Re: Something different....Recovered items

"...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>
> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after the date and the newsgroup name.


Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }

BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is involved:

<cmd command_line>
E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s "^Newsgroups:" *
</cmd>

Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the timestamps as well:

findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *


; )

Robert
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@Robert,
Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.

Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail) appear in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did in
XP or Vista without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message news:...
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>>
>> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after the date and the newsgroup name.
>
>
> Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }
>
> BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is involved:
>
> <cmd command_line>
> E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s "^Newsgroups:" *
> </cmd>
>
> Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the timestamps as well:
>
> findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *
>
>
> ; )
>
> Robert
> ---
>

Could that be caused by the newsgroup servers having the recent problems?
--
Ron Sommer
MS MVP-Mail

"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
> @Robert,
> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>
> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail) appear
> in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did in XP or Vista
> without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "...winston" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after
>>> the date and the newsgroup name.
>>
>>
>> Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version
>> of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }
>>
>> BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is
>> involved:
>>
>> <cmd command_line>
>> E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s
>> "^Newsgroups:" *
>> </cmd>
>>
>> Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the
>> timestamps as well:
>>
>> findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *
>>
>>
>> ; )
>>
>> Robert
>> ---
>>

Hi, Winston.

Yes, I agree with Ron that recent server problems may have made these
Recovered Items appear more often.

My experience has been that WLM is pretty robust and, when given enough down
time, it will correct most of these problems on its own. Of course, I'm
often too impatient and I go in and delete some before WLM gets to them.

Newsgroup messages do seem to appear here much more often than emails.
Maybe that's just because we get a lot more NG posts than emails?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
> @Robert,
> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>
> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail) appear
> in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did in XP or Vista
> without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "...winston" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after
>>> the date and the newsgroup name.
>>
>>
>> Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version
>> of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }
>>
>> BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is
>> involved:
>>
>> <cmd command_line>
>> E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s
>> "^Newsgroups:" *
>> </cmd>
>>
>> Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the
>> timestamps as well:
>>
>> findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *
>>
>>
>> ; )
>>
>> Robert

"...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
> @Robert,
> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>
> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail)
> appear in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did in
> XP or Vista without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.


FWIW I am seeing a lot fewer. One difference is that I now
have WLMail only reading 3 newsgroups from 1 server.
I have moved my other accounts to different OS. This is XPsp3.

That command I gave you listed messages from the summer only.
Oh. There was one on Sept 26.

Even with this greatly reduced usage and even though I started
a fresh Message Store I am still seeing the problem symptom
(with my last newsgroup only) of messages which I had read and marked
read and marked in other ways still showing up unread and unmarked
the next time I synchronize (always with Ctrl-F5 for News only.)
However, this symptom too has less frequency than it once did.

Another problem symptom I still have is that compaction only works
if I have done nothing or if the reason that WLMail was opened
is for some other reason than synchronizing news. E.g. I can reply
Yes to the prompt and get a successful compaction if I open a
message on its own that is associated with WLMail's filetype
and then close it.

Both symptoms suggest to me that the Message Store contains
inconsistencies in its procedures, so it's really no wonder that other
symptoms of problems with it would also appear. If I had a better
description of what the Recovered Items directory was actually
needed for I might be able to speculate better about whether
my problems with the Message Store are related or not.


Robert
---

That's as good as anything else to lay the blame or cause. There may be others too <g>.

--
....winston
MS-MVP[Mail]

"Ron Sommer" <> wrote in message news:...
> Could that be caused by the newsgroup servers having the recent problems?
> --
> Ron Sommer
> MS MVP-Mail
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>> @Robert,
>> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>>
>> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail) appear in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did
>> in XP or Vista without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>
>>> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after the date and the newsgroup name.
>>>
>>>
>>> Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }
>>>
>>> BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is involved:
>>>
>>> <cmd command_line>
>>> E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s "^Newsgroups:" *
>>> </cmd>
>>>
>>> Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the timestamps as well:
>>>
>>> findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *
>>>
>>>
>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Robert
>>> ---
>>>

R.C.,
All of the newsgroup items that resided under the folder in the pic I attached are not really significant. All being posts from
others that I've already viewed briefly or read(and allowed WLM to mark as read). Though, none were current, all a week or two
old...just hadn't seen those odd named folders [dcf and microsoft.p 242]

When they do occur, I usually ignore them until I have nothing better to do, take a peak for significance then usually delete the
dated folder

You are probably correct on the frequency of news vs mail recovered occurences...my newsgroup read dwarf the numbers of emails in
all my email clients combined(WLM, Outlook 03/07, and the web UI)..


--
....winston
MS-MVP[Mail]

"R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:...
> Hi, Winston.
>
> Yes, I agree with Ron that recent server problems may have made these Recovered Items appear more often.
>
> My experience has been that WLM is pretty robust and, when given enough down time, it will correct most of these problems on its
> own. Of course, I'm often too impatient and I go in and delete some before WLM gets to them.
>
> Newsgroup messages do seem to appear here much more often than emails. Maybe that's just because we get a lot more NG posts than
> emails?
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>> @Robert,
>> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>>
>> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail) appear in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did
>> in XP or Vista without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>
>>> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen this 'line item format' before..note the characters after the date and the newsgroup name.
>>>
>>>
>>> Same in XPsp3. It's been there quite a while I think. WLMail's version of 8.3 naming long filenames? ; }
>>>
>>> BTW this works for me to find out which newsgroup (assuming .nws file) is involved:
>>>
>>> <cmd command_line>
>>> E:\WLMail Message Store\Storage Folders\Recovered items>findstr /s "^Newsgroups:" *
>>> </cmd>
>>>
>>> Note that you could optionally have a command which would show you the timestamps as well:
>>>
>>> findstr /s "^Newsgroups: ^Date:" *
>>>
>>>
>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Robert
>

I rarely saw any Recovered Items when operating the current version of WLM(ensuring it wasn't doing something else before shutdown,
interrupting a sync, etc) on XPSP3 or Vista. My comment was in reference to a higher incident rate(based on recollection) for WLM
on Win7Pro. I pretty much remember what I read, and don't recall in Win7 or Vista(my XPSp3/WLM use is much less)re-reading posts
that were read and reappear as unread. My my message store is quite substantial on Vista, on Win7 much smaller.

Compaction..I just set it at 1....if it prompts I cancel if the last was a recent memory...if it fails when I select it, then I
just open WLM, File/WorkOffline/File/Exit, yes to compact..works every time.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Robert Aldwinckle" <> wrote in message news:...
>
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>> @Robert,
>> Thanks, filed away..appreciate it.
>>
>> Fyi...for some reason, I am seeing more items(newsgroups, not mail)
>> appear in the Recovered items folders on Win7/WLM than I did in
>> XP or Vista without changing any usage patterns or methods for operating WLM.
>
>
> FWIW I am seeing a lot fewer. One difference is that I now
> have WLMail only reading 3 newsgroups from 1 server.
> I have moved my other accounts to different OS. This is XPsp3.
>
> That command I gave you listed messages from the summer only.
> Oh. There was one on Sept 26.
>
> Even with this greatly reduced usage and even though I started
> a fresh Message Store I am still seeing the problem symptom
> (with my last newsgroup only) of messages which I had read and marked
> read and marked in other ways still showing up unread and unmarked
> the next time I synchronize (always with Ctrl-F5 for News only.)
> However, this symptom too has less frequency than it once did.
>
> Another problem symptom I still have is that compaction only works
> if I have done nothing or if the reason that WLMail was opened
> is for some other reason than synchronizing news. E.g. I can reply
> Yes to the prompt and get a successful compaction if I open a
> message on its own that is associated with WLMail's filetype
> and then close it.
>
> Both symptoms suggest to me that the Message Store contains
> inconsistencies in its procedures, so it's really no wonder that other
> symptoms of problems with it would also appear. If I had a better
> description of what the Recovered Items directory was actually
> needed for I might be able to speculate better about whether
> my problems with the Message Store are related or not.
>
>
> Robert
> ---
>

"...winston" <> wrote in message news:...

> Compaction..I just set it at 1....if it prompts I cancel if the last was a recent memory...
> if it fails when I select it, then I just open WLM, File/WorkOffline/File/Exit, yes to compact..
> works every time.


You have just reminded me of something that I haven't tested
since installing the most recent version of WLMail.
Every time I set Work Offline previously WLMail would crash.
So I'll press Ctrl-s here and... no change. Still crashes.

<eventvwr>
The following information is part of the event: wlmail.exe, 14.0.8089.726,
4a6ce53d, unknown, 0.0.0.0, 00000000, 0, 00000004.
</eventvwr>

Annoyingly somehow WLMail manages to inhibit drwtsn32.exe
Otherwise I would at least have a stack back trace to look at for this.

Supposedly I could use ProcMon or ProcExp to get some stack info.
Let's try another Ctrl-s and Alt-F,W. This time I'll maximize my
WLMail window before doing that.... No crash? And I was able to
successfully compact when I closed. Great! So if I can figure out
how to reliably avoid the crash I would then have a complete compact
on demand procedure which would not involve opening and reclosing. ; )


Robert
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