Re: Vista for dummies

DavidW wrote:
> What I mean is: Vista IS for dummies.
>
> Examples:
> 1. Attach a device to a USB port and the hardware wizard does not
> give you a choice as to the location of the drivers, as XP did. It
> decides where to search and if it doesn't find them it simply
> fails. It gets worse: if you unplug and re-plug the device, nothing
> happens (even after a re-boot). This is because when it failed to
> find drivers it placed the device in the devices list as a failed
> device, so next time it sees that it's already tried and failed so
> it takes no action. Now, did it occur to Vista's designers that the
> correct drivers might exist _only_ in a location known to the user?
> Not everything is on the net. With XP all you had to do was tell
> the hardware wizard where to look. With Vista you have to go into
> the Device Manager, locate the device and update the driver, and
> _then_ you can specify the location. In their effort to make Vista
> simpler, Microsoft has succeeded in making it more complicated.
> 2. I have a message popping up that says "Windows detected a hard
> disk problem" and it gives me these choices:
> - back up my files to avoid losing them
> - remind me later
> - ignore the problem (not recommended)
>
> Well, how about telling me what the problem actually is and what
> Windows intends to do about it? Ah, that must be under "Show
> details". No, I'm afraid not. All I get there is a more verbose
> description of what it's already told me and the disk that's
> reporting the problem (drive E:, which contains nothing whatsoever
> that Windows Vista should be interested in). Still nothing about
> the nature of the problem, how to go about fixing it etc. Is it a
> bad sector, a failure to respond at all, something else? Got any
> information at all? No, nothing. Absolutely useless.
> Then there are the endless interruptions to what I'm doing to
> confirm that I really want to run this program. Yes, I really want
> to run it because that is what computers _do_. They run programs.
>
> This computer-users-are-just-really-stupid-people treatment makes
> Windows Vista one big lemon.

I guess someone isn't a 'power user' but wants to be, eh?

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"DavidW" <> wrote in message
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> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> DavidW wrote:
>>> What I mean is: Vista IS for dummies.
>>>
>>> Examples:
>>> 1. Attach a device to a USB port and the hardware wizard does not
>>> give you a choice as to the location of the drivers, as XP did. It
>>> decides where to search and if it doesn't find them it simply
>>> fails. It gets worse: if you unplug and re-plug the device, nothing
>>> happens (even after a re-boot). This is because when it failed to
>>> find drivers it placed the device in the devices list as a failed
>>> device, so next time it sees that it's already tried and failed so
>>> it takes no action. Now, did it occur to Vista's designers that the
>>> correct drivers might exist _only_ in a location known to the user?
>>> Not everything is on the net. With XP all you had to do was tell
>>> the hardware wizard where to look. With Vista you have to go into
>>> the Device Manager, locate the device and update the driver, and
>>> _then_ you can specify the location. In their effort to make Vista
>>> simpler, Microsoft has succeeded in making it more complicated.
>>> 2. I have a message popping up that says "Windows detected a hard
>>> disk problem" and it gives me these choices:
>>> - back up my files to avoid losing them
>>> - remind me later
>>> - ignore the problem (not recommended)
>>>
>>> Well, how about telling me what the problem actually is and what
>>> Windows intends to do about it? Ah, that must be under "Show
>>> details". No, I'm afraid not. All I get there is a more verbose
>>> description of what it's already told me and the disk that's
>>> reporting the problem (drive E:, which contains nothing whatsoever
>>> that Windows Vista should be interested in). Still nothing about
>>> the nature of the problem, how to go about fixing it etc. Is it a
>>> bad sector, a failure to respond at all, something else? Got any
>>> information at all? No, nothing. Absolutely useless.
>>> Then there are the endless interruptions to what I'm doing to
>>> confirm that I really want to run this program. Yes, I really want
>>> to run it because that is what computers _do_. They run programs.
>>>
>>> This computer-users-are-just-really-stupid-people treatment makes
>>> Windows Vista one big lemon.
>>
>> I guess someone isn't a 'power user' but wants to be, eh?
>
> Whom did you have in mind?

The OP needs to look in the mirror, lol.

>
>

"webster72n" <> wrote in message
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>
>
> "DavidW" <> wrote in message
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>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>> DavidW wrote:
>>>> What I mean is: Vista IS for dummies.
>>>>
>>>> Examples:
>>>> 1. Attach a device to a USB port and the hardware wizard does not
>>>> give you a choice as to the location of the drivers, as XP did. It
>>>> decides where to search and if it doesn't find them it simply
>>>> fails. It gets worse: if you unplug and re-plug the device, nothing
>>>> happens (even after a re-boot). This is because when it failed to
>>>> find drivers it placed the device in the devices list as a failed
>>>> device, so next time it sees that it's already tried and failed so
>>>> it takes no action. Now, did it occur to Vista's designers that the
>>>> correct drivers might exist _only_ in a location known to the user?
>>>> Not everything is on the net. With XP all you had to do was tell
>>>> the hardware wizard where to look. With Vista you have to go into
>>>> the Device Manager, locate the device and update the driver, and
>>>> _then_ you can specify the location. In their effort to make Vista
>>>> simpler, Microsoft has succeeded in making it more complicated.
>>>> 2. I have a message popping up that says "Windows detected a hard
>>>> disk problem" and it gives me these choices:
>>>> - back up my files to avoid losing them
>>>> - remind me later
>>>> - ignore the problem (not recommended)
>>>>
>>>> Well, how about telling me what the problem actually is and what
>>>> Windows intends to do about it? Ah, that must be under "Show
>>>> details". No, I'm afraid not. All I get there is a more verbose
>>>> description of what it's already told me and the disk that's
>>>> reporting the problem (drive E:, which contains nothing whatsoever
>>>> that Windows Vista should be interested in). Still nothing about
>>>> the nature of the problem, how to go about fixing it etc. Is it a
>>>> bad sector, a failure to respond at all, something else? Got any
>>>> information at all? No, nothing. Absolutely useless.
>>>> Then there are the endless interruptions to what I'm doing to
>>>> confirm that I really want to run this program. Yes, I really want
>>>> to run it because that is what computers _do_. They run programs.
>>>>
>>>> This computer-users-are-just-really-stupid-people treatment makes
>>>> Windows Vista one big lemon.
>>>
>>> I guess someone isn't a 'power user' but wants to be, eh?
>>
>> Whom did you have in mind?
>
> The OP needs to look in the mirror, lol.
>
>>
>>

DavidW" <> wrote in message
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> webster72n wrote:
>> "DavidW" <> wrote in message
>> news:HiTrn.172829$...
>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>> DavidW wrote:
>>>>> What I mean is: Vista IS for dummies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples:
>>>>> 1. Attach a device to a USB port and the hardware wizard does not
>>>>> give you a choice as to the location of the drivers, as XP did. It
>>>>> decides where to search and if it doesn't find them it simply
>>>>> fails. It gets worse: if you unplug and re-plug the device, nothing
>>>>> happens (even after a re-boot). This is because when it failed to
>>>>> find drivers it placed the device in the devices list as a failed
>>>>> device, so next time it sees that it's already tried and failed so
>>>>> it takes no action. Now, did it occur to Vista's designers that the
>>>>> correct drivers might exist _only_ in a location known to the user?
>>>>> Not everything is on the net. With XP all you had to do was tell
>>>>> the hardware wizard where to look. With Vista you have to go into
>>>>> the Device Manager, locate the device and update the driver, and
>>>>> _then_ you can specify the location. In their effort to make Vista
>>>>> simpler, Microsoft has succeeded in making it more complicated.
>>>>> 2. I have a message popping up that says "Windows detected a hard
>>>>> disk problem" and it gives me these choices:
>>>>> - back up my files to avoid losing them
>>>>> - remind me later
>>>>> - ignore the problem (not recommended)
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, how about telling me what the problem actually is and what
>>>>> Windows intends to do about it? Ah, that must be under "Show
>>>>> details". No, I'm afraid not. All I get there is a more verbose
>>>>> description of what it's already told me and the disk that's
>>>>> reporting the problem (drive E:, which contains nothing whatsoever
>>>>> that Windows Vista should be interested in). Still nothing about
>>>>> the nature of the problem, how to go about fixing it etc. Is it a
>>>>> bad sector, a failure to respond at all, something else? Got any
>>>>> information at all? No, nothing. Absolutely useless.
>>>>> Then there are the endless interruptions to what I'm doing to
>>>>> confirm that I really want to run this program. Yes, I really want
>>>>> to run it because that is what computers _do_. They run programs.
>>>>>
>>>>> This computer-users-are-just-really-stupid-people treatment makes
>>>>> Windows Vista one big lemon.
>>>>
>>>> I guess someone isn't a 'power user' but wants to be, eh?
>>>
>>> Whom did you have in mind?
>>
>> The OP needs to look in the mirror, lol.
>
> Why? I notice that no one has attempted to address or defend any of the
> issues raised. Is it reasonable, for example, that the hardware wizard
> fail to work when Windows cannot find drivers, even though the user has
> them right there but wasn't asked, and then require an investigation by
> the user to figure out what to do next, which might or might not be
> successful, depending on his experience or skill?

If I'm reading this correctly then I'd bet the house your mommy still feeds
and changes you. Does she still tuck you in and make the closet monster go
away?
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"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

"DavidW" <> wrote in message
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>>
>> If I'm reading this correctly then I'd bet the house your mommy still
>> feeds and changes you. Does she still tuck you in and make the
>> closet monster go away?
>
> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so sensitive to
> criticism that the best you can do is childish responses like the one
> above?

Where did you get the idea anyone here is employed by Microsoft? The MVP's
are strictly volunteers, so when a moron like you cops an attitude, you get
treated like the crap you are.
--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

"DavidW" <> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> DavidW" <> wrote in message
>> news:IP8sn.86870$...
>>> webster72n wrote:
>>>> "DavidW" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:HiTrn.172829$...
>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>> DavidW wrote:
>>>>>>> What I mean is: Vista IS for dummies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>> 1. Attach a device to a USB port and the hardware wizard does not
>>>>>>> give you a choice as to the location of the drivers, as XP did.
>>>>>>> It decides where to search and if it doesn't find them it simply
>>>>>>> fails. It gets worse: if you unplug and re-plug the device,
>>>>>>> nothing happens (even after a re-boot). This is because when it
>>>>>>> failed to find drivers it placed the device in the devices list
>>>>>>> as a failed device, so next time it sees that it's already tried
>>>>>>> and failed so it takes no action. Now, did it occur to Vista's
>>>>>>> designers that the correct drivers might exist _only_ in a
>>>>>>> location known to the user? Not everything is on the net. With
>>>>>>> XP all you had to do was tell the hardware wizard where to look.
>>>>>>> With Vista you have to go into the Device Manager, locate the
>>>>>>> device and update the driver, and _then_ you can specify the
>>>>>>> location. In their effort to make Vista simpler, Microsoft has
>>>>>>> succeeded in making it more complicated. 2. I have a message popping
>>>>>>> up that says "Windows detected a hard
>>>>>>> disk problem" and it gives me these choices:
>>>>>>> - back up my files to avoid losing them
>>>>>>> - remind me later
>>>>>>> - ignore the problem (not recommended)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, how about telling me what the problem actually is and what
>>>>>>> Windows intends to do about it? Ah, that must be under "Show
>>>>>>> details". No, I'm afraid not. All I get there is a more verbose
>>>>>>> description of what it's already told me and the disk that's
>>>>>>> reporting the problem (drive E:, which contains nothing
>>>>>>> whatsoever that Windows Vista should be interested in). Still
>>>>>>> nothing about the nature of the problem, how to go about fixing
>>>>>>> it etc. Is it a bad sector, a failure to respond at all,
>>>>>>> something else? Got any information at all? No, nothing.
>>>>>>> Absolutely useless. Then there are the endless interruptions to what
>>>>>>> I'm doing to
>>>>>>> confirm that I really want to run this program. Yes, I really
>>>>>>> want to run it because that is what computers _do_. They run
>>>>>>> programs. This computer-users-are-just-really-stupid-people
>>>>>>> treatment makes
>>>>>>> Windows Vista one big lemon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess someone isn't a 'power user' but wants to be, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Whom did you have in mind?
>>>>
>>>> The OP needs to look in the mirror, lol.
>>>
>>> Why? I notice that no one has attempted to address or defend any of
>>> the issues raised. Is it reasonable, for example, that the hardware
>>> wizard fail to work when Windows cannot find drivers, even though
>>> the user has them right there but wasn't asked, and then require an
>>> investigation by the user to figure out what to do next, which might
>>> or might not be successful, depending on his experience or skill?
>>
>> If I'm reading this correctly then I'd bet the house your mommy still
>> feeds and changes you. Does she still tuck you in and make the
>> closet monster go away?
>
> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so sensitive to
> criticism that the best you can do is childish responses like the one
> above?

Issues? No - Criticism? Yes, but unwarranted & unwanted!
And I am as far removed from MS, as the north pole is from the south pole.
Now go to 'Mommy'.

>
>

"DavidW" <> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> "DavidW" <> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> If I'm reading this correctly then I'd bet the house your mommy
>>>> still feeds and changes you. Does she still tuck you in and make
>>>> the closet monster go away?
>>>
>>> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so
>>> sensitive to criticism that the best you can do is childish
>>> responses like the one above?
>>
>> Where did you get the idea anyone here is employed by Microsoft? The
>> MVP's are strictly volunteers, so when a moron like you cops an
>> attitude, you get treated like the crap you are.
>
> Where did you get the idea that I think you are employed by Microsoft? I
> said you are "MS people", which you are. Your out-of-all-proportion
> hostile attitude to perfectly reasonable criticism of an MS product
> certainly demonstrates that.

If you don't want your face kicked in, I'd suggest you head to one of
Microsoft's forums, where some actual employees participate, and vent there.
No one here is in a position to re-write code just to satisfy a momma's boy
like you.
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If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:06:10 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so sensitive to
> criticism that the best you can do is childish responses like the one above?

I'll join in the chorus: we are not Microsoft people here.

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:25:39 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:06:10 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>
>>> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so
>>> sensitive to criticism that the best you can do is childish
>>> responses like the one above?
>>
>> I'll join in the chorus: we are not Microsoft people here.
>
> First of all, you can't generalize. Maybe you aren't, but it's quite obvious
> that most of the responses are from "Microsoft people", as I defined them. Why
> else are they _so_ sensitive to criticism of an MS product?

OK, you define "Microsoft people" as people who respond here. Hence, I am a
"Microsoft person" too. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:25:39 +1100, DavidW wrote:

> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:06:10 +1100, DavidW wrote:
>>
>>> Still no mention of the issues raised. Are you MS people so
>>> sensitive to criticism that the best you can do is childish
>>> responses like the one above?
>>
>> I'll join in the chorus: we are not Microsoft people here.
>
> First of all, you can't generalize. Maybe you aren't, but it's quite obvious
> that most of the responses are from "Microsoft people", as I defined them. Why
> else are they _so_ sensitive to criticism of an MS product?

I forgot to ask: why is it OK for *you alone* to generalize? And it looks
like you define "they [are] so sensitive to criticism of an MS product" as
"they don't agree with you". And I am not generalizing - I am referring
specifically to you.

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