Re: Spell Corrected: MSFT Connect Officially Rejects Public Access to Bugs/Sam-R

LOL--Thanks Jeff.

They're smart. It wouldn't kill them or stop the Porsches from piling
into their grarages and the Plasmas and spiffy toys in their households from
streaming in by the bucketful to supply a genuine Vista DVD to their
syncophantic customers.

MSFT knows when they are screwing people over. The marketing and cheap
worthless tech support they provide and lack of a recovery mechanism for
their 20% increased OEM sales last quarter and 20% decreased retail sales
according to the financial report Ballmer discussed in NYC and DC is very
profitable.

It's enabled many of them to be very productive in the philanthropic realm,
even giving Billy Gates an incentive to learn a little basic medicine.

Notice that not one of them has dared to respond. None of the "setup studs
or studesses" will take my challenge of me against them, Allchin, Gates,
and anyone they want to bring with their laptops and kickass tablets s and
the shitty media they craft a deal with via their non-engineer accountant
Scott Di Valeriano for OEMs to shove at people, and take me on with a
retail Vista DVD.


We'll take out a few files like ntldr Vista's boot strap mechanism
components and see which one of us--the softies from the setup team and
their hot dogs or me wins the contest of fixing a no boot Vista time after
time. My point--they don't give a damn whether their customers can recover
a no boot Vista and Startup Repair btw is not near as successful
statistically as a Repair Install in XP--and they don't want to talk about
the features that Desmond Lee PM cut out of Win RE that were promised a year
ago.

My point there is they screw people conjointly with OEMs in a really
important area--Gates is studying medicine heavily now to help his
foundation with HIV so in terms Gates can understand when Vista needs CPR
they deprive Vista of the crashcart and send it to the hospital morgue and
don't give people a chance with OEM crappy recovery discs and partitions and
whoops NO VISTA RETAIL DVD WITH THEIR $1000-3500 spiffy duo core or quad
core new Vista Capable boxes to recover.

They may be Vista Capable, but they sure aren't capable of recovering Vista
from a no boot without a retail DVD. They pullled the same thing for 6
years in XP.

You won't see their syncophantic cheerleader Nick White from the Vista
Launch team ( or what I call the kick the pig out the door fast and put some
Sinofsky rouge and lipstick from his purse on -- letting out a peep on this
or any of them. It's the dirty little secret they are afraid to talk about.

Any softie from the setup team who wants to challenge this, Darrrell Gorter
where are ya baby, speak up.

I'll betcha in the US of America all those SUV gas guzzling makers who are
now on the ropes having funded terrorism at both ends as Tom Friedman NYT
says, and put crisp Franklins into the hands of Hezbollah from the gas pumps
of America to drive the equivalant of the polo horsie on their proud chests,
wish that their customers were such synchophants that they will defend MSFT
the way Ann Coulter defends mass killing and stay the course.

Ole Maria Cantwell now finds herself in a race out in Redmond land with her
Republican opponent for her "stay the course" irrationality. She has no
coherent explanation that's even remotely articulate for it either. But
affluent white girls who ran Real rarely send their kids to Iraq. No one
in Maria's family is anywhere near it. She's bravely fighting the war from
Georgetown bistros.

http://cantwell.senate.gov/maria/

CH





CH



CH
"Jeff" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi Chad;
> Upsetting people again; I see.
> Daring to make waves? LOL
> Dare I say; thinking out of the box?
> Seems the tone of this thread;is making you a tad defensive!!!
> Too funny; good to read ya though!!
> BTW, an MSFT guy got back to me;about that Avast issue.
> Still looking at it.
>
> Jeff
>
> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Correction:
>>
>> Spelling:
>>
>>
>> No Sam--you can't read something clearly written with sufficient
>> comprehension. Try this. I'll do my best to me ake it clear. If it's
>> not--don't be shy and sing out. I'll parse it more clearly in the area
>> you
>> don't understand. If English is not your first language, I'll get it
>> translated. I aim to please you. I'm terribly honored by the
>> condescending, dismissive tone of your question and glad to help. I also
>> eagerly look forward to the large volume of help you plan to post
>> here--someday.
>>
>> My premise has been this:
>>
>>
>> MSFT is doing poorly at educating the public as to Vista, not to mention
>> they haven't been able to fix major components like Device Manager since
>> 1995. One of the major features of devmgmt.msc is to validate driver
>> health
>> and it doesn't. Google for the Beta driver chats.
>>
>> My points--and let me know if you need this made more clear or suscinct:
>>
>> 1) MSFT makes a disingenuous pomp and circumstance of encouraging
>> customer
>> feedback from the public. However they **** on that by not allowing
>> Connect access to bugs. They make
>> the Beta available as a sales adjunct to the campaigns by Wagner Edstrom
>> and
>> McCann Ericson Worldwide. They hide bugs because they want to promote
>> sales
>> of a product that is going to ship broken that they didn't fix.
>>
>> 2) 2) To maximize education they need to make Beta Chats available in one
>> place
>> on ther sites and in an MSKB the way they make milestone build fixes
>> available in KBs you haven't seen.
>>
>> 3) To maximize education they need to make Beta Live Meetings available
>> on
>> their site.
>>
>> The reason I want these showcased and available is that they provide a
>> lot of detail that answers questions people continue to ask.
>>
>> 4) This gives up nothing propiritiary and doesn't impact any vague lol
>> "security for their beta" whatsoever that Tom Ziegler very nebulously
>> alluded to saying MSFT had "their own reasons." It promotes education in
>> the same way that MSFT's pilot high school that purports to use only
>> laptops and no books in Pennsylvanania that is in the news this week
>> does.
>>
>> 5) want the public to be much better users. I want them to have a much
>> clearer understanding than they have of how to download RC1 and get
>> product
>> keys which seems the subject of endless obsession. I have seen people
>> told repeatedly how to get RC1 and have done it myself and noticed that
>> they post questions without doing a search on the group--they probably
>> don't know it exists and are using the crappy web interface made by the
>> MSFT communnity instead of OE or Win Mail. Many of the questions here
>> are asked hundreds of times because people are to lazy to search the
>> answers that most of us have answered hundreds of times who do the
>> answering.
>>
>> I realize that many of the people who ask these questions are a little
>> too
>> lazy to navigate to the MSFT sites and read them, so it becomes all the
>> more
>> imperative to up the level of education.
>>
>> I also think that those of us who work on newsgroups to help explain
>> features and fix Windows for MSFT's customers and sometimes evangelize
>> their products are entitled to high qaulity Vista info. It isn't on
>> MSFT's site on most of the major system features of Vista the way it was
>> for XP at the stage between RC1 and RC2 during the late summer of 2001
>> before the Windows XP Launch on October 25, 2001.
>> I also understand a very small percent of XP users on the planet used
>> Help and Support in XP, and I hope they will take advantage of the new
>> Help server for Vista as well as Guided Support's work in progress in
>> Vista should they need it.
>>
>> If this is not clear to you, by all means ask me to parse it. I was born
>> in
>> California, so I don't know if my command of English is up to the usual
>> sophisticated level you're accustomed to.
>>
>> I want to make it very clear.
>>
>> I also alluded to the fact that one of the major sales revenue streasms
>> to customers of MSFT for Vista will be on pre-installed boxes. The major
>> repair modality for a no boot Vista is Win RE--and it's cheif component
>> is Startup Repair located on the setup screen at the lower left as
>> "Recovery."
>>
>> The OEM purchasers will not have a Vista retail DVD due to a nasty policy
>> conjointly promoted by MSFT and its 30OEM "name partners" big guys like
>> Dell, HP, Sony who make among other things computers. . They will have
>> recovery CDs and hidden and non-hidden partitions that *WILL NOT* reach
>> Win
>> RE. This is analagous to the same arrangement in Win XP where the
>> recovery discs and partitions would not do a repair install which is the
>> chief modality to fix a no boot XP after F8 Windows Advanced options
>> fail.
>>
>> I have an additional challenge tailored just for Sam-R:
>>
>> You take what OEM sends you and choose any of your ten home boys and
>> girls
>> you think are superior Windows users. I'll take the retail XP CDs and
>> DVDs.
>> We''ll put up some substantial money and see who wins as to recovery with
>> what we each have to use.
>>
>> You game? Bring it.
>>
>> [Please let me know if you can't comprehend the *points* that have been
>> made here Sam-R. I aim to please you and will be glad to refine the
>> clarification until you can comprehend it.]
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> No Sam--you can't read something clearly written with sufficeint
>>> comprehension. Try this. I'll do my best to m ake it clear. If it's
>>> not--don't be shy and sing out. I'll parse it more clearly in the area
>>> you don't understand. If English is not your first language, I'll get it
>>> translated. I aim to please you. I'm terribly honored by the
>>> condescending tone of your question and glad to help.
>>>
>>> My premise has been this:
>>>
>>>
>>> MSFT is doing poorly at educating the public as to Vista, not to mention
>>> they haven't been able to fix major components like Device Manager since
>>> 1995. One of the major features of devmgmt.msc is to validate driver
>>> health and it doesn't. Google for the Beta driver chats.
>>>
>>> My points--and let me know if you need this made more clear or suscinct:
>>>
>>> 1) MSFT makes a disingenuous pomp and circumstance of encouraging
>>> customer feedback from the public.
>>> However they **** on that by not allowing Connect access to bugs. They
>>> make the Beta available as a sales adjunct to the campaings by Wagner
>>> Edstrom and McCann Ericson Worldwide. They hide bugs because they want
>>> to promote sales of a product that is going to ship broken that they
>>> didn't fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) To maximize education they need to make Beta Chats available in one
>>> place on ther sites and in an MSKB the way they make milestone build
>>> fixes available in KBs you haven't seen.
>>>
>>> 3) To maximize education they need to make Beta Live Meetings available
>>> on their site.
>>>
>>> This gives up nothing propiritiary and doesn't impact any vague lol
>>> "security for their beta" whatsoever that Tom Ziegler very nebulously
>>> alluded to saying MSFT had "their own reasons." It promotes education
>>> in the same way that MSFT's pilot school in Pennsylvanania that is in
>>> the news this week does.
>>>
>>> I want the public to be much better users. I want them to have a much
>>> clearer u nderstanding than they have of how to download RC1 and get
>>> product keys which seems the subject of endless obsession.
>>>
>>> I realize that many of the people who ask these questions are a little
>>> too lazy to navigate to the MSFT sites and read them, so it becomes all
>>> the more imperative to up the level of education.
>>>
>>> I also think that those of us who work on newsgroups to help explain
>>> features and fix Windows for MSFT's customers and sometimes evangelize
>>> their products are entitled to high qaulity Vista info. It isn't on
>>> MSFT's site on most of the major system features of Vista the way it was
>>> for XP at the stage between RC1 and RC2 during the late summer of 2005.
>>>
>>> If this is not clear to you, by all means ask me to parse it. I was
>>> born in California, so I don't know if my command of English is up to
>>> the usual sophisticated level you're accustomed to.
>>>
>>> I want to make it very clear.
>>>
>>> I also alluded to the fact that one of the major sales revenue streasms
>>> to customers of MSFT for Vista will be on pre-installed boxes. The
>>> major repair modality for a no boot Vista is Win RE--and it's cheif
>>> component is Startup Repair located on the setup screen at the lower
>>> left as "Recovery." The OEM purchasers will not have a Vista retail DVD
>>> due to a nasty policy conjointly promoted by MSFT and its 30OEM "name
>>> partners" big guys like Dell, HP, Sony who make among other things
>>> computers. . They will have recovery CDs and hidden and non-hidden
>>> partitions that WILL NOT reach Win RE. This is analagous to the same
>>> arrangement in Win XP where the recovery discs and partitions would not
>>> do a repair install which is the chief modality to fix a no boot XP
>>> after F8 Windows Advanced options fail.
>>>
>>> I have an additional challenge for you:
>>>
>>> You take what OEM sends you and choose any of your ten home boys and
>>> girls you think are superior Windows users. I'll take the retail XP CDs
>>> and DVDs. We''ll put up some substantial money and see who wins as to
>>> recovery with what we each have to use.
>>>
>>> You game? Bring it.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "SAM-R" <SAM-> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Do you have a point to make? Because if you do, you have not made it.
>>>> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> "CLOSED WON'T FIX" 9/16/06
>>>>>
>>>>> All of these cheerleaders for MSFT who say they care what the public
>>>>> files as to bugs should know they totally reject the idea of giving
>>>>> you any meaningful access to the bugs filed on Connect.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/06, I used Connect's feedback program (which I suppose is
>>>>> available to anyone) to suggest that they open bugs to the public as
>>>>> well as their Beta Chats and their Live Meetings that approximately
>>>>> 110 people max attend on the average out of 27,000 TBTs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The resolution was "CLOSED WON'T FIX" 9/16/06 and even though I
>>>>> designated it public, they took it private to hide it in keeping with
>>>>> the devious MSFT no-transparency culture now fostered by the new
>>>>> Sinofsky regime. It's the same culture that has MSFT turning over all
>>>>> your MSN searches to the government and their security bloggers lying
>>>>> to you about doing it as of their meeting June 1 and 2 in Washington,
>>>>> D.C.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suggestion complaint read:
>>>>>
>>>>> "MSFT has deployed an attitude of utmost contempt for the public and
>>>>> the CPP by restricting information from them and defeating any
>>>>> semblance of a learning curve. Connect blocks access to bug reports
>>>>> by the public.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is done with the intention of preventing their customsers from
>>>>> contexting bugs, seeing bugs, realizing what won't be fixed or what is
>>>>> deffered to "fix" and never will be by Blackcomb Vienna.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSFT further in the most quintissential anti-education posture
>>>>> possible in contrast to the Gates Foundation stomps all over the
>>>>> learning curves of their customers with respect to Vista by
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) denying them access to Beta chats where some real info is exchanged
>>>>> that only approximately 100-200 people out of 27000 Beta testors in
>>>>> different groups including but not restricted to TBT and TAP and those
>>>>> added in the last few months. Instead of sensibly providing a central
>>>>> link for all the chats on the MSFT web site, say
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista and the Technet site and MSDN
>>>>> they hide the chats. Selected MSDN bloggers put selected chats on
>>>>> line, and afik the chats aren't under any NDA. How inconsiderate to
>>>>> hide them from the public.
>>>>>
>>>>> How anti learning for a company who considers its employees elete
>>>>> applicants with creme de la crem academic pedigress although this is
>>>>> hardly the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) MSFT also denies their public customer base who put food on their
>>>>> tables and toys in their homes access to multiple *Beta Live Meetings
>>>>> on Vista (I'm not talking about the infrequent and question limited
>>>>> Technet LMs) during the week and refuses to archive them. They have no
>>>>> more than 200 and often less attendies. There are 27000 plus TBTs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) MSFT also restricts their Beta newsgroups from the public and there
>>>>> is no reason to do so. The public Vista grousp are considerably less
>>>>> in number, and the information is considerably less in quality with
>>>>> even more newbie questions than on the TBT groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSFT's only regard for the public is in the context of a file and
>>>>> settings transfer manger--to transfer as much bandwidth of cash into
>>>>> the MSFT pockets from the public as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSFT has Community Liasons assigned to key Vista teams who have not
>>>>> lifted a finger to publish comprehensive information on the MSFT
>>>>> public websites. Excellent information is available on MSDN and
>>>>> Technet blogs, but they are known and used by a limited number and
>>>>> subset of people.
>>>>>
>>>>> No comprehensive and decent level information is available on SFC and
>>>>> Win RE in Vista on any MSFT site. What is there is insulting to anyone
>>>>> with an interest in Windows who is provides consistent considerable
>>>>> help for your customers on your newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion Category
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback (Bugs and Suggestions)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct this eggregious lack of information immediately.
>>>>> 1) Make the Beta chats public and archive them in a central place
>>>>> and showcase this on your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>> 2) Make the Beta Live Meetings all public and archive them in a
>>>>> central place and showcase this on your community websites and Vista
>>>>> sites.
>>>>> 3) Stop hiding bug access for Beta testers. TBTs have offered to
>>>>> check them for adults who are interested on your public newsgroups.
>>>>> That arms length approach would be pathetic.
>>>>> 4) The public doesn't have any feedback as to efforts they expend
>>>>> to give you bug information. MSFT doesn't give a damn what the
>>>>> unwashed public thinks. Your arrogance that cost you nearly 250
>>>>> million and growing fines after Brad Smith's litigation with the
>>>>> European Union (make sure Brad gets a big Christmas bonus) is
>>>>> systemically branded on this policy that is going to generate
>>>>> untrained Vista users in your public customer base.
>>>>> Get the Community writers on the Vista teams off their butts and
>>>>> have them post comprehensive articles on the MSFT Vista sites, not
>>>>> some pathetic cheerleading manual like the "Product Guide." You are
>>>>> about 50 days from an October 25 Internal RTM which is shoving this
>>>>> half baked unfinished
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestion Category
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback (Bugs and Suggestions)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct this eggregious lack of information immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Make the Beta chats public and archive them in a central place and
>>>>> showcase this on your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Make the Beta Live Meetings all public and archive them in a
>>>>> central place and showcase this on your community websites and Vista
>>>>> sites.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Stop hiding bug access for Beta testers. TBTs have offered to check
>>>>> them for adults who are interested on your public newsgroups. That
>>>>> arms length approach would be pathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) The public doesn't have any feedback as to efforts they expend to
>>>>> give you bug information. MSFT doesn't give a damn what the unwashed
>>>>> public thinks. Your arrogance that cost you nearly 250 million and
>>>>> growing fines after Brad Smith's litigation with the European Union
>>>>> (make sure Brad gets a big Christmas bonus) is systemically branded on
>>>>> this policy that is going to generate untrained Vista users in your
>>>>> public customer base.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the Community writers on the Vista teams off their butts and have
>>>>> them post comprehensive articles on the MSFT Vista sites, not some
>>>>> pathetic cheerleading manual like the "Product Guide." You are about
>>>>> 50 days from an October 25 Internal RTM which is shoving this half
>>>>> baked unfinished and if anyone wants to see them RC1 replete flawed OS
>>>>> out the door.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista is not to use the MSFT synchophant mantra in the category that
>>>>> it "like so rocks." That's crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A more realistic take is the article by Ed Bott who says if you stick
>>>>> to your current time table it will be horrendous. Ed Bott is the
>>>>> author of MSFT Press Windows Vista Inside Out, Windows XP Inside Out,
>>>>> and runs too blogs. Read them. Learn what Vista is really like.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be happy to go one on one with any one from Redmond MSFT and
>>>>> point out what isn't being fixed in RC1 today."
>>>>>
>>>>> CH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Just for you, Chad.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft Gives Bonuses to Execs

The bonuses must be rewards for shipping all those great products on
time. This week, Microsoft handed out almost $1 billion worth of
stock-based bonuses to more than 900 company executives. Eight top
executives took home a total of $81.4 million, with the highest bonus-
-$22.5 million--going to Microsoft Business Division President Jeff
Raikes. Other massive payouts include $8.4 million to Entertainment
and Devices Division President Robert Bach, $4.5 million to Human
Resources Senior Vice President Lisa Brummel, $18 million to Platforms
Group Co-President Kevin Johnson, $3.8 million to CFO Christopher
Liddell, $7.1 million to General Counsel Brad Smith, and $16.2 million
to COO Kevin Turner. Sadly, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer don't receive
bonuses under the company's compensation program. I hope they've saved
up enough for retirement.


"Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
news:%23GtMOS%...
> LOL--Thanks Jeff.
>
> They're smart. It wouldn't kill them or stop the Porsches from piling into their grarages
> and the Plasmas and spiffy toys in their households from streaming in by the bucketful to
> supply a genuine Vista DVD to their syncophantic customers.
>
> MSFT knows when they are screwing people over. The marketing and cheap worthless tech
> support they provide and lack of a recovery mechanism for their 20% increased OEM sales last
> quarter and 20% decreased retail sales according to the financial report Ballmer discussed in
> NYC and DC is very profitable.
>
> It's enabled many of them to be very productive in the philanthropic realm, even giving Billy
> Gates an incentive to learn a little basic medicine.
>
> Notice that not one of them has dared to respond. None of the "setup studs or studesses"
> will take my challenge of me against them, Allchin, Gates, and anyone they want to bring with
> their laptops and kickass tablets s and the shitty media they craft a deal with via their
> non-engineer accountant Scott Di Valeriano for OEMs to shove at people, and take me on with
> a retail Vista DVD.
>
>
> We'll take out a few files like ntldr Vista's boot strap mechanism components and see which
> one of us--the softies from the setup team and their hot dogs or me wins the contest of
> fixing a no boot Vista time after time. My point--they don't give a damn whether their
> customers can recover a no boot Vista and Startup Repair btw is not near as successful
> statistically as a Repair Install in XP--and they don't want to talk about the features that
> Desmond Lee PM cut out of Win RE that were promised a year ago.
>
> My point there is they screw people conjointly with OEMs in a really important area--Gates is
> studying medicine heavily now to help his foundation with HIV so in terms Gates can
> understand when Vista needs CPR they deprive Vista of the crashcart and send it to the
> hospital morgue and don't give people a chance with OEM crappy recovery discs and partitions
> and whoops NO VISTA RETAIL DVD WITH THEIR $1000-3500 spiffy duo core or quad core new Vista
> Capable boxes to recover.
>
> They may be Vista Capable, but they sure aren't capable of recovering Vista from a no boot
> without a retail DVD. They pullled the same thing for 6 years in XP.
>
> You won't see their syncophantic cheerleader Nick White from the Vista Launch team ( or what
> I call the kick the pig out the door fast and put some Sinofsky rouge and lipstick from his
> purse on -- letting out a peep on this or any of them. It's the dirty little secret they are
> afraid to talk about.
>
> Any softie from the setup team who wants to challenge this, Darrrell Gorter where are ya
> baby, speak up.
>
> I'll betcha in the US of America all those SUV gas guzzling makers who are now on the ropes
> having funded terrorism at both ends as Tom Friedman NYT says, and put crisp Franklins into
> the hands of Hezbollah from the gas pumps of America to drive the equivalant of the polo
> horsie on their proud chests, wish that their customers were such synchophants that they will
> defend MSFT the way Ann Coulter defends mass killing and stay the course.
>
> Ole Maria Cantwell now finds herself in a race out in Redmond land with her Republican
> opponent for her "stay the course" irrationality. She has no coherent explanation that's
> even remotely articulate for it either. But affluent white girls who ran Real rarely send
> their kids to Iraq. No one in Maria's family is anywhere near it. She's bravely fighting
> the war from Georgetown bistros.
>
> http://cantwell.senate.gov/maria/
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
> CH
>
>
>
> CH
> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi Chad;
>> Upsetting people again; I see.
>> Daring to make waves? LOL
>> Dare I say; thinking out of the box?
>> Seems the tone of this thread;is making you a tad defensive!!!
>> Too funny; good to read ya though!!
>> BTW, an MSFT guy got back to me;about that Avast issue.
>> Still looking at it.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> Spelling:
>>>
>>>
>>> No Sam--you can't read something clearly written with sufficient comprehension. Try this.
>>> I'll do my best to me ake it clear. If it's not--don't be shy and sing out. I'll parse it
>>> more clearly in the area you
>>> don't understand. If English is not your first language, I'll get it translated. I aim to
>>> please you. I'm terribly honored by the condescending, dismissive tone of your question
>>> and glad to help. I also eagerly look forward to the large volume of help you plan to post
>>> here--someday.
>>>
>>> My premise has been this:
>>>
>>>
>>> MSFT is doing poorly at educating the public as to Vista, not to mention
>>> they haven't been able to fix major components like Device Manager since
>>> 1995. One of the major features of devmgmt.msc is to validate driver health
>>> and it doesn't. Google for the Beta driver chats.
>>>
>>> My points--and let me know if you need this made more clear or suscinct:
>>>
>>> 1) MSFT makes a disingenuous pomp and circumstance of encouraging customer
>>> feedback from the public. However they **** on that by not allowing Connect access to
>>> bugs. They make
>>> the Beta available as a sales adjunct to the campaigns by Wagner Edstrom and
>>> McCann Ericson Worldwide. They hide bugs because they want to promote sales
>>> of a product that is going to ship broken that they didn't fix.
>>>
>>> 2) 2) To maximize education they need to make Beta Chats available in one place
>>> on ther sites and in an MSKB the way they make milestone build fixes
>>> available in KBs you haven't seen.
>>>
>>> 3) To maximize education they need to make Beta Live Meetings available on
>>> their site.
>>>
>>> The reason I want these showcased and available is that they provide a lot of detail that
>>> answers questions people continue to ask.
>>>
>>> 4) This gives up nothing propiritiary and doesn't impact any vague lol
>>> "security for their beta" whatsoever that Tom Ziegler very nebulously
>>> alluded to saying MSFT had "their own reasons." It promotes education in
>>> the same way that MSFT's pilot high school that purports to use only laptops and no books
>>> in Pennsylvanania that is in the news this week does.
>>>
>>> 5) want the public to be much better users. I want them to have a much
>>> clearer understanding than they have of how to download RC1 and get product
>>> keys which seems the subject of endless obsession. I have seen people told repeatedly how
>>> to get RC1 and have done it myself and noticed that they post questions without doing a
>>> search on the group--they probably don't know it exists and are using the crappy web
>>> interface made by the MSFT communnity instead of OE or Win Mail. Many of the questions
>>> here are asked hundreds of times because people are to lazy to search the answers that most
>>> of us have answered hundreds of times who do the answering.
>>>
>>> I realize that many of the people who ask these questions are a little too
>>> lazy to navigate to the MSFT sites and read them, so it becomes all the more
>>> imperative to up the level of education.
>>>
>>> I also think that those of us who work on newsgroups to help explain features and fix
>>> Windows for MSFT's customers and sometimes evangelize their products are entitled to high
>>> qaulity Vista info. It isn't on MSFT's site on most of the major system features of Vista
>>> the way it was for XP at the stage between RC1 and RC2 during the late summer of 2001
>>> before the Windows XP Launch on October 25, 2001.
>>> I also understand a very small percent of XP users on the planet used Help and Support in
>>> XP, and I hope they will take advantage of the new Help server for Vista as well as Guided
>>> Support's work in progress in Vista should they need it.
>>>
>>> If this is not clear to you, by all means ask me to parse it. I was born in
>>> California, so I don't know if my command of English is up to the usual
>>> sophisticated level you're accustomed to.
>>>
>>> I want to make it very clear.
>>>
>>> I also alluded to the fact that one of the major sales revenue streasms to customers of
>>> MSFT for Vista will be on pre-installed boxes. The major repair modality for a no boot
>>> Vista is Win RE--and it's cheif component is Startup Repair located on the setup screen at
>>> the lower left as "Recovery."
>>>
>>> The OEM purchasers will not have a Vista retail DVD due to a nasty policy conjointly
>>> promoted by MSFT and its 30OEM "name partners" big guys like Dell, HP, Sony who make among
>>> other things computers. . They will have recovery CDs and hidden and non-hidden
>>> partitions that *WILL NOT* reach Win
>>> RE. This is analagous to the same arrangement in Win XP where the recovery discs and
>>> partitions would not do a repair install which is the chief modality to fix a no boot XP
>>> after F8 Windows Advanced options fail.
>>>
>>> I have an additional challenge tailored just for Sam-R:
>>>
>>> You take what OEM sends you and choose any of your ten home boys and girls
>>> you think are superior Windows users. I'll take the retail XP CDs and DVDs.
>>> We''ll put up some substantial money and see who wins as to recovery with
>>> what we each have to use.
>>>
>>> You game? Bring it.
>>>
>>> [Please let me know if you can't comprehend the *points* that have been made here Sam-R. I
>>> aim to please you and will be glad to refine the clarification until you can comprehend
>>> it.]
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>> No Sam--you can't read something clearly written with sufficeint comprehension. Try this.
>>>> I'll do my best to m ake it clear. If it's not--don't be shy and sing out. I'll parse it
>>>> more clearly in the area you don't understand. If English is not your first language, I'll
>>>> get it translated. I aim to please you. I'm terribly honored by the condescending tone of
>>>> your question and glad to help.
>>>>
>>>> My premise has been this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MSFT is doing poorly at educating the public as to Vista, not to mention they haven't been
>>>> able to fix major components like Device Manager since 1995. One of the major features of
>>>> devmgmt.msc is to validate driver health and it doesn't. Google for the Beta driver
>>>> chats.
>>>>
>>>> My points--and let me know if you need this made more clear or suscinct:
>>>>
>>>> 1) MSFT makes a disingenuous pomp and circumstance of encouraging customer feedback from
>>>> the public.
>>>> However they **** on that by not allowing Connect access to bugs. They make the Beta
>>>> available as a sales adjunct to the campaings by Wagner Edstrom and McCann Ericson
>>>> Worldwide. They hide bugs because they want to promote sales of a product that is going
>>>> to ship broken that they didn't fix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2) To maximize education they need to make Beta Chats available in one place on ther sites
>>>> and in an MSKB the way they make milestone build fixes available in KBs you haven't seen.
>>>>
>>>> 3) To maximize education they need to make Beta Live Meetings available on their site.
>>>>
>>>> This gives up nothing propiritiary and doesn't impact any vague lol "security for their
>>>> beta" whatsoever that Tom Ziegler very nebulously alluded to saying MSFT had "their own
>>>> reasons." It promotes education in the same way that MSFT's pilot school in
>>>> Pennsylvanania that is in the news this week does.
>>>>
>>>> I want the public to be much better users. I want them to have a much clearer u
>>>> nderstanding than they have of how to download RC1 and get product keys which seems the
>>>> subject of endless obsession.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that many of the people who ask these questions are a little too lazy to
>>>> navigate to the MSFT sites and read them, so it becomes all the more imperative to up the
>>>> level of education.
>>>>
>>>> I also think that those of us who work on newsgroups to help explain features and fix
>>>> Windows for MSFT's customers and sometimes evangelize their products are entitled to high
>>>> qaulity Vista info. It isn't on MSFT's site on most of the major system features of
>>>> Vista the way it was for XP at the stage between RC1 and RC2 during the late summer of
>>>> 2005.
>>>>
>>>> If this is not clear to you, by all means ask me to parse it. I was born in California,
>>>> so I don't know if my command of English is up to the usual sophisticated level you're
>>>> accustomed to.
>>>>
>>>> I want to make it very clear.
>>>>
>>>> I also alluded to the fact that one of the major sales revenue streasms to customers of
>>>> MSFT for Vista will be on pre-installed boxes. The major repair modality for a no boot
>>>> Vista is Win RE--and it's cheif component is Startup Repair located on the setup screen at
>>>> the lower left as "Recovery." The OEM purchasers will not have a Vista retail DVD due to a
>>>> nasty policy conjointly promoted by MSFT and its 30OEM "name partners" big guys like Dell,
>>>> HP, Sony who make among other things computers. . They will have recovery CDs and hidden
>>>> and non-hidden partitions that WILL NOT reach Win RE. This is analagous to the same
>>>> arrangement in Win XP where the recovery discs and partitions would not do a repair
>>>> install which is the chief modality to fix a no boot XP after F8 Windows Advanced options
>>>> fail.
>>>>
>>>> I have an additional challenge for you:
>>>>
>>>> You take what OEM sends you and choose any of your ten home boys and girls you think are
>>>> superior Windows users. I'll take the retail XP CDs and DVDs. We''ll put up some
>>>> substantial money and see who wins as to recovery with what we each have to use.
>>>>
>>>> You game? Bring it.
>>>>
>>>> CH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SAM-R" <SAM-> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Do you have a point to make? Because if you do, you have not made it.
>>>>> "Chad Harris" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> "CLOSED WON'T FIX" 9/16/06
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of these cheerleaders for MSFT who say they care what the public files as to bugs
>>>>>> should know they totally reject the idea of giving you any meaningful access to the bugs
>>>>>> filed on Connect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/06, I used Connect's feedback program (which I suppose is available to anyone) to
>>>>>> suggest that they open bugs to the public as well as their Beta Chats and their Live
>>>>>> Meetings that approximately 110 people max attend on the average out of 27,000 TBTs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The resolution was "CLOSED WON'T FIX" 9/16/06 and even though I designated it public,
>>>>>> they took it private to hide it in keeping with the devious MSFT no-transparency culture
>>>>>> now fostered by the new Sinofsky regime. It's the same culture that has MSFT turning
>>>>>> over all your MSN searches to the government and their security bloggers lying to you
>>>>>> about doing it as of their meeting June 1 and 2 in Washington, D.C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The suggestion complaint read:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "MSFT has deployed an attitude of utmost contempt for the public and the CPP by
>>>>>> restricting information from them and defeating any semblance of a learning curve.
>>>>>> Connect blocks access to bug reports by the public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is done with the intention of preventing their customsers from contexting bugs,
>>>>>> seeing bugs, realizing what won't be fixed or what is deffered to "fix" and never will
>>>>>> be by Blackcomb Vienna.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSFT further in the most quintissential anti-education posture possible in contrast to
>>>>>> the Gates Foundation stomps all over the learning curves of their customers with respect
>>>>>> to Vista by
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) denying them access to Beta chats where some real info is exchanged that only
>>>>>> approximately 100-200 people out of 27000 Beta testors in different groups including but
>>>>>> not restricted to TBT and TAP and those added in the last few months. Instead of
>>>>>> sensibly providing a central link for all the chats on the MSFT web site, say
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista and the Technet site and MSDN they hide the chats.
>>>>>> Selected MSDN bloggers put selected chats on line, and afik the chats aren't under any
>>>>>> NDA. How inconsiderate to hide them from the public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How anti learning for a company who considers its employees elete applicants with creme
>>>>>> de la crem academic pedigress although this is hardly the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) MSFT also denies their public customer base who put food on their tables and toys in
>>>>>> their homes access to multiple *Beta Live Meetings on Vista (I'm not talking about the
>>>>>> infrequent and question limited Technet LMs) during the week and refuses to archive
>>>>>> them. They have no more than 200 and often less attendies. There are 27000 plus TBTs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) MSFT also restricts their Beta newsgroups from the public and there is no reason to
>>>>>> do so. The public Vista grousp are considerably less in number, and the information is
>>>>>> considerably less in quality with even more newbie questions than on the TBT groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSFT's only regard for the public is in the context of a file and settings transfer
>>>>>> manger--to transfer as much bandwidth of cash into the MSFT pockets from the public as
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSFT has Community Liasons assigned to key Vista teams who have not lifted a finger to
>>>>>> publish comprehensive information on the MSFT public websites. Excellent information is
>>>>>> available on MSDN and Technet blogs, but they are known and used by a limited number and
>>>>>> subset of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No comprehensive and decent level information is available on SFC and Win RE in Vista on
>>>>>> any MSFT site. What is there is insulting to anyone with an interest in Windows who is
>>>>>> provides consistent considerable help for your customers on your newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion Category
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback (Bugs and Suggestions)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct this eggregious lack of information immediately.
>>>>>> 1) Make the Beta chats public and archive them in a central place and showcase this
>>>>>> on your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>>> 2) Make the Beta Live Meetings all public and archive them in a central place and
>>>>>> showcase this on your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>>> 3) Stop hiding bug access for Beta testers. TBTs have offered to check them for
>>>>>> adults who are interested on your public newsgroups. That arms length approach would be
>>>>>> pathetic.
>>>>>> 4) The public doesn't have any feedback as to efforts they expend to give you bug
>>>>>> information. MSFT doesn't give a damn what the unwashed public thinks. Your arrogance
>>>>>> that cost you nearly 250 million and growing fines after Brad Smith's litigation with
>>>>>> the European Union (make sure Brad gets a big Christmas bonus) is systemically branded
>>>>>> on this policy that is going to generate untrained Vista users in your public customer
>>>>>> base.
>>>>>> Get the Community writers on the Vista teams off their butts and have them post
>>>>>> comprehensive articles on the MSFT Vista sites, not some pathetic cheerleading manual
>>>>>> like the "Product Guide." You are about 50 days from an October 25 Internal RTM which is
>>>>>> shoving this half baked unfinished
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion Category
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback (Bugs and Suggestions)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct this eggregious lack of information immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Make the Beta chats public and archive them in a central place and showcase this on
>>>>>> your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Make the Beta Live Meetings all public and archive them in a central place and
>>>>>> showcase this on your community websites and Vista sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Stop hiding bug access for Beta testers. TBTs have offered to check them for adults
>>>>>> who are interested on your public newsgroups. That arms length approach would be
>>>>>> pathetic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) The public doesn't have any feedback as to efforts they expend to give you bug
>>>>>> information. MSFT doesn't give a damn what the unwashed public thinks. Your arrogance
>>>>>> that cost you nearly 250 million and growing fines after Brad Smith's litigation with
>>>>>> the European Union (make sure Brad gets a big Christmas bonus) is systemically branded
>>>>>> on this policy that is going to generate untrained Vista users in your public customer
>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get the Community writers on the Vista teams off their butts and have them post
>>>>>> comprehensive articles on the MSFT Vista sites, not some pathetic cheerleading manual
>>>>>> like the "Product Guide." You are about 50 days from an October 25 Internal RTM which is
>>>>>> shoving this half baked unfinished and if anyone wants to see them RC1 replete flawed OS
>>>>>> out the door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista is not to use the MSFT synchophant mantra in the category that it "like so rocks."
>>>>>> That's crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A more realistic take is the article by Ed Bott who says if you stick to your current
>>>>>> time table it will be horrendous. Ed Bott is the author of MSFT Press Windows Vista
>>>>>> Inside Out, Windows XP Inside Out, and runs too blogs. Read them. Learn what Vista is
>>>>>> really like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be happy to go one on one with any one from Redmond MSFT and point out what
>>>>>> isn't being fixed in RC1 today."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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