Re: Semi-OT: Any recommendations for a news server (NNTP)?

Brian Cryer wrote:

>
> If I wanted to run a newsgroup server on my SBS box (or on a separate
> box come to that), any recommendations as to what software I should
> look at? I know Microsoft no longer have any offerings in this area,
> so I wondered whether anyone has any experiences running a newsgroup
> server on SBS2008 or Standard server 2008?

A quick Scroogle shows that NNTP Server software for Windows is a
fairly rare beast.

There are a number of implementations that have fallen by the wayside,
and the links that I can find all lead to dead ends.

The only offering I found that's still live is this:
http://www.messagepixels.com/

A presumed obsolete one that I found that's at least still available
(and has source) is this:
http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/d7xananewz2.htm

Of course, the other pertinent question is what you'd want to run your
own NNTP Server for?

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Brian Cryer wrote:

> Eventually I would like to run a combined forum & nntp group for one
> of the websites I look after, but in the short term just an NNTP
> server for customers as a discussion area. I find NNTP so much better
> than a forum, although I will admit that the NNTP bridge to the
> Microsoft forums isn't a bad offering. At the moment though I'm just
> exploring options, and it might be simplest (although less useful)
> just to go for a web-based forum.

Then you should be looking at the Message Pixels offering.

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Brian there is a NNTP Service in SBS2003 (if my memory serves me)
However

IMO since NNTP is dying, Most ISP's do not offer NNTP service and even this
group is dying.
I suggest just going to a web based forum.

I know even I don't like to see NNTP dying for the masses.
*Yes there will still be NNTP servers out there, but Kids don't like NNTP

I've been running a http://www.transalp.org forum off of
http://www.phpbb.com/ and have been really happy with it.
(Easier to ban spammers, and track threads etc etc.)

Most web hosting, that is cPanel has Fantastico, and you can click to
install PHPBB in 4 seconds

Check it out
Russ
PS if this is a non Profit group Let me Know and I'll host for you for free.


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Brian Cryer wrote:

> Eventually I would like to run a combined forum & nntp group for one
> of the websites I look after, but in the short term just an NNTP
> server for customers as a discussion area. I find NNTP so much better
> than a forum, although I will admit that the NNTP bridge to the
> Microsoft forums isn't a bad offering. At the moment though I'm just
> exploring options, and it might be simplest (although less useful)
> just to go for a web-based forum.

Then you should be looking at the Message Pixels offering.

--
Steve Foster
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In article <>,
says...
> IMO since NNTP is dying, Most ISP's do not offer NNTP service and even this
> group is dying.
>

The claim that NNTP is dying has been going on for decades, and it's not
true - just like TCP it will last for ages past the time that microsoft
igores it.

Web groups are cumbersome, slow, and don't have consistent user
interfaces across them.

The reason that anyone setting up a NNTP server will have problems is
that there are no free peers - meaning you can't just setup a news
server an peer with anyone else for free.

Short of selling Usenet subscriptions I can't think of any Small
Business need for a usenet server - share point works better for what
small businesses need in relation to anyone using SBS.



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Leythos,
You don't seem to read my posts
That's 2 you haven't read LOL
Russ

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In article <>,
says...
> IMO since NNTP is dying, Most ISP's do not offer NNTP service and even
> this
> group is dying.
>

The claim that NNTP is dying has been going on for decades, and it's not
true - just like TCP it will last for ages past the time that microsoft
igores it.

Web groups are cumbersome, slow, and don't have consistent user
interfaces across them.

The reason that anyone setting up a NNTP server will have problems is
that there are no free peers - meaning you can't just setup a news
server an peer with anyone else for free.

Short of selling Usenet subscriptions I can't think of any Small
Business need for a usenet server - share point works better for what
small businesses need in relation to anyone using SBS.



--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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On 15/07/10 23:58, Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] wrote:
>
> Brian there is a NNTP Service in SBS2003 (if my memory serves me)
> However
>
> IMO since NNTP is dying, Most ISP's do not offer NNTP service and even
> this group is dying.
> I suggest just going to a web based forum.
>
> I know even I don't like to see NNTP dying for the masses.
> *Yes there will still be NNTP servers out there, but Kids don't like
> NNTP
>

This is the only group out of about thirty I currently use which is
dying, and you know very well it's not through lack of use, or lack of kids.

Most of the rest of the IT world finds NNTP useful.

--
Joe

IMO PHPBB is probably the easiest to set up (I've set them up even the
manual way.)

There are plugins that you can put in that someone has to enter a specific
WORD to register an account etc.
this way BOTS don't register them self and spam..

Best of luck
Russ



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"Brian Cryer" wrote in message news:...

"Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP]" <> wrote in message
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> Brian there is a NNTP Service in SBS2003 (if my memory serves me)
> However

Thanks Russ. Unfortunatly I turned off my last 2003 server a little while
ago, and would rather not take a step back to older technology (I'd rather
go *nix). But yes, I do believe there was an NNTP service in 2003.

> IMO since NNTP is dying, Most ISP's do not offer NNTP service and even
> this group is dying.

Sadly fewer ISPs are offering NNTP and Microsoft abandoning NNTP support
doesn't help, but I think NNPT will be around and active for a long time
yet.

> I suggest just going to a web based forum.

Ideally I'd like to support both. Certainly a forum might be more attractive
to some, but comes a poor second compared to a newsgroup (IMHO).

> I know even I don't like to see NNTP dying for the masses.
> *Yes there will still be NNTP servers out there, but Kids don't like NNTP
>

True ...

> I've been running a http://www.transalp.org forum off of
> http://www.phpbb.com/ and have been really happy with it.
> (Easier to ban spammers, and track threads etc etc.)
>
> Most web hosting, that is cPanel has Fantastico, and you can click to
> install PHPBB in 4 seconds
>
> Check it out

PhpBB does seem to be the most popular forum software. If I go that route
(i.e. just a forum with no NNTP) then PhpBB will probably be what I use.

> Russ
> PS if this is a non Profit group Let me Know and I'll host for you for
> free.

Thank you for the offer, but hosting is one of the few things which won't be
an issue.
--
Brian Cryer
http://www.cryer.co.uk/brian

In article <>,
says...
> IMO PHPBB is probably the easiest to set up (I've set them up even the
> manual way.)
>
> There are plugins that you can put in that someone has to enter a specific
> WORD to register an account etc.
> this way BOTS don't register them self and spam..
>

We abandoned PHPBB last year because, even after massive code changes,
the bots could still register.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] wrote:

>
> Brian there is a NNTP Service in SBS2003 (if my memory serves me)
> However

Brian does state that he has SBS2008, which does *not* have an NNTP
service.

--
Steve Foster
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Yes you are right I thought he said SBS2003
Sorry My bad...
Russ


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"Steve Foster" wrote in message
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Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] wrote:

>
> Brian there is a NNTP Service in SBS2003 (if my memory serves me)
> However

Brian does state that he has SBS2008, which does *not* have an NNTP
service.

--
Steve Foster
For SSL Certificates, Domains, etc, visit.:
https://netshop.virtual-isp.net