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Hi,
You should be  The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy (or upset) with his/her decision. When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with interest and sometime shared mine. I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended up here. Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political statements and he was trying to help. His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative for the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their mouth shut. Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and that happens all the time in my life. Good luck! "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... > Hi, > > I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. > > > "xfile" wrote: > >> >> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in his >> team. >> >> > >> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >> > news:%23l$... >> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does he >> >> know >> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >> >> news:O1O%... >> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to offer an >> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >> >>> >> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows better >> >>> for >> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >> >>> products >> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >> >>> >> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message >> >>> news:uQ0A%... >> >>>> Kevin; >> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad idea >> >>>> for >> >>>> most. >> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >> >>>> attractive. >> >>>> >> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for total >> >>>> data >> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any issues. >> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >> >>>> >> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >> >>>> reasonable >> >>>> substitute for a released product. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >> >>>> news:%... >> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 Beta >> >>>>> 3 >> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of Windows >> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's Much >> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >> >>>>>> slopped >> >>>>>> Vista >> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything would go >> >>>>>> well. I >> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or other >> >>>>>> companies >> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very similar to >> >>>>>> 2003. Even >> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) was >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> best >> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >> >>>>>> after >> >>>>>> Win. >> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA on >> >>>>>> it. >> >>>>>> My last >> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to just >> >>>>>> find >> >>>>>> another >> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike Hall >> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> |
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Hi,
Thanks for sharing I've said this before - I am so sure that there are many happy users, at the same time, many are suffering with it. I won't be so stpuid (rarely use this word) to suggest or imply how many of each side. The fact is very simple, there is no way we can even guess the number of happy vs. unhappy users. I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. I have no problem for changing my decisions and views based on new learning and that happens all the time in my life. Again, thanks for sharing and good luck "windowhead" <> wrote in message news:Xns995FD62E6FC88kbainesconz@203.109.252.31... > "xfile" <cou-> wrote in > news:: > >> >> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in >> his team. >> >> Snip > My 2 bobs worth > Have used computers from Sinclair zx81 upwards - have had all the > versions of windows except ME - don't know how I missed this one. > Brought a new machine about a month ago - dual core - 1 gig ram 320mb > hard drive - 256mb video card and Vista home premium installed. > Got it home and going loaded all available updates. On reboot 1st error - > system not communicating with the video sub system??? - reboot and seemed > to be working.Connecting Epsom printer - new - had to get updates to > work. Connect HP Printer 710c - no updates from HP - use the drivers > supplied in Vista - no go - still not going. Worked on my old Xp machine > - loaded Ubuntu on to old machine on second hard drive connected HP > printer and followed the instructions as this is the first time I've > tried Linux - no trouble. > After a fortnight a system report popped up and I have had 72 issues that > Vista can't find solutions for - ranging from incompatible software to > just stopped responding. > The system came with Microsoft works on it but the system pulls it up > everytime as it isn't digitally signed???? > XP was pretty good after servicepack 2 was installed - thinking that if > things don't improve may go back to it. > I live in NZ and under the consumer protection act any goods and > services provided must operate for the use they were intended for. This > is starting to get pretty close to breaching this act - wouldn't like to > try and enforce it, but if you brought a new car and it had this many > faults you would have a water tight case. Thank the powers that be that > Microsoft don't write the software for vehicle computers. > As I said my 2 bobs worth. > > |
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A time limited beta that requires somebody skilled to even get it close to a
desktop should NEVER be suggested as an alternative, even for Ubuntu.. :-) Norton Anything does suck, and has for the longest time.. like AOL, once installed, it is the devil's own job to remove it.. McAfee has followed suit and anybody who installed the McAfee utilities of a few years ago deserves compensation, as do users who unwittingly install all of Nero Suite.. "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message news:... > Hi, > > You should be > > The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy (or > upset) with his/her decision. > > When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with interest > and sometime shared mine. > > I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I > don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. > > This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended up > here. > > Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political > statements and he was trying to help. > > His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those > MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative for > the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their mouth > shut. > > Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. > > I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could be > wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. > > I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and that > happens all the time in my life. > > Good luck! > > > "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message > news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... >> Hi, >> >> I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. >> >> >> "xfile" wrote: >> >>> >>> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in his >>> team. >>> >>> > >>> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >>> > news:%23l$... >>> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does he >>> >> know >>> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>> >> news:O1O%... >>> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to offer >>> >>> an >>> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >>> >>> >>> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows better >>> >>> for >>> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >>> >>> products >>> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >>> >>> >>> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message >>> >>> news:uQ0A%... >>> >>>> Kevin; >>> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad idea >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> most. >>> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >>> >>>> attractive. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >>> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for total >>> >>>> data >>> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any issues. >>> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >>> >>>> reasonable >>> >>>> substitute for a released product. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >>> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >>> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >>> >>>> news:%... >>> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 >>> >>>>> Beta 3 >>> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of >>> >>>>> Windows >>> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's Much >>> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >>> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >>> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >>> >>>>>> slopped >>> >>>>>> Vista >>> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything would >>> >>>>>> go >>> >>>>>> well. I >>> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or other >>> >>>>>> companies >>> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very similar >>> >>>>>> to >>> >>>>>> 2003. Even >>> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) was >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> best >>> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >>> >>>>>> after >>> >>>>>> Win. >>> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA on >>> >>>>>> it. >>> >>>>>> My last >>> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to just >>> >>>>>> find >>> >>>>>> another >>> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >>> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Mike Hall >>> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> > > -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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The "things" we're discussing here are prettly much low-level applications,
so I don't think it's that much of a big deal in the first place. And, I don't know about you but I am not that terribly want to demonstrate every piece of knowlege that I know and leaving some rooms for others is a good thing for me. Maybe that's why you are wearing the hat not me. "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message news:... >A time limited beta that requires somebody skilled to even get it close to >a desktop should NEVER be suggested as an alternative, even for Ubuntu.. >:-) > > Norton Anything does suck, and has for the longest time.. like AOL, once > installed, it is the devil's own job to remove it.. McAfee has followed > suit and anybody who installed the McAfee utilities of a few years ago > deserves compensation, as do users who unwittingly install all of Nero > Suite.. > > > > > "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message > news:... >> Hi, >> >> You should be >> >> The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy >> (or upset) with his/her decision. >> >> When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with interest >> and sometime shared mine. >> >> I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I >> don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. >> >> This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended up >> here. >> >> Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political >> statements and he was trying to help. >> >> His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those >> MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative >> for the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their >> mouth shut. >> >> Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. >> >> I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could >> be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. >> >> I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and >> that happens all the time in my life. >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message >> news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. >>> >>> >>> "xfile" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in >>>> his >>>> team. >>>> >>>> > >>>> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >>>> > news:%23l$... >>>> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does he >>>> >> know >>>> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>>> >> news:O1O%... >>>> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to offer >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows better >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >>>> >>> products >>>> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in >>>> >>> message >>>> >>> news:uQ0A%... >>>> >>>> Kevin; >>>> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad idea >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> most. >>>> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >>>> >>>> attractive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >>>> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for total >>>> >>>> data >>>> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any issues. >>>> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >>>> >>>> reasonable >>>> >>>> substitute for a released product. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >>>> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >>>> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:%... >>>> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 >>>> >>>>> Beta 3 >>>> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of >>>> >>>>> Windows >>>> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's Much >>>> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >>>> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >>>> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >>>> >>>>>> slopped >>>> >>>>>> Vista >>>> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything would >>>> >>>>>> go >>>> >>>>>> well. I >>>> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or other >>>> >>>>>> companies >>>> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very similar >>>> >>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>> 2003. Even >>>> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) >>>> >>>>>> was the >>>> >>>>>> best >>>> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >>>> >>>>>> after >>>> >>>>>> Win. >>>> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA on >>>> >>>>>> it. >>>> >>>>>> My last >>>> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to just >>>> >>>>>> find >>>> >>>>>> another >>>> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >>>> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Mike Hall >>>> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > -- > > > Mike Hall > MS MVP Windows Shell/User > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ > > > |
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And one more thing I want to add which has been in my mind for very long -
If you can tolerate yourself to say something "sucks", you and your fellows should do the same when someone says the same to your beloved application. I am using the same standard, and I hope you guys, as professionals, can at least do the same. I rest my case with no disrespect. "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message news:... >A time limited beta that requires somebody skilled to even get it close to >a desktop should NEVER be suggested as an alternative, even for Ubuntu.. >:-) > > Norton Anything does suck, and has for the longest time.. like AOL, once > installed, it is the devil's own job to remove it.. McAfee has followed > suit and anybody who installed the McAfee utilities of a few years ago > deserves compensation, as do users who unwittingly install all of Nero > Suite.. > > > > > "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message > news:... >> Hi, >> >> You should be >> >> The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy >> (or upset) with his/her decision. >> >> When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with interest >> and sometime shared mine. >> >> I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I >> don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. >> >> This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended up >> here. >> >> Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political >> statements and he was trying to help. >> >> His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those >> MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative >> for the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their >> mouth shut. >> >> Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. >> >> I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could >> be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. >> >> I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and >> that happens all the time in my life. >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message >> news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. >>> >>> >>> "xfile" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in >>>> his >>>> team. >>>> >>>> > >>>> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >>>> > news:%23l$... >>>> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does he >>>> >> know >>>> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>>> >> news:O1O%... >>>> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to offer >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows better >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >>>> >>> products >>>> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in >>>> >>> message >>>> >>> news:uQ0A%... >>>> >>>> Kevin; >>>> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad idea >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> most. >>>> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >>>> >>>> attractive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >>>> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for total >>>> >>>> data >>>> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any issues. >>>> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >>>> >>>> reasonable >>>> >>>> substitute for a released product. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >>>> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >>>> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:%... >>>> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 >>>> >>>>> Beta 3 >>>> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of >>>> >>>>> Windows >>>> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's Much >>>> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >>>> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >>>> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >>>> >>>>>> slopped >>>> >>>>>> Vista >>>> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything would >>>> >>>>>> go >>>> >>>>>> well. I >>>> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or other >>>> >>>>>> companies >>>> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very similar >>>> >>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>> 2003. Even >>>> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) >>>> >>>>>> was the >>>> >>>>>> best >>>> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >>>> >>>>>> after >>>> >>>>>> Win. >>>> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA on >>>> >>>>>> it. >>>> >>>>>> My last >>>> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to just >>>> >>>>>> find >>>> >>>>>> another >>>> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >>>> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Mike Hall >>>> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > -- > > > Mike Hall > MS MVP Windows Shell/User > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ > > > |
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There are remedies for Vista.. none of them include Norton Anything.. there
are remedies for XP.. none of them include Norton Anything.. McAfee and Nero have joined the ranks of Norton Anything, invasively integrating and screwing up as they go.. In fairness to Nero Suite, it is possible to uninstall all of it and selectively re-install the parts that are ok.. Norton and McAfee are difficult to remove, and the process often makes the computer even worse than when they were running.. There was a time when I was McAfee's best supporter, but no more.. I have been running Vista since Nov 17, 2006 on hardware that was supported well enough for it to be stable and run without major incident.. cal it luck if you will.. many have come here for help and gone away happy.. Norton and McAfee have not been part of the solution.. more often than not, they have been part of the problem.. Many of us say the same thing, and have done in the XP newsgroups too.. Norton and McAfee problems are not OS specific.. they can screw up anything, and do.. take a look at all of the posts where people have had problems with them, in the Vista and XP groups, then ask yourself why so many of us use the word 'suck' in the same sentence.. We don't use the word lightly.. we are here to help, not hinder, and I am not talking just about MVPs.. others make the same claim.. "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message news:%23L1Z%... > And one more thing I want to add which has been in my mind for very long - > If you can tolerate yourself to say something "sucks", you and your > fellows should do the same when someone says the same to your beloved > application. > > I am using the same standard, and I hope you guys, as professionals, can > at least do the same. > > I rest my case with no disrespect. > > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message > news:... >>A time limited beta that requires somebody skilled to even get it close to >>a desktop should NEVER be suggested as an alternative, even for Ubuntu.. >>:-) >> >> Norton Anything does suck, and has for the longest time.. like AOL, once >> installed, it is the devil's own job to remove it.. McAfee has followed >> suit and anybody who installed the McAfee utilities of a few years ago >> deserves compensation, as do users who unwittingly install all of Nero >> Suite.. >> >> >> >> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >> news:... >>> Hi, >>> >>> You should be >>> >>> The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy >>> (or upset) with his/her decision. >>> >>> When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with >>> interest and sometime shared mine. >>> >>> I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I >>> don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. >>> >>> This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended >>> up here. >>> >>> Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political >>> statements and he was trying to help. >>> >>> His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those >>> MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative >>> for the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their >>> mouth shut. >>> >>> Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. >>> >>> I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could >>> be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. >>> >>> I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and >>> that happens all the time in my life. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> >>> "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message >>> news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. >>>> >>>> >>>> "xfile" wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in >>>>> his >>>>> team. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >>>>> > news:%23l$... >>>>> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does >>>>> >> he know >>>>> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>>>> >> news:O1O%... >>>>> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to offer >>>>> >>> an >>>>> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows better >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >>>>> >>> products >>>>> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in >>>>> >>> message >>>>> >>> news:uQ0A%... >>>>> >>>> Kevin; >>>>> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad idea >>>>> >>>> for >>>>> >>>> most. >>>>> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >>>>> >>>> attractive. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >>>>> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for >>>>> >>>> total data >>>>> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any issues. >>>>> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >>>>> >>>> reasonable >>>>> >>>> substitute for a released product. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >>>>> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >>>>> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >>>>> >>>> news:%... >>>>> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 >>>>> >>>>> Beta 3 >>>>> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of >>>>> >>>>> Windows >>>>> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's Much >>>>> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >>>>> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >>>>> >>>>>> slopped >>>>> >>>>>> Vista >>>>> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything would >>>>> >>>>>> go >>>>> >>>>>> well. I >>>>> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or other >>>>> >>>>>> companies >>>>> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very similar >>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> 2003. Even >>>>> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) >>>>> >>>>>> was the >>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >>>>> >>>>>> after >>>>> >>>>>> Win. >>>>> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA on >>>>> >>>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>>> My last >>>>> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to just >>>>> >>>>>> find >>>>> >>>>>> another >>>>> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Mike Hall >>>>> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>>>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> Mike Hall >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >> >> >> > > -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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often have been purchased with that crap pre-installed. Then again, I have always removed Norton first thing with my new computers...... Mike, what is your opinion of Zone Alarm Suite ? "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message news:... > There are remedies for Vista.. none of them include Norton Anything.. > there are remedies for XP.. none of them include Norton Anything.. McAfee > and Nero have joined the ranks of Norton Anything, invasively integrating > and screwing up as they go.. > > In fairness to Nero Suite, it is possible to uninstall all of it and > selectively re-install the parts that are ok.. Norton and McAfee are > difficult to remove, and the process often makes the computer even worse > than when they were running.. There was a time when I was McAfee's best > supporter, but no more.. > > I have been running Vista since Nov 17, 2006 on hardware that was > supported well enough for it to be stable and run without major incident.. > cal it luck if you will.. many have come here for help and gone away > happy.. Norton and McAfee have not been part of the solution.. more often > than not, they have been part of the problem.. > > Many of us say the same thing, and have done in the XP newsgroups too.. > Norton and McAfee problems are not OS specific.. they can screw up > anything, and do.. take a look at all of the posts where people have had > problems with them, in the Vista and XP groups, then ask yourself why so > many of us use the word 'suck' in the same sentence.. > > We don't use the word lightly.. we are here to help, not hinder, and I am > not talking just about MVPs.. others make the same claim.. > > > "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message > news:%23L1Z%... >> And one more thing I want to add which has been in my mind for very >> long - If you can tolerate yourself to say something "sucks", you and >> your fellows should do the same when someone says the same to your >> beloved application. >> >> I am using the same standard, and I hope you guys, as professionals, can >> at least do the same. >> >> I rest my case with no disrespect. >> >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >> news:... >>>A time limited beta that requires somebody skilled to even get it close >>>to a desktop should NEVER be suggested as an alternative, even for >>>Ubuntu.. :-) >>> >>> Norton Anything does suck, and has for the longest time.. like AOL, once >>> installed, it is the devil's own job to remove it.. McAfee has followed >>> suit and anybody who installed the McAfee utilities of a few years ago >>> deserves compensation, as do users who unwittingly install all of Nero >>> Suite.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>> news:... >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> You should be >>>> >>>> The way I see it is very simple - Everyone has every right to be happy >>>> (or upset) with his/her decision. >>>> >>>> When peopel shared their success or failure stories, I read with >>>> interest and sometime shared mine. >>>> >>>> I don't knock down others just to prove my decision. A simple fact - I >>>> don't even say any AV "sucks" like many do. >>>> >>>> This post was a reply to Mike Hall - MVP and I don't know why it ended >>>> up here. >>>> >>>> Also, I joined this thread because Kevin no longer posted any political >>>> statements and he was trying to help. >>>> >>>> His suggestion may not be the best one like all of us including those >>>> MVP's. But he certainly desrves to post what he sees as an alternative >>>> for the problem, and if others can't do better, at least can keep their >>>> mouth shut. >>>> >>>> Again, I have no problem for anyone to be happy or upset with Vista. >>>> >>>> I know for a fact that some people cannot accept his/her decision could >>>> be wrong, but I won't be one of them and it's their problem not mine. >>>> >>>> I have no problem for changing my decisions based on new learning and >>>> that happens all the time in my life. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> >>>> "MS-Adict" <> wrote in message >>>> news:6B496069-995B-4D86-ACC4-... >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that Vista sucks, I am quite happy with it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "xfile" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, but Jupiter Jones or whatever his real name is knows you are in >>>>>> his >>>>>> team. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message >>>>>> > news:%23l$... >>>>>> >> He doesn't insult anybody, so you take that job on yourself? Does >>>>>> >> he know >>>>>> >> that he is part of your team? :-) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message >>>>>> >> news:O1O%... >>>>>> >>> He doesn't insult people nor bash any other products, but to >>>>>> >>> offer an >>>>>> >>> alternative where he sees appropriate. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> He obviously likes Microsoft and its products, but he knows >>>>>> >>> better for >>>>>> >>> not doing propaganda, and instead, offers another more "mature" >>>>>> >>> products >>>>>> >>> based on his "experience" on the two products. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> He is doing a much better job than many MVP's here including you. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in >>>>>> >>> message >>>>>> >>> news:uQ0A%... >>>>>> >>>> Kevin; >>>>>> >>>> A server operating system used as a desktop is usually a bad >>>>>> >>>> idea for >>>>>> >>>> most. >>>>>> >>>> Also since the Beta are time limited, that also makes it less >>>>>> >>>> attractive. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Most importantly it is Beta. >>>>>> >>>> No one should install Beta unless they are also prepared for >>>>>> >>>> total data >>>>>> >>>> loss and willing to reinstall as necessary to resolve any >>>>>> >>>> issues. >>>>>> >>>> This applies to an Beta from any source not just Microsoft. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> For the majority of users, a Beta operating system is NOT a >>>>>> >>>> reasonable >>>>>> >>>> substitute for a released product. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >>>>>> >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar >>>>>> >>>> http://www.dts-l.org >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <> wrote in message >>>>>> >>>> news:%... >>>>>> >>>>> If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll Love Windows Server 2008 >>>>>> >>>>> Beta 3 >>>>>> >>>>> Public Beta, I Am Currently Running The Latest IDS Build Of >>>>>> >>>>> Windows >>>>>> >>>>> Server 2008 (Not Available To The General Public), And It's >>>>>> >>>>> Much >>>>>> >>>>> Better Than Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> "xp via WindowsKB.com" <u33001@uwe> wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>> news:746f57d9b87f4@uwe... >>>>>> >>>>>> Windows Vista makes MS look very bad. I think that they just >>>>>> >>>>>> slopped >>>>>> >>>>>> Vista >>>>>> >>>>>> into place and forgot about it - thinking that everything >>>>>> >>>>>> would go >>>>>> >>>>>> well. I >>>>>> >>>>>> know many, many people switching to MAC, linux, Apple, or >>>>>> >>>>>> other >>>>>> >>>>>> companies >>>>>> >>>>>> because of Vista. The same with Office 2007. It is very >>>>>> >>>>>> similar to >>>>>> >>>>>> 2003. Even >>>>>> >>>>>> XP is a whole lot better than Vista. To me, Windows 2000 (2k) >>>>>> >>>>>> was the >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> >>>>>> operating system made. Everything seems to have gone down hill >>>>>> >>>>>> after >>>>>> >>>>>> Win. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2000. I dread having to purchase another computer with VISTA >>>>>> >>>>>> on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> My last >>>>>> >>>>>> XP home died earlier this year. I think I am better off to >>>>>> >>>>>> just find >>>>>> >>>>>> another >>>>>> >>>>>> XP and use that than have so many bugs and issues with Vista. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just the look at Vista makes me want to puke. It SUCKS! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> GREAT JOB ON MAKING VISTA, MS (NOT REALLY) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Message posted via WindowsKB.com >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....vista/200706/1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Mike Hall >>>>>> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>>>>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Mike Hall >>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User >>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > > > Mike Hall > MS MVP Windows Shell/User > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ > > > |
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