RE: Vista installation

Hello,

I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
Support.

I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
clarifying.

First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key you
enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the option to
not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate after
installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid for a
basic version and want to install the Ultimate.

However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a countdown
timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You can
ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get more
insistant.

If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly reduced
functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically only have
access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly advise you to
do since there are only two ways out of this.

The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying the fee
to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found that
version of Vista is what you want.

The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe it
clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version and
entering your product key.

As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a clean
install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000 in dual
boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
installation is where you start setup from inside the current operating
system and then replace the operating system.

You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not install to
anything else.

You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista. There is
no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such thing as a
Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.

Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case you
make significant changes to your hardware after istallation. Microsoft is
stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the leanency
they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine it
better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one reason why
you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate. You have
time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work well
with Vista.

I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista Upgrade
Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in the way
of Vista installation.

Find it here free

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx

Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help you plan
your Vista implimentation:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx

- Michael

Oh, and one computer per key. Period.

We have only had access so far to full edition product keys and have been
over all of the upgrade options when using a full edition product key. What
is not as clear are some of the finer points of the upgrade edition product
keys. We are waiting for Jan 30 to see how an upgrade edition interacts
with Win2k and XP Pro x64 where the upgrade-in-place option is disabled. If
you have had some training in how the upgrade editions work (not the upgrade
functionality of the full editions) we are all ears.

For example, how does an upgrade edition work on a single drive, single
partition system running Win2k? Obviously one cannot upgrade-in-place and
must do a custom install, but what steps will Setup present to the user and
what decisions will the user be able to make?

We know that the use of an upgrade edition requires running Setup from the
desktop, but is a custom install over the running legacy OS supported?

"Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
news:12126E46-6009-4706-A593-...
> Hello,
>
> I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
> Support.
>
> I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
> clarifying.
>
> First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key you
> enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the option to
> not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate
> after
> installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid for a
> basic version and want to install the Ultimate.
>
> However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a countdown
> timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You can
> ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get more
> insistant.
>
> If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly reduced
> functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically only
> have
> access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly advise you
> to
> do since there are only two ways out of this.
>
> The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying the fee
> to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
> installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found that
> version of Vista is what you want.
>
> The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe it
> clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version and
> entering your product key.
>
> As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a clean
> install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000 in
> dual
> boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
> installation is where you start setup from inside the current operating
> system and then replace the operating system.
>
> You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not install
> to
> anything else.
>
> You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista. There
> is
> no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such thing
> as a
> Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.
>
> Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case you
> make significant changes to your hardware after istallation. Microsoft is
> stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the
> leanency
> they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine it
> better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one reason why
> you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate. You
> have
> time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work well
> with Vista.
>
> I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista Upgrade
> Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in the
> way
> of Vista installation.
>
> Find it here free
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>
> Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help you
> plan
> your Vista implimentation:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx
>
> - Michael
>
> Oh, and one computer per key. Period.
>
>

Windows Vista does not support an upgrade installation from Windows 2000. If
you have 2000 on a single hard drive system with a single partition you will
have to wipe the drive and then install Vista.

Of course, before doing this make sure you have a backup of your personal
data on another location than the drive in question, such as a CD or DVD.

Also, I keep reading people using the terms "Upgrade edition" and Full
Edition" and such. There is no such thing in Vista. The Vista DVD is complete
with all editions of Vista included. There is no such thing as an "Upgrade
Edition". You can use the DVD to upgrade from an older OS, but you can also
use the DVD to perform a full installation. It just depends on how you start
the install, and what your old OS is.

If you boot to the DVD there will be no option to do an upgrade, even if
there is an old OS on the drive/partition. To do an upgrade you must start
setup from within the existing OS and then only if the OS is supported as an
upgrade option.

You can also copy the DVD to a folder on the hard drive and install from
there with the same results as if you ran it from the DVD.

I hope this information helps.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> We have only had access so far to full edition product keys and have been
> over all of the upgrade options when using a full edition product key. What
> is not as clear are some of the finer points of the upgrade edition product
> keys. We are waiting for Jan 30 to see how an upgrade edition interacts
> with Win2k and XP Pro x64 where the upgrade-in-place option is disabled. If
> you have had some training in how the upgrade editions work (not the upgrade
> functionality of the full editions) we are all ears.
>
> For example, how does an upgrade edition work on a single drive, single
> partition system running Win2k? Obviously one cannot upgrade-in-place and
> must do a custom install, but what steps will Setup present to the user and
> what decisions will the user be able to make?
>
> We know that the use of an upgrade edition requires running Setup from the
> desktop, but is a custom install over the running legacy OS supported?
>
> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
> news:12126E46-6009-4706-A593-...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
> > Support.
> >
> > I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
> > clarifying.
> >
> > First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key you
> > enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the option to
> > not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate
> > after
> > installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid for a
> > basic version and want to install the Ultimate.
> >
> > However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a countdown
> > timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You can
> > ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get more
> > insistant.
> >
> > If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly reduced
> > functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically only
> > have
> > access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly advise you
> > to
> > do since there are only two ways out of this.
> >
> > The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying the fee
> > to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
> > installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found that
> > version of Vista is what you want.
> >
> > The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe it
> > clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version and
> > entering your product key.
> >
> > As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a clean
> > install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000 in
> > dual
> > boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
> > installation is where you start setup from inside the current operating
> > system and then replace the operating system.
> >
> > You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not install
> > to
> > anything else.
> >
> > You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista. There
> > is
> > no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such thing
> > as a
> > Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.
> >
> > Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case you
> > make significant changes to your hardware after istallation. Microsoft is
> > stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the
> > leanency
> > they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine it
> > better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one reason why
> > you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate. You
> > have
> > time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work well
> > with Vista.
> >
> > I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista Upgrade
> > Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in the
> > way
> > of Vista installation.
> >
> > Find it here free
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
> >
> > Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help you
> > plan
> > your Vista implimentation:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx
> >
> > - Michael
> >
> > Oh, and one computer per key. Period.
> >
> >
>

Then if theres no such thing as an upgrade & full edition of vista then how
come its listed on sites where you buy them then upgrade cheaper than full
editions & such. Were not talking about the dvd were talking about the key.

The site below selling the upgrade licence

http://www.ht.com.au/area/10829/grou...417/detail.hts


"Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
news:C81D6615-B851-47C6-85B6-...
> Windows Vista does not support an upgrade installation from Windows 2000.
> If
> you have 2000 on a single hard drive system with a single partition you
> will
> have to wipe the drive and then install Vista.
>
> Of course, before doing this make sure you have a backup of your personal
> data on another location than the drive in question, such as a CD or DVD.
>
> Also, I keep reading people using the terms "Upgrade edition" and Full
> Edition" and such. There is no such thing in Vista. The Vista DVD is
> complete
> with all editions of Vista included. There is no such thing as an "Upgrade
> Edition". You can use the DVD to upgrade from an older OS, but you can
> also
> use the DVD to perform a full installation. It just depends on how you
> start
> the install, and what your old OS is.
>
> If you boot to the DVD there will be no option to do an upgrade, even if
> there is an old OS on the drive/partition. To do an upgrade you must start
> setup from within the existing OS and then only if the OS is supported as
> an
> upgrade option.
>
> You can also copy the DVD to a folder on the hard drive and install from
> there with the same results as if you ran it from the DVD.
>
> I hope this information helps.
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> We have only had access so far to full edition product keys and have been
>> over all of the upgrade options when using a full edition product key.
>> What
>> is not as clear are some of the finer points of the upgrade edition
>> product
>> keys. We are waiting for Jan 30 to see how an upgrade edition interacts
>> with Win2k and XP Pro x64 where the upgrade-in-place option is disabled.
>> If
>> you have had some training in how the upgrade editions work (not the
>> upgrade
>> functionality of the full editions) we are all ears.
>>
>> For example, how does an upgrade edition work on a single drive, single
>> partition system running Win2k? Obviously one cannot upgrade-in-place
>> and
>> must do a custom install, but what steps will Setup present to the user
>> and
>> what decisions will the user be able to make?
>>
>> We know that the use of an upgrade edition requires running Setup from
>> the
>> desktop, but is a custom install over the running legacy OS supported?
>>
>> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
>> news:12126E46-6009-4706-A593-...
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
>> > Support.
>> >
>> > I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
>> > clarifying.
>> >
>> > First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key
>> > you
>> > enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the option
>> > to
>> > not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate
>> > after
>> > installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid for
>> > a
>> > basic version and want to install the Ultimate.
>> >
>> > However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a
>> > countdown
>> > timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You
>> > can
>> > ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get
>> > more
>> > insistant.
>> >
>> > If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly
>> > reduced
>> > functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically only
>> > have
>> > access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly advise
>> > you
>> > to
>> > do since there are only two ways out of this.
>> >
>> > The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying the
>> > fee
>> > to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
>> > installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found
>> > that
>> > version of Vista is what you want.
>> >
>> > The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe it
>> > clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version and
>> > entering your product key.
>> >
>> > As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a clean
>> > install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000 in
>> > dual
>> > boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
>> > installation is where you start setup from inside the current operating
>> > system and then replace the operating system.
>> >
>> > You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not
>> > install
>> > to
>> > anything else.
>> >
>> > You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista.
>> > There
>> > is
>> > no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such
>> > thing
>> > as a
>> > Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.
>> >
>> > Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case
>> > you
>> > make significant changes to your hardware after istallation. Microsoft
>> > is
>> > stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the
>> > leanency
>> > they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine it
>> > better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one reason
>> > why
>> > you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate.
>> > You
>> > have
>> > time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work
>> > well
>> > with Vista.
>> >
>> > I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista Upgrade
>> > Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in
>> > the
>> > way
>> > of Vista installation.
>> >
>> > Find it here free
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>> >
>> > Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help you
>> > plan
>> > your Vista implimentation:
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx
>> >
>> > - Michael
>> >
>> > Oh, and one computer per key. Period.
>> >
>> >
>>

The physical DVD is the same for Full Retail and Upgrade. The Product Keys
are different. If one goes into a store to buy an Upgrade Edition, the
external packaging will most likely have 'Upgrade Edition' on it, just as
the current XP does, and will come with an 'Upgrade' product key. Full
retail will have a retail key.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
"Ken" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>
> Then if theres no such thing as an upgrade & full edition of vista then
> how come its listed on sites where you buy them then upgrade cheaper than
> full editions & such. Were not talking about the dvd were talking about
> the key.
>
> The site below selling the upgrade licence
>
> http://www.ht.com.au/area/10829/grou...417/detail.hts
>
>
> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
> news:C81D6615-B851-47C6-85B6-...
>> Windows Vista does not support an upgrade installation from Windows 2000.
>> If
>> you have 2000 on a single hard drive system with a single partition you
>> will
>> have to wipe the drive and then install Vista.
>>
>> Of course, before doing this make sure you have a backup of your personal
>> data on another location than the drive in question, such as a CD or DVD.
>>
>> Also, I keep reading people using the terms "Upgrade edition" and Full
>> Edition" and such. There is no such thing in Vista. The Vista DVD is
>> complete
>> with all editions of Vista included. There is no such thing as an
>> "Upgrade
>> Edition". You can use the DVD to upgrade from an older OS, but you can
>> also
>> use the DVD to perform a full installation. It just depends on how you
>> start
>> the install, and what your old OS is.
>>
>> If you boot to the DVD there will be no option to do an upgrade, even if
>> there is an old OS on the drive/partition. To do an upgrade you must
>> start
>> setup from within the existing OS and then only if the OS is supported as
>> an
>> upgrade option.
>>
>> You can also copy the DVD to a folder on the hard drive and install from
>> there with the same results as if you ran it from the DVD.
>>
>> I hope this information helps.
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>>> We have only had access so far to full edition product keys and have
>>> been
>>> over all of the upgrade options when using a full edition product key.
>>> What
>>> is not as clear are some of the finer points of the upgrade edition
>>> product
>>> keys. We are waiting for Jan 30 to see how an upgrade edition interacts
>>> with Win2k and XP Pro x64 where the upgrade-in-place option is disabled.
>>> If
>>> you have had some training in how the upgrade editions work (not the
>>> upgrade
>>> functionality of the full editions) we are all ears.
>>>
>>> For example, how does an upgrade edition work on a single drive, single
>>> partition system running Win2k? Obviously one cannot upgrade-in-place
>>> and
>>> must do a custom install, but what steps will Setup present to the user
>>> and
>>> what decisions will the user be able to make?
>>>
>>> We know that the use of an upgrade edition requires running Setup from
>>> the
>>> desktop, but is a custom install over the running legacy OS supported?
>>>
>>> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
>>> news:12126E46-6009-4706-A593-...
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
>>> > Support.
>>> >
>>> > I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
>>> > clarifying.
>>> >
>>> > First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key
>>> > you
>>> > enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the
>>> > option to
>>> > not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate
>>> > after
>>> > installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid
>>> > for a
>>> > basic version and want to install the Ultimate.
>>> >
>>> > However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a
>>> > countdown
>>> > timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You
>>> > can
>>> > ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get
>>> > more
>>> > insistant.
>>> >
>>> > If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly
>>> > reduced
>>> > functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically
>>> > only
>>> > have
>>> > access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly advise
>>> > you
>>> > to
>>> > do since there are only two ways out of this.
>>> >
>>> > The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying the
>>> > fee
>>> > to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
>>> > installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found
>>> > that
>>> > version of Vista is what you want.
>>> >
>>> > The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe it
>>> > clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version and
>>> > entering your product key.
>>> >
>>> > As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a
>>> > clean
>>> > install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000
>>> > in
>>> > dual
>>> > boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
>>> > installation is where you start setup from inside the current
>>> > operating
>>> > system and then replace the operating system.
>>> >
>>> > You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not
>>> > install
>>> > to
>>> > anything else.
>>> >
>>> > You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista.
>>> > There
>>> > is
>>> > no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such
>>> > thing
>>> > as a
>>> > Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.
>>> >
>>> > Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case
>>> > you
>>> > make significant changes to your hardware after istallation. Microsoft
>>> > is
>>> > stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the
>>> > leanency
>>> > they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine
>>> > it
>>> > better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one reason
>>> > why
>>> > you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate.
>>> > You
>>> > have
>>> > time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work
>>> > well
>>> > with Vista.
>>> >
>>> > I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista
>>> > Upgrade
>>> > Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in
>>> > the
>>> > way
>>> > of Vista installation.
>>> >
>>> > Find it here free
>>> >
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>>> >
>>> > Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help
>>> > you
>>> > plan
>>> > your Vista implimentation:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx
>>> >
>>> > - Michael
>>> >
>>> > Oh, and one computer per key. Period.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>
>

I realise all the dvds in all vista versions are the same and that the KEY
determines the version of vista and its the full or upgrade.

We're just trying to get out of microsoft on how the upgrade KEY effects us
when it comes to vista verses the full version KEY because i realise that we
can choose to not use the key until after its installed.


"Jane C" <> wrote in message
news:7205B0ED-0002-4C13-9F25-...
> The physical DVD is the same for Full Retail and Upgrade. The Product
> Keys are different. If one goes into a store to buy an Upgrade Edition,
> the external packaging will most likely have 'Upgrade Edition' on it, just
> as the current XP does, and will come with an 'Upgrade' product key. Full
> retail will have a retail key.
>
> --
> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
> "Ken" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>>
>> Then if theres no such thing as an upgrade & full edition of vista then
>> how come its listed on sites where you buy them then upgrade cheaper than
>> full editions & such. Were not talking about the dvd were talking about
>> the key.
>>
>> The site below selling the upgrade licence
>>
>> http://www.ht.com.au/area/10829/grou...417/detail.hts
>>
>>
>> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
>> news:C81D6615-B851-47C6-85B6-...
>>> Windows Vista does not support an upgrade installation from Windows
>>> 2000. If
>>> you have 2000 on a single hard drive system with a single partition you
>>> will
>>> have to wipe the drive and then install Vista.
>>>
>>> Of course, before doing this make sure you have a backup of your
>>> personal
>>> data on another location than the drive in question, such as a CD or
>>> DVD.
>>>
>>> Also, I keep reading people using the terms "Upgrade edition" and Full
>>> Edition" and such. There is no such thing in Vista. The Vista DVD is
>>> complete
>>> with all editions of Vista included. There is no such thing as an
>>> "Upgrade
>>> Edition". You can use the DVD to upgrade from an older OS, but you can
>>> also
>>> use the DVD to perform a full installation. It just depends on how you
>>> start
>>> the install, and what your old OS is.
>>>
>>> If you boot to the DVD there will be no option to do an upgrade, even if
>>> there is an old OS on the drive/partition. To do an upgrade you must
>>> start
>>> setup from within the existing OS and then only if the OS is supported
>>> as an
>>> upgrade option.
>>>
>>> You can also copy the DVD to a folder on the hard drive and install from
>>> there with the same results as if you ran it from the DVD.
>>>
>>> I hope this information helps.
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have only had access so far to full edition product keys and have
>>>> been
>>>> over all of the upgrade options when using a full edition product key.
>>>> What
>>>> is not as clear are some of the finer points of the upgrade edition
>>>> product
>>>> keys. We are waiting for Jan 30 to see how an upgrade edition
>>>> interacts
>>>> with Win2k and XP Pro x64 where the upgrade-in-place option is
>>>> disabled. If
>>>> you have had some training in how the upgrade editions work (not the
>>>> upgrade
>>>> functionality of the full editions) we are all ears.
>>>>
>>>> For example, how does an upgrade edition work on a single drive, single
>>>> partition system running Win2k? Obviously one cannot upgrade-in-place
>>>> and
>>>> must do a custom install, but what steps will Setup present to the user
>>>> and
>>>> what decisions will the user be able to make?
>>>>
>>>> We know that the use of an upgrade edition requires running Setup from
>>>> the
>>>> desktop, but is a custom install over the running legacy OS supported?
>>>>
>>>> "Vista Tech" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:12126E46-6009-4706-A593-...
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am currently in training as a Vista Support tech for Microsoft Tech
>>>> > Support.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have been reading the posts here and thought maybe some things need
>>>> > clarifying.
>>>> >
>>>> > First - the Vista CD contains all versions of Vista. The product key
>>>> > you
>>>> > enter will determine the version that is installed. You have the
>>>> > option to
>>>> > not enter a product key and uncheck the box that tells it to activate
>>>> > after
>>>> > installation. This would seem like a good thing to those that paid
>>>> > for a
>>>> > basic version and want to install the Ultimate.
>>>> >
>>>> > However, once the installation is sucessfull Vista will start a
>>>> > countdown
>>>> > timer. after about 72 hours it will begin to nag you to activate. You
>>>> > can
>>>> > ignore this for up to about 28 days or so at which time it will get
>>>> > more
>>>> > insistant.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you do not activate it by the 30th day it will go into severly
>>>> > reduced
>>>> > functionality, sort of like being in Safe Mode. You will basically
>>>> > only
>>>> > have
>>>> > access to your data so you can back it up, which I would highly
>>>> > advise you
>>>> > to
>>>> > do since there are only two ways out of this.
>>>> >
>>>> > The first one is to call and activate or activate online by paying
>>>> > the fee
>>>> > to upgrade your key from what you actually paid for and what you had
>>>> > installed. You might want to go ahead and do that if you have found
>>>> > that
>>>> > version of Vista is what you want.
>>>> >
>>>> > The second option is to wipe your hard drive clean, and I mean wipe
>>>> > it
>>>> > clean, and reinstall Vista, this time choosing the correct version
>>>> > and
>>>> > entering your product key.
>>>> >
>>>> > As stated earlier, you cannot upgrade from Win 2000. You can do a
>>>> > clean
>>>> > install to another partition or another hard drive and keep Win 2000
>>>> > in
>>>> > dual
>>>> > boot, but you cannot start setup from within Win 2000. An upgrade
>>>> > installation is where you start setup from inside the current
>>>> > operating
>>>> > system and then replace the operating system.
>>>> >
>>>> > You also HAVE to install to a partition that is NTFS. It will not
>>>> > install
>>>> > to
>>>> > anything else.
>>>> >
>>>> > You do not need a current operating system at all to install Vista.
>>>> > There
>>>> > is
>>>> > no such thing as an upgrade CD, in fact there is currently no such
>>>> > thing
>>>> > as a
>>>> > Vista CD, it is on DVD. All versions of Vista are on the same DVD.
>>>> >
>>>> > Once you get it installed you have two activations available, in case
>>>> > you
>>>> > make significant changes to your hardware after istallation.
>>>> > Microsoft is
>>>> > stating that they are going to be very strict in this, not like the
>>>> > leanency
>>>> > they showed with XP. So if you try to install on a different machine
>>>> > it
>>>> > better be identical to the one it was activated on. This is one
>>>> > reason why
>>>> > you have 72 hours after installation before it nags you to activate.
>>>> > You
>>>> > have
>>>> > time to make hardware changes if you find your hardware does not work
>>>> > well
>>>> > with Vista.
>>>> >
>>>> > I HIGHLY advise, and Microsoft does too, to first run the Vista
>>>> > Upgrade
>>>> > Advisor to identify any hardware or software issues that might get in
>>>> > the
>>>> > way
>>>> > of Vista installation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Find it here free
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx
>>>> >
>>>> > Also here is a site that will give you a lot of information to help
>>>> > you
>>>> > plan
>>>> > your Vista implimentation:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...y/default.mspx
>>>> >
>>>> > - Michael
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh, and one computer per key. Period.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>
>>
>

MS has not posted the upgrade edition characteristics yet and upgrade
edition product keys are not available from MSDN or TechNet so no one is
able to try them (historically MSDN and TechNet do not provide upgrade
editions or product keys for download).

Clearly, the upgrade option is disabled in many upgrade scenarios (all of
the yellow dot cells in the Upgrade Matrix on Get Ready) but no one has
posted the screens showing how to do a custom installation when using an
upgrade edition product key. The term "clean installation" in the text
following the Matrix is not defined and does not correspond to any option
you will see in Vista Setup screens, although the term is used in the
explanatory text there as well.

We apparently are going to have to wait for launch on Jan 30 to find out the
details.

"Ken" <> wrote in message
news:%23V$...
>I realise all the dvds in all vista versions are the same and that the KEY
>determines the version of vista and its the full or upgrade.
>
> We're just trying to get out of microsoft on how the upgrade KEY effects
> us when it comes to vista verses the full version KEY because i realise
> that we can choose to not use the key until after its installed.
>
>

I don't use RAID so I'll defer on that one. I have both x86 and x64 dual
booting but not using RAID.

"Rover" <> wrote in message
news:30406D4D-2C47-4358-9047-...
> Colin,
>
> If I was smart I would have read down a feel posting to get my answer.
>
> Now it bring up another question.
>
> Could you install the 32bit ver. to the C:\ c drive, and the 64 bit t0 a
> RAID aray.?
>
> Be Safe, Be Well, Be Happy!!
> Rover
> Bryan, Texas
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> MS has not posted the upgrade edition characteristics yet and upgrade
>> edition product keys are not available from MSDN or TechNet so no one is
>> able to try them (historically MSDN and TechNet do not provide upgrade
>> editions or product keys for download).
>>
>> Clearly, the upgrade option is disabled in many upgrade scenarios (all of
>> the yellow dot cells in the Upgrade Matrix on Get Ready) but no one has
>> posted the screens showing how to do a custom installation when using an
>> upgrade edition product key. The term "clean installation" in the text
>> following the Matrix is not defined and does not correspond to any option
>> you will see in Vista Setup screens, although the term is used in the
>> explanatory text there as well.
>>
>> We apparently are going to have to wait for launch on Jan 30 to find out
>> the
>> details.
>>
>> "Ken" <> wrote in message
>> news:%23V$...
>> >I realise all the dvds in all vista versions are the same and that the
>> >KEY
>> >determines the version of vista and its the full or upgrade.
>> >
>> > We're just trying to get out of microsoft on how the upgrade KEY
>> > effects
>> > us when it comes to vista verses the full version KEY because i realise
>> > that we can choose to not use the key until after its installed.
>> >
>> >
>>

You didn't read (or mis-understood) the description. This is an upgrade sku
for a volume licensing program. Meaning if your company enrolls in Open
License and gets a 5 pack for Vista Biz but you have 6 computers, you'd buy
this to 'upgrade' your license to 6 computers. It has no bearing on the
software or its operation, its purely a licensing issue.

"MICROSOFT OPEN LICENSE BUSINESS

Microsoft Open License is a software volume licensing program designed for
corporate, government, charity, and academic customers who order as few as
five licenses. After the initial order, customers can benefit from volume
pricing for all licenses for the remainder of the term of their Open License
authorization number."

-- Opie
Development/InterfaceDesign
http://arcdesignnc.com/



"Ken" wrote:
>
>
> Then if theres no such thing as an upgrade & full edition of vista then how
> come its listed on sites where you buy them then upgrade cheaper than full
> editions & such. Were not talking about the dvd were talking about the key.
>
> The site below selling the upgrade licence
>
> http://www.ht.com.au/area/10829/grou...417/detail.hts
>
>

Hey,
Would anyone know the cost of getting an additional liscense?
And....249 dollars just for one liscense seems a bit of a rip off....
And, sorry about my name, I don't know who put it to that...:S

"Opie" wrote:

> You didn't read (or mis-understood) the description. This is an upgrade sku
> for a volume licensing program. Meaning if your company enrolls in Open
> License and gets a 5 pack for Vista Biz but you have 6 computers, you'd buy
> this to 'upgrade' your license to 6 computers. It has no bearing on the
> software or its operation, its purely a licensing issue.
>
> "MICROSOFT OPEN LICENSE BUSINESS
>
> Microsoft Open License is a software volume licensing program designed for
> corporate, government, charity, and academic customers who order as few as
> five licenses. After the initial order, customers can benefit from volume
> pricing for all licenses for the remainder of the term of their Open License
> authorization number."
>
> -- Opie
> Development/InterfaceDesign
> http://arcdesignnc.com/
>
>
>
> "Ken" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Then if theres no such thing as an upgrade & full edition of vista then how
> > come its listed on sites where you buy them then upgrade cheaper than full
> > editions & such. Were not talking about the dvd were talking about the key.
> >
> > The site below selling the upgrade licence
> >
> > http://www.ht.com.au/area/10829/grou...417/detail.hts
> >
> >
>