Re: Problem with Windows Live Mail 2009

[Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]

<rant>
Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when one
opens a spaces.live.com page?

After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE persist
after exiting (closing) WLMessenger?

Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then have
the affect of causing spaces.live.com pages to load much more quickly?

When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
</rant>
--
~PA Bear

....winston wrote:
> Yes...
> Go to download.live.com
> Click download
> Cancel the download when prompted to save the wlsetup-web.exe
> Click Try Again
> Save the full file wlsetup-all.exe when prompted
>
>
> The direct link is also available on this blog entry
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!389.entry
>
> Look in the 'Links:' section
> Full Version Installer (my preference)
<SNIP>

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message news:...
> [Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]
>
> <rant>
> Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when one opens a spaces.live.com page?


So you can get the full "Live experience". <eg>


>
> After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE persist after exiting (closing) WLMessenger?


Closing msnmsgr.exe does not exit it.
To exit it you have to right-click Exit the WLMessenger icon
in the Notification Area of the Taskbar.


>
> Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then have the affect of causing spaces.live.com pages to load much
> more quickly?


For the same reason that running iexplore.exe -extoff is so much faster.
BTW you can eliminate just the msmsg.exe extension using
Tools, Manage Add-ons.

Hmm... looks like I have found another way to get rid of it. RIES. <eg>


>
> When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
> </rant>
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> ...winston wrote:
>> Yes...
>> Go to download.live.com
>> Click download
>> Cancel the download when prompted to save the wlsetup-web.exe
>> Click Try Again
>> Save the full file wlsetup-all.exe when prompted
>>
>>
>> The direct link is also available on this blog entry
>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!389.entry
>>
>> Look in the 'Links:' section
>> Full Version Installer (my preference)
> <SNIP>

Hi,

Just to add, the "full experience" here is knowing the status of your contacts and the
ability to communicate with them via Messenger on each spaces page (as well as hotmail).

Debated use I suppose, I admit I've used it once or twice.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
news:934AF910-9D33-4024-AD5A-...
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> [Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]
>>
>> <rant>
>> Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when one opens a
>> spaces.live.com page?
>
>
> So you can get the full "Live experience". <eg>
>
>
>>
>> After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE persist after exiting
>> (closing) WLMessenger?
>
>
> Closing msnmsgr.exe does not exit it.
> To exit it you have to right-click Exit the WLMessenger icon
> in the Notification Area of the Taskbar.
>
>
>>
>> Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then have the affect of
>> causing spaces.live.com pages to load much more quickly?
>
>
> For the same reason that running iexplore.exe -extoff is so much faster.
> BTW you can eliminate just the msmsg.exe extension using
> Tools, Manage Add-ons.
>
> Hmm... looks like I have found another way to get rid of it. RIES. <eg>
>
>
>>
>> When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
>> </rant>
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>> ...winston wrote:
>>> Yes...
>>> Go to download.live.com
>>> Click download
>>> Cancel the download when prompted to save the wlsetup-web.exe
>>> Click Try Again
>>> Save the full file wlsetup-all.exe when prompted
>>>
>>>
>>> The direct link is also available on this blog entry
>>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!389.entry
>>>
>>> Look in the 'Links:' section
>>> Full Version Installer (my preference)
>> <SNIP>
>
>

Thanks for you comments, Jonathan. Yet another case of "opted-in by
default," whether the user wants it or not, I suppose.

I've proven time and again that the msnmsgr.exe Process being loaded has the
affect making any spaces.live.com page load so slowly that it appears to be
hanging. If I Exit [not Close, Robbie] WLMessenger and end the msnmsgr.exe
Process, the page loads quickly & completely.

@Robbie: There is not and never has been a msmsg.exe IE Add-on on this box,
but thanks for the hint: Disabling the WLMessenger ActiveX Control resolves
the behavior! Go, team!

Jonathan Kay [MVP] wrote:
> Just to add, the "full experience" here is knowing the status of your
> contacts and the ability to communicate with them via Messenger on each
> spaces page (as well as hotmail).
> Debated use I suppose, I admit I've used it once or twice.
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" ...
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" ...
>>> [Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]
>>>
>>> <rant>
>>> Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when
>>> one
>>> opens a spaces.live.com page?
>>
>> So you can get the full "Live experience". <eg>
>>
>>> After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE
>>> persist after exiting (closing) WLMessenger?
>>
>> Closing msnmsgr.exe does not exit it.
>> To exit it you have to right-click Exit the WLMessenger icon
>> in the Notification Area of the Taskbar.
>>
>>> Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then
>>> have
>>> the affect of causing spaces.live.com pages to load much more quickly?
>>
>> For the same reason that running iexplore.exe -extoff is so much
>> faster.
>> BTW you can eliminate just the msmsg.exe extension using
>> Tools, Manage Add-ons.
>>
>> Hmm... looks like I have found another way to get rid of it. RIES.
>> <eg>
>>
>>> When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
>>> </rant>

I and my contacts gave up....
In the time it took the spaces page to load(due to msnmsgr.exe instance running in the background) I have accomplished the
following:
- communicate via use of a cell phone to that same contact
- send mail to same contact on iPod Touch(email)
- logon to Hotmail with an iPod Touch and send mail to the same contact
- end process via Task Manager for msnmgr.exe and iexplorer.exe, reload Hotmail web ui and send mail
- walk 30 yds in each direction(to/back) from my rural mailbox and pickup the mail


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message news:#...
> Hi,
>
> Just to add, the "full experience" here is knowing the status of your contacts and the ability to communicate with them via
> Messenger on each spaces page (as well as hotmail).
>
> Debated use I suppose, I admit I've used it once or twice.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
> --
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message news:934AF910-9D33-4024-AD5A-...
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message news:...
>>> [Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]
>>>
>>> <rant>
>>> Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when one opens a spaces.live.com page?
>>
>>
>> So you can get the full "Live experience". <eg>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE persist after exiting (closing) WLMessenger?
>>
>>
>> Closing msnmsgr.exe does not exit it.
>> To exit it you have to right-click Exit the WLMessenger icon
>> in the Notification Area of the Taskbar.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then have the affect of causing spaces.live.com pages to load
>>> much more quickly?
>>
>>
>> For the same reason that running iexplore.exe -extoff is so much faster.
>> BTW you can eliminate just the msmsg.exe extension using
>> Tools, Manage Add-ons.
>>
>> Hmm... looks like I have found another way to get rid of it. RIES. <eg>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
>>> </rant>
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>> ...winston wrote:
>>>> Yes...
>>>> Go to download.live.com
>>>> Click download
>>>> Cancel the download when prompted to save the wlsetup-web.exe
>>>> Click Try Again
>>>> Save the full file wlsetup-all.exe when prompted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The direct link is also available on this blog entry
>>>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!389.entry
>>>>
>>>> Look in the 'Links:' section
>>>> Full Version Installer (my preference)
>>> <SNIP>
>>
>>
>

Tip: IE Tools | Manage add-ons | Disable the listed WLMessenger ActiveX
control [MSGSC8~1.DLL => msgsc.8.1.0178.00.dll?].

PS: I found three (3) of 'em!!

....winston wrote:
> I and my contacts gave up....
> In the time it took the spaces page to load(due to msnmsgr.exe instance
> running in the background) I have accomplished the following:
> - communicate via use of a cell phone to that same contact
> - send mail to same contact on iPod Touch(email)
> - logon to Hotmail with an iPod Touch and send mail to the same contact
> - end process via Task Manager for msnmgr.exe and iexplorer.exe, reload
> Hotmail web ui and send mail - walk 30 yds in each direction(to/back) from
> my rural mailbox and pickup
> the mail
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just to add, the "full experience" here is knowing the status of your
>> contacts and the ability to communicate with them via Messenger on each
>> spaces page (as well as hotmail). Debated use I suppose, I admit I've
>> used it once or twice.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
>> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
>> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this
>> signature
>> or citation --
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
>> news:934AF910-9D33-4024-AD5A-...
>>>
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> [Totally OT & crossposted to WLMessenger newsgroup]
>>>>
>>>> <rant>
>>>> Why does WLMessenger (application and Process) insist on loading when
>>>> one opens a spaces.live.com page?
>>>
>>>
>>> So you can get the full "Live experience". <eg>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> After this happens, why does the (Task Manager) Process MSNMSGR.EXE
>>>> persist after exiting (closing) WLMessenger?
>>>
>>>
>>> Closing msnmsgr.exe does not exit it.
>>> To exit it you have to right-click Exit the WLMessenger icon
>>> in the Notification Area of the Taskbar.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why does exiting WLMessenger and ending the Process MSNMSGR.EXE then
>>>> have the affect of causing spaces.live.com pages to load much more
>>>> quickly?
>>>
>>>
>>> For the same reason that running iexplore.exe -extoff is so much
>>> faster. BTW you can eliminate just the msmsg.exe extension using
>>> Tools, Manage Add-ons.
>>>
>>> Hmm... looks like I have found another way to get rid of it. RIES.
>>> <eg>
>>>>
>>>> When does Wave 4 beta begin?! <eg>
>>>> </rant>
>>>> --
>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>
>>>> ...winston wrote:
>>>>> Yes...
>>>>> Go to download.live.com
>>>>> Click download
>>>>> Cancel the download when prompted to save the wlsetup-web.exe
>>>>> Click Try Again
>>>>> Save the full file wlsetup-all.exe when prompted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The direct link is also available on this blog entry
>>>>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!389.entry
>>>>>
>>>>> Look in the 'Links:' section
>>>>> Full Version Installer (my preference)
>>>> <SNIP>

Robert, I'd recommend that you post any/all followup in replies to your
original thread, please:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...61b3041f6361c6

PS: You had a similar problem back in September that "automagically" cleared
up:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...c3e9b857f3ab72

Perhaps you'd be wise to uninstall your current version of WLMessenger and
then install the newest version that was released last week?

Good luck.


Navyguy wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2:28 pm, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tip: IE Tools | Manage add-ons | Disable the listed WLMessenger ActiveX
>> control [MSGSC8~1.DLL => msgsc.8.1.0178.00.dll?].
>>
>> PS: I found three (3) of 'em!!
>>
> I have a Dell Dimension 8200 with XP SP2, with DSL connection. I have
> AVG antivirus free version, Comodo firewall, Spyware Blaster and Hive
> Cleanup. All of these have run well together and I have had no
> problems.
>
>
> However for the past several weeks Live Messenger does not logon
> automatically and I have to manual start it. I have included Live
> Messenger to my firewall as acceptable sites but it still continues to
> do so.
>
> I logged on again tonight and once again Live Messenger failed to
> automatically logon (this is not normal and started a few days ago) so
> I clicked the icon and after cycling it came up with the following
> message:
>
> We were unable to sign you in to Windows Live Messenger possibly
> because of a problems with the service or with your Internet
> connection. Please make sure you are connected to the Internet. To let
> us try and troubleshoot the problem, click the troubleshoot button.
>
>
> Error Code 81000306
>
> Troubleshoot Close Help
>
> I clicked the Troubleshoot button and it gave me the following:
>
>
> X IP
> X Default Gateway
> X IE Offline Setting
> X Hosts File
> X DNS
> X Proxy Server
> X Key Ports
> Wirless
>
>
> Then as Wireless was still processing it came up with the message that
> Windows Live Messeger needs to close and with it the icon(this has
> happened several times now).
>
> However once closed I was able to click the Internet Explorer icon and
> click on the I'm Messenger link to activate the Live Messenger in the
> notification area.
>
> I've run scans and it's found nothing.
>
>
> So in an effort to resolve the problem I tried your tips for the
> problem that I've been having and it found (1) WLMessenger ActiveX>
> control [MSGSC8~1.DLL so I disabled it. However it didn't do anything
> and the problem still remains.
>
> Thoughts/Suggestions?
>
> Robert

Navyguy wrote:
<snip>
> I don't think I can ask this without appearing stupid but just where
> do I obtain the latest version? I've searched for it and I get all
> sorts of versions from 8.0, 8.1, 8.5 and 9.0 Beta. As I understand it
> the Beta version isn't thoroughly tested and from what I see on here
> it still has problems so I'm a bit leary of downloading it. Also in
> the download section it says mirror to mirror and the other says
> build. Which one am I suppose to choose? They make this very confusing
> for non-computer literate people; all I want is my Live Messenger to
> work properly and sign in automatically. In addition, the problem I
> had before just went away but it's come back, and I've also emailed
> Microsoft about this particular problem but as yet haven't recieved a
> reply.

The beta ended about a week ago. See...

1. http://download.live.com/

2.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...3-76cfab69afe0
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Navyguy wrote:
> <snip>
> > I don't think I can ask this without appearing stupid but just where
> > do I obtain the latest version? I've searched for it and I get all
> > sorts of versions from 8.0, 8.1, 8.5 and 9.0 Beta. As I understand it
> > the Beta version isn't thoroughly tested and from what I see on here
> > it still has problems so I'm a bit leary of downloading it. Also in
> > the download section it says mirror to mirror and the other says
> > build. Which one am I suppose to choose? They make this very confusing
> > for non-computer literate people; all I want is my Live Messenger to
> > work properly and sign in automatically. In addition, the problem I
> > had before just went away but it's come back, and I've also emailed
> > Microsoft about this particular problem but as yet haven't recieved a
> > reply.
>
> The beta ended about a week ago. See...
>
> 1. http://download.live.com/
>
> 2.
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...3-76cfab69afe0
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>