nap. This will take awhile, possibly hours.
>> now do your install.
>>
>> Once the OS is working go back into setup, and have it boot from C:\
>> instead of
>> the CD.
>
>
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Keep in touch. This is a weird one I've never heard of. Good luck.
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"akumageorges" <> wrote in message
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> That's what has e totally confused. The CPU should see it as a new
> HDD,but sure enough it gives me the "winload missing error" message. I
> guess i'll try formatting it again tonight
>
> Michael;4668930 Wrote:
>> If your drive was formatted correctly you shouldn't see any of these
>> options. It should be clean. Apparently the DVD is detecting a
>> Windows
>> install.
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>>
>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>
>>
>>
>
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