Re: W-a-a-y OT: Consider life without the power of speech

In an attempt to bring this back on topic, this in a small precursory way is
coming in Windows 7

There it takes the form of logging in to Windows using a biometric
fingerprint reader ie no typing (or speaking) involved; also eventually
being required to use a biometric fingerprint id when accessing particular
websites eg Facebook.

So I suppose that theoretically, as you suggest, you could easily envisage a
jump from this to a similar biometric device that monitors brain waves - eg
no entry if you're over the alpha wave limit, or caught emitting patterns
indicative of thoughts that have been censored by the Orwellian Thought
Police.

-"Mr X, we've checked your thoughts record, and you were caught dreaming
about Miss Y on 12th May at 4:32 am. How do you plead?"
-"Er..er..it wasn't me guvnor, it was a Trojan"

Historically / theologically I understand that this also culminates in the
reign of the AntiChrist and not being able to buy or sell unless you have
the mark of the beast on your forehead. So it may not be such an ideal
vision of the future as you might anticipate.


--
Jon




"Mark Conrad" <none-> wrote in message
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>
> Mankind uses speech extensively to communicate.
>
> Imagine how your life would be affected if you
> did not have the power of speech.
>
> You would carry your handy dandy keyboard and
> instant printer around with you daily.
>
> If a friend were about to step off the curb and
> get run over by traffic, you would frantically
> whip out your keyboard, type WATCH OUT! in big
> bold letters, and wave it in front of his face.
>
> Imagine your frustration at the local grocery store,
> as you and the checker exchange notes about the
> on-special price of an item, while the line builds up
> behind you.
>
>
> So why do some people constantly try to convert our
> priceless speech to text, seems downright stupid
> on the face of it, however it would be even more
> stupid to convert all text to speech!
>
> No more text, everything we know has to be retained
> in our flawed memory.
>
> Fact is, there is a time and a place for all forms of
> communication. Consider the lowly blind ant, major
> form of his communication is by odors and smell.
>
> Ten pounds of Bulldog ants in a glass cage can and
> will kill and consume a 750 pound African lion.
>
> So why doesn't my PC have "Smell Recognition",
> downright shameful.
>
> How much of _your_ daily life is text-based,
> compared to how much of your daily life is speech-based.
>
> This varies from individual to individual, in my case
> the split is approximately 98% speech, and 2% text, by
> volume of words.
>
> It would ordinarily be much higher, say 99.99% speech,
> but I live in a remote rural setting so do not have the
> usual opportunities to speak with my friends, other than
> by telephone.
>
> As you can imagine, I often have occasion to convert
> some of my priceless verbal prose to text.
>
>
> Imagine a future where even your thoughts were
> automatically converted into text, for later searching,
> editing, classification, by well proven text methods.
>
> Too far fetched? Not really, thoughts exist momentarily
> as electrical brain pulses, which in theory can be
> picked up and deciphered by specialized hardware/software.
>
> In theory? Yes, like that theory back in the 1940s that
> man would walk on the moon in about 30 years.
>
> Never again would your million-dollar ideas get lost
> in memory, your productivity would soar because in effect
> you would have a perfect memory for every thought
> that you ever had during your entire life.
>
> Kinda like an automatic diary, only much more detailed.
>
> Now what is needed is some sort of automagical way to
> CLASSIFY that tremendous amount of text, so that it
> would not take forever to retrieve your million-dollar
> ideas when they were needed later.
>
>
> We all know what a disastrous effect flawed memory has
> on productivity, so it stands to reason that a perfect
> memory would radically increase personal productivity.
>
>
> Now connecting-the-dots between all your great ideas
> still has to be done the difficult old-fashioned way.
>
> That is the tough part, great ideas are often not
> recognized at their true worth, by people with
> no imagination.
>
> What were the great ideas in our past?
>
> 1) Invention of the metal plow?
> 2) Invention of toilet paper?
>
> Dunno, I am just guessing.
>
>
> There used to be an old TV series called "Connections",
> where improbable connections were explored, which were
> not at all obvious, and which radically changed the
> lives of people on planet Earth.
>
> Most people, including me, are very poor at recognizing
> great opportunities, which is what REALLY should be
> taught in our schools - - - how to connect the dots.
>
> In other words, imagining the consequences of our ideas,
> which is _very_ _difficult_ to do, unless we had
> the foresight to change our prior thoughts/speech
> into text, instead of allowing our great thoughts
> to die in some forgotten memory.
>
> Mark-

"Mark Conrad" <none-> wrote in message
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> In article <>, Jon
> <> wrote:
>
>> So I suppose that theoretically, as you suggest, you could easily
>> envisage a
>> jump from this to a similar biometric device that monitors brain waves -
>> eg
>> no entry if you're over the alpha wave limit, or caught emitting patterns
>> indicative of thoughts that have been censored by the Orwellian Thought
>> Police.
>
> Shhh for heavens sake, there is one of them here right now,
> going by the name of Mike Brannigan.
>
> Mark-

Mark,

Reminding people that they should stay on topic for the newsgroup is hardly
censorship or "Orwellian Thought Police", I have no desire to see this
newsgroup degenerate any further with more off topic posts and irrelevancy
as peddled by various posters (no need to name them) . There is no need to
reply with statements about free speech or anything else around the fact you
said your original post was off topic - the solution is simple if you want
to post off topic then do it elsewhere, go paddle in the shallow end of the
gene pool in some other newsgroup or forum but this is a peer to peer
support newsgroup for the specific product Windows Vista, not Windows 7,
Ubuntu or random posts about a life without speech.
(I have no need to think about a life without speech as close friend of mine
is profoundly deaf and mute so I have an acute understanding of their life
without speech)
--
Mike Brannigan

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Conrad" <none-> wrote in message
> news:200520090646334281%none-...
>> In article <>, Jon
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> So I suppose that theoretically, as you suggest, you could easily
>>> envisage a
>>> jump from this to a similar biometric device that monitors brain waves -
>>> eg
>>> no entry if you're over the alpha wave limit, or caught emitting
>>> patterns
>>> indicative of thoughts that have been censored by the Orwellian Thought
>>> Police.
>>
>> Shhh for heavens sake, there is one of them here right now,
>> going by the name of Mike Brannigan.
>>
>> Mark-
>
> Mark,
>
> Reminding people that they should stay on topic for the newsgroup is
> hardly censorship or "Orwellian Thought Police", I have no desire to see
> this newsgroup degenerate any further with more off topic posts and
> irrelevancy as peddled by various posters (no need to name them) . There
> is no need to reply with statements about free speech or anything else
> around the fact you said your original post was off topic - the solution
> is simple if you want to post off topic then do it elsewhere, go paddle in
> the shallow end of the gene pool in some other newsgroup or forum but this
> is a peer to peer support newsgroup for the specific product Windows
> Vista, not Windows 7, Ubuntu or random posts about a life without speech.
> (I have no need to think about a life without speech as close friend of
> mine is profoundly deaf and mute so I have an acute understanding of their
> life without speech)
> --
> Mike Brannigan

Why people have such a hard time adapting to simple rules is beyond me.
If the need arises to express one's thoughts, there are blogs and other
sites available, but somehow they construe their purpose to be fitting.
Thank you for trying to 'keep it clean'.

Harry.
>

"Mark Conrad" <none-> wrote in message
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> In article <BAC5FE6A-B142-47D5-8E4B->, Mike
> Brannigan <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:
>
>> I have no need to think
>
> That is r-i-g-h-t , so please do your non-thinking
> elsewhere, we have enough shallow thinkers here already.
>
>
>> Reminding people that they should stay on topic...(blah blah)
>
> microsoft.public.windows.vista.GENERAL
>
> What part of the word "general" do you not understand?

In this case the word "general" is attached to "Vista", not its universal
meaning.
Let's keep it in context! <H>.

>
> You self-appointed thought police are a royal PITA.
>
> Your overbearing pomposity is only exceeded by your
> supercilious condescendency.
>
>
>> (I have no need to think about a life without speech
>> as close friend of mine is profoundly deaf and mute
>> so I have an acute understanding of their
>> life without speech)
>
> You are a false friend with zero understanding, else you
> would be doing everything in your power to follow threads
> like this one, and encourage your friend to use powerful
> speech recognition apps like Dragon NaturallySpeaking Pro.
>
> Mark-
>
>
> Instead, you harass the very people who could help the person
> that you pretend

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
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......... the solution is simple if you want
> to post off topic then do it elsewhere, go paddle in the shallow end of
> the gene pool in some other newsgroup or forum but this is a peer to peer
> support newsgroup for the specific product Windows Vista, not Windows 7,
> ..........


Mike B, it's time there were a English-speaking NNTP Windows 7 newsgroup,
so we can give voice to our eugenically 'deviant' genetic makeups in a more
appropriate setting.

One such Italian newsgroup is all very well, but the since the majority of
folks on here don't speak Italian, nor are members of the Club of Rome,
quite frankly it aint much use.

Be a hero and get on to your pals at MS to help give the ordinary people
back their voice.


--
Jon

"Mark Conrad" <none-> wrote in message
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> In article <BAC5FE6A-B142-47D5-8E4B->, Mike
> Brannigan <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:
>
>> I have no need to think
>
> That is r-i-g-h-t , so please do your non-thinking
> elsewhere, we have enough shallow thinkers here already.
>

Oh look a selective out of context edit - not exactly furthering your case
here with childish name calling.
>
>> Reminding people that they should stay on topic...(blah blah)
>
> microsoft.public.windows.vista.GENERAL
>
> What part of the word "general" do you not understand?
>

What part of windows.VISTA are you having a problem understanding?

> You self-appointed thought police are a royal PITA.
>
> Your overbearing pomposity is only exceeded by your
> supercilious condescendency.
>

Ah, name calling, how mature of you and such a way to win people over to
your point of view; I don't think so.

>
>> (I have no need to think about a life without speech
>> as close friend of mine is profoundly deaf and mute
>> so I have an acute understanding of their
>> life without speech)
>
> You are a false friend with zero understanding, else you
> would be doing everything in your power to follow threads
> like this one, and encourage your friend to use powerful
> speech recognition apps like Dragon NaturallySpeaking Pro.
>

Since you have absolutely no knowledge of my relationships I very much doubt
you are in any position to make any statement about it.
I have also never encouraged anyone to use "speech recognition apps like
Dragon NaturallySpeaking Pro" and obviously it would be totally useless on
my friend you is UNABLE to speak - or did you not understand the use of the
phrase "deaf and mute"?

> Mark-
>
>
> Instead, you harass the very people who could help the person
> that you pretend

I guess you were unable to communicate via text what you were trying to say,
but frankly; if you do think you can "help" then I suggest you take it to a
more appropriate forum for discussion around the issues and technical help
for the speech impaired community.
try
www.nad.org or one of the other many bodies who really do work to help
people like my friend

--

Mike Brannigan

"Jon" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:BAC5FE6A-B142-47D5-8E4B-...
>
> ........ the solution is simple if you want
>> to post off topic then do it elsewhere, go paddle in the shallow end of
>> the gene pool in some other newsgroup or forum but this is a peer to peer
>> support newsgroup for the specific product Windows Vista, not Windows 7,
>> ..........
>
>
> Mike B, it's time there were a English-speaking NNTP Windows 7 newsgroup,
> so we can give voice to our eugenically 'deviant' genetic makeups in a
> more appropriate setting.
>
> One such Italian newsgroup is all very well, but the since the majority of
> folks on here don't speak Italian, nor are members of the Club of Rome,
> quite frankly it aint much use.
>
> Be a hero and get on to your pals at MS to help give the ordinary people
> back their voice.
>
>
> --
> Jon

Hi Jon,

I think we discussed this elsewhere, but the use of the Microsoft hosted
communities forums looks like it is becoming the preferred medium to replace
the classic NNTP newsgroups long term, as they offer a significant number of
perceived advantages over classic newsgroups, such as easier access for the
general public who are more familiar with the web/forum world as opposed to
setting up newsreaders. Also the communities add additional functionality
to the threads such a voting and feedback etc (I know there is some of that
here if you use Windows Mail as your reader but in general).
So there may be a set of Windows 7 newsgroups after RTM this fall/autumn,
but for now there is a very active set of "groups" where MSFT staff do
actively participate accessed by the Microsoft forums at
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...tegory/w7itpro


--

Mike Brannigan

>
>
>
>

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Jon,
>
> I think we discussed this elsewhere, but the use of the Microsoft hosted
> communities forums looks like it is becoming the preferred medium to
> replace the classic NNTP newsgroups long term, as they offer a significant
> number of perceived advantages over classic newsgroups, such as easier
> access for the general public who are more familiar with the web/forum
> world as opposed to setting up newsreaders. Also the communities add
> additional functionality to the threads such a voting and feedback etc (I
> know there is some of that here if you use Windows Mail as your reader but
> in general).
> So there may be a set of Windows 7 newsgroups after RTM this fall/autumn,
> but for now there is a very active set of "groups" where MSFT staff do
> actively participate accessed by the Microsoft forums at
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...tegory/w7itpro
>
>


Ok, thanks for the info Mike. Hopefully, as you say, there'll be some
newsgroups in a few months time.

--
Jon