Re: Reposting here for expert advice! (Suggested by Peter Foldes)

Its not a "hack" . Its a very easy procedure to perform. It does NOT
require any sophisticated user skills. It will NOT result in the user
screwing up his or her computer. Please do not make such blanket statements
and discourage users by telling them they are too stupid to do it. That is
not the case.

steve

"slk759" <> wrote in message
news:...
> PABear was referring to Stephen's mentioning the "hack" to put WM on W7
> machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced PC
> skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts (that
> they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may think this
> is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come back here to
> complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising heck. It is
> best not to mention something like that unless an Op is specifically
> asking for it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
>
>
> "~BD~" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On 17/12/2009 16:26, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>> [Please don't feed that troll, Steve. Details upon request from Peter
>>> or myself.]
>>
>> I've read about Stephen here:
>>
>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...2-6b33fd79807b
>>
>> He seems like a genuine guy - keen to help others too.
>>
>> What I would very much like him to do is ask you why you, PABear, have
>> lied about me being banned by ISP's (that has *never* happened - ever)
>> and for him to then email me to explain exactly *why* you have told him
>> not to help me.
>>
>> He has already been of help, for which I have thanked him.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
>

I never insinuated anyone was stupid !! I just don't understand the logic
of making a recommendation such as that if the user is not able to figure
out how to keep someone's e-address from being labeled a phish. They knew
what to do - just not where to do it. Setting up and running a virtual
machine just adds a layer of unnecessary confusion to what is supposed to be
a simple procedure, sending and receiving email. My elderly mother has a
fit because she has to logon !! She just wants to "turn the thing on and
use it", without jumping through hoops. Some things that may be easy for
you, are not to others.

Just for the record, I was not knocking your obvious and well documented
abilities.



"Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
news:71C8BDD4-E166-4EAC-8A63-...
> Its not a "hack" . Its a very easy procedure to perform. It does NOT
> require any sophisticated user skills. It will NOT result in the user
> screwing up his or her computer. Please do not make such blanket
> statements and discourage users by telling them they are too stupid to do
> it. That is not the case.
>
> steve
>
> "slk759" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> PABear was referring to Stephen's mentioning the "hack" to put WM on W7
>> machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced PC
>> skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts (that
>> they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may think
>> this is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come back here
>> to complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising heck. It is
>> best not to mention something like that unless an Op is specifically
>> asking for it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
>>
>>
>> "~BD~" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 17/12/2009 16:26, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> [Please don't feed that troll, Steve. Details upon request from Peter
>>>> or myself.]
>>>
>>> I've read about Stephen here:
>>>
>>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...2-6b33fd79807b
>>>
>>> He seems like a genuine guy - keen to help others too.
>>>
>>> What I would very much like him to do is ask you why you, PABear, have
>>> lied about me being banned by ISP's (that has *never* happened - ever)
>>> and for him to then email me to explain exactly *why* you have told him
>>> not to help me.
>>>
>>> He has already been of help, for which I have thanked him.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston
>>> Churchill)
>>
>
>

It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
knows what an OS is or does.
Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
a retail copy of Windows XP.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message news:71C8BDD4-E166-4EAC-8A63-...
> Its not a "hack" . Its a very easy procedure to perform. It does NOT
> require any sophisticated user skills. It will NOT result in the user
> screwing up his or her computer. Please do not make such blanket statements
> and discourage users by telling them they are too stupid to do it. That is
> not the case.
>
> steve
>
> "slk759" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> PABear was referring to Stephen's mentioning the "hack" to put WM on W7
>> machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced PC
>> skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts (that
>> they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may think this
>> is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come back here to
>> complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising heck. It is
>> best not to mention something like that unless an Op is specifically
>> asking for it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
>>
>>
>> "~BD~" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 17/12/2009 16:26, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> [Please don't feed that troll, Steve. Details upon request from Peter
>>>> or myself.]
>>>
>>> I've read about Stephen here:
>>>
>>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...2-6b33fd79807b
>>>
>>> He seems like a genuine guy - keen to help others too.
>>>
>>> What I would very much like him to do is ask you why you, PABear, have
>>> lied about me being banned by ISP's (that has *never* happened - ever)
>>> and for him to then email me to explain exactly *why* you have told him
>>> not to help me.
>>>
>>> He has already been of help, for which I have thanked him.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
>>
>
>

So what makes it different from any other Windows program? The "average
user" finds those complicated as well, so what's the difference. How hard
can it be to copy your OS from one computer, then run it in a window on
another computer? Do you really consider people so ignorant that they
cannot figure that out????

No wonder people don't complain about Walmail, given such a mindset.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen (MVP)" <> wrote in message
news:egdA$...
It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
knows what an OS is or does.
Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
a retail copy of Windows XP.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
news:71C8BDD4-E166-4EAC-8A63-...
> Its not a "hack" . Its a very easy procedure to perform. It does NOT
> require any sophisticated user skills. It will NOT result in the user
> screwing up his or her computer. Please do not make such blanket
> statements
> and discourage users by telling them they are too stupid to do it. That
> is
> not the case.
>
> steve
>
> "slk759" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> PABear was referring to Stephen's mentioning the "hack" to put WM on W7
>> machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced PC
>> skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts (that
>> they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may think
>> this
>> is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come back here to
>> complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising heck. It is
>> best not to mention something like that unless an Op is specifically
>> asking for it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
>>
>>
>> "~BD~" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 17/12/2009 16:26, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> [Please don't feed that troll, Steve. Details upon request from Peter
>>>> or myself.]
>>>
>>> I've read about Stephen here:
>>>
>>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/de...2-6b33fd79807b
>>>
>>> He seems like a genuine guy - keen to help others too.
>>>
>>> What I would very much like him to do is ask you why you, PABear, have
>>> lied about me being banned by ISP's (that has *never* happened - ever)
>>> and for him to then email me to explain exactly *why* you have told him
>>> not to help me.
>>>
>>> He has already been of help, for which I have thanked him.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston
>>> Churchill)
>>
>
>

Tubes . . . that puts him >75 - 80 yo . . . . GREAT that he is staying
current with technology. Maybe his sense of humor is more advanced than
yours then - maybe, it was just his opportunity to call you a "phish",
BoaterDave! If the shoe fits . . . . (he probably didn't really need your
help at all !!!) LOLOLOL !!!


"~BD~" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 20/12/2009 22:30, Gary VanderMolen (MVP) wrote:
>> It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
>> would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
>> another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
>> knows what an OS is or does.
>> Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
>> a retail copy of Windows XP.
>>
>>
>
> I said that my friend was elderly ....... but that should *not* have
> implied that he was just an average user!
>
> He is unfamiliar with Windows Vista, but has been using computers since
> they had thermionic valves (tubes!)
>
> I have a retail copy of Windows XP which I bought in 2002. It still
> 'works' and it could be transferred to him I believe.
>
> Regardless, I appreciate your comments, Gary. Thanks.
>
> --
> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)

slk759

Do you believe this guy. He is something else is he not. He had no idea what a
personal computer is in 2006. What a jerk and a Troll

His best tool is copy\paste

--
Peter

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Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"slk759" <> wrote in message
news:enj1%...
> Tubes . . . that puts him >75 - 80 yo . . . . GREAT that he is staying current
> with technology. Maybe his sense of humor is more advanced than yours then -
> maybe, it was just his opportunity to call you a "phish", BoaterDave! If the shoe
> fits . . . . (he probably didn't really need your help at all !!!) LOLOLOL !!!
>
>
> "~BD~" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On 20/12/2009 22:30, Gary VanderMolen (MVP) wrote:
>>> It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
>>> would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
>>> another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
>>> knows what an OS is or does.
>>> Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
>>> a retail copy of Windows XP.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I said that my friend was elderly ....... but that should *not* have implied that
>> he was just an average user!
>>
>> He is unfamiliar with Windows Vista, but has been using computers since they had
>> thermionic valves (tubes!)
>>
>> I have a retail copy of Windows XP which I bought in 2002. It still 'works' and
>> it could be transferred to him I believe.
>>
>> Regardless, I appreciate your comments, Gary. Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
>

(Current year - almost )2010 - (mid 50's)1955 = 55 years + 25 yo
(*assuming* a "young" age at the time of employment in this field) = 80 yo
today . . . . . . . I suppose he could have been 20 yo, or maybe he got in
the field in the early 60's - either scenario only varies the age by 5-10
years . . . . FYI, anything younger than 70 is not elderly !! (The older
you get, the older "old / elderly" gets !!! LOLOL !! One of my nursing
texts labels 60 - 74 as "young-old", 75 - 84 is "middle-old", and >85 is
"old-old". (Fundamentals of Nursing, The Art and Science of Nursing Care,
6th Ed., pg. 450) There are nearly 40 million older Americans today and
that will double by 2030 (just Americans - not counting the world
population), which is why technology needs to be considerate of this
population in their development efforts (KIS). These folks have been
through A LOT of change, more so than probably any other generation ever has
or will. I can only hope to keep up at that age !!

I took my first computer class in the early 80's. They were still teaching
about the earliest computers and tubes at that time . . . . don't know if
they still teach about that today - other than a fleeting mention.




"~BD~" <> wrote in message
news:_...
> On 21/12/2009 19:04, slk759 wrote:
>>
>> Tubes . . . that puts him >75 - 80 yo . . . . GREAT that he is staying
>> current with technology.
>
> Not quite - you are jumping to conclusions without all the facts!
>
> Quote:
>
> "The 1950's saw the introduction of improved radar and sonar services,
> *the advent of the computer* and a method to integrate all the warfare
> systems"
>
> That's the very first sentence in this snippet, here:
> http://www.hmscollingwoodofficersass...e/chapter8.htm
>
> You might just enjoy perusing here: http://middle-watch.com/Directors.html
>
> The director was pointed at the target. *A computer calculated where to
> point the guns* (later missiles) so that the shell and the target ended up
> in the same place at the same time!
>
> Such computers had, even when I did *my* training, thermionic valves! So
> there!
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)

Your elderly friend sounds like he is not afraid of a challenge, so
go for it!

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"~BD~" <> wrote in message news:...
> On 20/12/2009 22:30, Gary VanderMolen (MVP) wrote:
>> It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
>> would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
>> another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
>> knows what an OS is or does.
>> Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
>> a retail copy of Windows XP.
>>
>>
>
> I said that my friend was elderly ....... but that should *not* have
> implied that he was just an average user!
>
> He is unfamiliar with Windows Vista, but has been using computers since
> they had thermionic valves (tubes!)
>
> I have a retail copy of Windows XP which I bought in 2002. It still
> 'works' and it could be transferred to him I believe.
>
> Regardless, I appreciate your comments, Gary. Thanks.
>
> --
> Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)