Re: Upgrade to Vista for XP Media Center 2005 OEM recovery disc

You cannot choose clean install. There is no such option. The options are
"ugprade" and "custom" and the difference is whether or not you can retain
your files, settings, and apps or have to reinstall them.

Vista setup will not request shiny media for verification of eligibility for
upgrade pricing. It will search the system for installed Windows.

Your recovery cd is not applicable since Windows must be installed,
activated, and genuine in order for you to use an upgrade edition to install
Vista.

The term "clean install" is a concept but not a choice on any Setup screens.

"Rhino90" <> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I heard that when you use a Vista UPGRADE disc it will ask you to choose
> either Upgrade or Clean Install, and if you select Clean Install it will
> ask
> for a Genuine Windows XP disc. I only have a OEM Recovery Disc 'cause
> thats
> all that came with my new computer. Will the recovery disc work if I
> choose
> Clean Install.
>
> Thanks.

What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I got
was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Version 2005
For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the Vista setup accept
the Recovery disc.

Thanks.

Rhino90 wrote:

> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I
> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the Vista
> setup accept the Recovery disc.

Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from a
working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
Vista upgrade version.

Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will insert
the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

We have just learned from Darrel Gorter that there are situations where you
will not be required to run Setup from a desktop after entering the upgrade
edition pk. An example might be migrating from XP Pro SP2 to Vista Home
Premium. Darrel ran an experiment in which he booted with a dvd and used an
upgrade edition product key and Setup did a compliance check and then
continued with the installation without requiring him to restart and run
Setup from a desktop. I posted more details in vista.general. This is new
news as it were.

However it remains true that the OP still won't be asked for shiny media.

"Malke" <> wrote in message
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> Rhino90 wrote:
>
>> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
>> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I
>> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
>> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the
>> Vista
>> setup accept the Recovery disc.
>
> Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
> install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
> times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from a
> working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
> Vista upgrade version.
>
> Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will
> insert
> the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Thank you for the kind remarks.

"Clean" install is not an option on any screen, full edition or upgrade.
You only get custom and upgrade options. However, if you boot with a full
edition dvd you will have the Advanced Options button which leads to the
format command. That means you can do a clean install when you have booted
with the dvd by reformatting the target before you select custom.

When you start Setup, full edition or upgrade, from a desktop though you do
not get the Advanced Options button and therefore cannot format from within
Setup. Since a custom option will only do a format if the disk is raw, you
are not guaranteed a classic clean installation when you use custom if
reformatting is part of your idea of what constitutes a "clean" install.

Having said all of this, Darrel Gorter did an experiment with an upgrade
edition product key and his findings have certainly shed new light on what
we can and cannot do. It came out that an upgrade edition product key does
not always require running from a desktop. I started a discussion of his
findings in vista.general.

"morrisg" <> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> The term "clean install" is a concept but not a choice on any Setup
>> screens.
>
> Colin, I know that you give a lot of your time and experience for the
> benefit of the rest of us. We hang on your every word.
> So, reading your sentence above, should it have said "....not a
> choice
> of on any UPGRADE Setup screen" ?
> (I know you were responding to a question specifically about upgrading)
>
> But surely, it's a choice with a full retail version?
> By the way, I was impressed with your patience with the original poster,
> you
> have clarified this item many times.
>
> Many thanks
> morrisg
>
>

Not sure what you are saying here, but there is some confusion about what
Darrell said. If you mean that this poster can go from XP Pro SP2 to
Vista64 Home Premium, as I conjecture about his post, I think you are
correct, but I still don't believe you can go from 32-bit to 32-bit versions
with an upgrade code.

So if I have Windows XP 32-bit installed and I boot to the Windows XP x64
DVD and enter an upgrade key, setup does continue.

While he says Windows XP x64, he also says DVD and he dumped his XP x64 to
test so I think he means he used the Vista 64-bit DVD with an upgrade key.
We'll see.

"Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
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> We have just learned from Darrel Gorter that there are situations where
> you will not be required to run Setup from a desktop after entering the
> upgrade edition pk. An example might be migrating from XP Pro SP2 to
> Vista Home Premium. Darrel ran an experiment in which he booted with a
> dvd and used an upgrade edition product key and Setup did a compliance
> check and then continued with the installation without requiring him to
> restart and run Setup from a desktop. I posted more details in
> vista.general. This is new news as it were.
>
> However it remains true that the OP still won't be asked for shiny media.
>
> "Malke" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Rhino90 wrote:
>>
>>> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I
>>> know
>>> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all
>>> I
>>> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
>>> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the
>>> Vista
>>> setup accept the Recovery disc.
>>
>> Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
>> install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
>> times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from
>> a
>> working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
>> Vista upgrade version.
>>
>> Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will
>> insert
>> the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

The implications I am drawing from his experiment is that the yellow dots in
the upgrade matrix are those combinations where I suspect that Setup
continues rather than directing the user to run from the desktop. This
would be the interpretation of "clean" in the text following the matrix.
Conversely, the green dots are where the upgrade option is enabled in Setup
and so the user is directed to run Setup from the desktop. I am waiting to
see if that is confirmed.

The other unanswered upgrade edition question is what capabilities does one
have in regards to the custom install option in any of these scenarios?

"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
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> Not sure what you are saying here, but there is some confusion about what
> Darrell said. If you mean that this poster can go from XP Pro SP2 to
> Vista64 Home Premium, as I conjecture about his post, I think you are
> correct, but I still don't believe you can go from 32-bit to 32-bit
> versions with an upgrade code.
>
> So if I have Windows XP 32-bit installed and I boot to the Windows XP x64
> DVD and enter an upgrade key, setup does continue.
>
> While he says Windows XP x64, he also says DVD and he dumped his XP x64 to
> test so I think he means he used the Vista 64-bit DVD with an upgrade key.
> We'll see.
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
> news:F60C91F2-21B2-4E78-BCE8-...
>> We have just learned from Darrel Gorter that there are situations where
>> you will not be required to run Setup from a desktop after entering the
>> upgrade edition pk. An example might be migrating from XP Pro SP2 to
>> Vista Home Premium. Darrel ran an experiment in which he booted with a
>> dvd and used an upgrade edition product key and Setup did a compliance
>> check and then continued with the installation without requiring him to
>> restart and run Setup from a desktop. I posted more details in
>> vista.general. This is new news as it were.
>>
>> However it remains true that the OP still won't be asked for shiny media.
>>
>> "Malke" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Rhino90 wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I
>>>> know
>>>> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all
>>>> I
>>>> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
>>>> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the
>>>> Vista
>>>> setup accept the Recovery disc.
>>>
>>> Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
>>> install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
>>> times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from
>>> a
>>> working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
>>> Vista upgrade version.
>>>
>>> Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will
>>> insert
>>> the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.
>>>
>>> Malke
>>> --
>>> Elephant Boy Computers
>>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>> "Don't Panic!"
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>

Your interpretation is a little different than mine. I interpret his test
to mean that 32-bit to 32-bit upgrades, upgrade or custom must be done from
the desktop, buy 32-bit to 64-bit upgrades (always custom) can be done from
the DVD provided that the qualifying OS is installed on the machine. Guess
we will find out when Darrell answers the question.

"Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
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> The implications I am drawing from his experiment is that the yellow dots
> in the upgrade matrix are those combinations where I suspect that Setup
> continues rather than directing the user to run from the desktop. This
> would be the interpretation of "clean" in the text following the matrix.
> Conversely, the green dots are where the upgrade option is enabled in
> Setup and so the user is directed to run Setup from the desktop. I am
> waiting to see if that is confirmed.
>
> The other unanswered upgrade edition question is what capabilities does
> one have in regards to the custom install option in any of these
> scenarios?
>
> "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Not sure what you are saying here, but there is some confusion about what
>> Darrell said. If you mean that this poster can go from XP Pro SP2 to
>> Vista64 Home Premium, as I conjecture about his post, I think you are
>> correct, but I still don't believe you can go from 32-bit to 32-bit
>> versions with an upgrade code.
>>
>> So if I have Windows XP 32-bit installed and I boot to the Windows XP x64
>> DVD and enter an upgrade key, setup does continue.
>>
>> While he says Windows XP x64, he also says DVD and he dumped his XP x64
>> to test so I think he means he used the Vista 64-bit DVD with an upgrade
>> key. We'll see.
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
>> news:F60C91F2-21B2-4E78-BCE8-...
>>> We have just learned from Darrel Gorter that there are situations where
>>> you will not be required to run Setup from a desktop after entering the
>>> upgrade edition pk. An example might be migrating from XP Pro SP2 to
>>> Vista Home Premium. Darrel ran an experiment in which he booted with a
>>> dvd and used an upgrade edition product key and Setup did a compliance
>>> check and then continued with the installation without requiring him to
>>> restart and run Setup from a desktop. I posted more details in
>>> vista.general. This is new news as it were.
>>>
>>> However it remains true that the OP still won't be asked for shiny
>>> media.
>>>
>>> "Malke" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Rhino90 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I
>>>>> know
>>>>> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer
>>>>> all I
>>>>> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
>>>>> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> setup accept the Recovery disc.
>>>>
>>>> Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
>>>> install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
>>>> times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade
>>>> from a
>>>> working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
>>>> Vista upgrade version.
>>>>
>>>> Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will
>>>> insert
>>>> the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.
>>>>
>>>> Malke
>>>> --
>>>> Elephant Boy Computers
>>>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>>> "Don't Panic!"
>>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>>
>>
>

Give the Upgrade Matrix and the following notes another reading and see what
you think.

For example, how would migrating from Win2k to Vista x86 work? Wouldn't it
be the same as from XP Pro x64 to Vista x64? I don't think the bitness is
going to be the issue at all. If Setup can scan the system to determine if
a qualifying copy of Windows is running, it can also determine whether the
upgrade option will be enabled and branch on that. That may well be where
the Upgrade Matrix came from in the first place.

"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
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> Your interpretation is a little different than mine. I interpret his test
> to mean that 32-bit to 32-bit upgrades, upgrade or custom must be done
> from the desktop, buy 32-bit to 64-bit upgrades (always custom) can be
> done from the DVD provided that the qualifying OS is installed on the
> machine. Guess we will find out when Darrell answers the question.
>

Darrel says all x86 to x86 need to run from the desktop, so I guess that's
it. However, he confirms that booting with an x64 dvd will allow
installation of x64 on a 64bit capable system running x86 legacy and that is
great news.

"Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
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> Give the Upgrade Matrix and the following notes another reading and see
> what you think.
>
> For example, how would migrating from Win2k to Vista x86 work? Wouldn't
> it be the same as from XP Pro x64 to Vista x64? I don't think the bitness
> is going to be the issue at all. If Setup can scan the system to
> determine if a qualifying copy of Windows is running, it can also
> determine whether the upgrade option will be enabled and branch on that.
> That may well be where the Upgrade Matrix came from in the first place.
>
> "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Your interpretation is a little different than mine. I interpret his
>> test to mean that 32-bit to 32-bit upgrades, upgrade or custom must be
>> done from the desktop, buy 32-bit to 64-bit upgrades (always custom) can
>> be done from the DVD provided that the qualifying OS is installed on the
>> machine. Guess we will find out when Darrell answers the question.
>>
>