Re: what we are about

On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
> > and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply show
> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
> > have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
> > manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
> > that was all it took.
> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>
> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
>
> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
> community.
>
> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>
> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>
> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>
> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/


Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
version of Linux.

<> wrote in message
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> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
> version of Linux.
>


Umm no. there are now two or three distro that dominate the "market" -
(K)Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS being two of them. How many versions of Vista are
there? Five? Six?

> Umm no. there are now two or three distro that dominate the "market" -
> (K)Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS being two of them. How many versions of Vista are
> there? Five? Six?

1. The core is the same for all of them. What version you purchase
determines what features you get, nothing more. Linux, as versatile as it
is, has different cores depending on the vendor you choose, and they're not
interchangeable for the most part. They will be able to compete effectively
when the core programmers concentrate their efforts collaberatively on the
consumer market. Until then they won't, not because Linux has issues (it
does, just like Windows), but because they will not get support from the
mainstream software vendors until they do. As long as the majority of
consumer software is written for Windows, it will continue to dominate the
market.

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"Gordon" <> wrote in message
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> <> wrote in message
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>> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
>> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
>> version of Linux.
>>
>
>

>
>

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:54:52 -0400, Rick Rogers wrote:

>> Umm no. there are now two or three distro that dominate the "market" -
>> (K)Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS being two of them. How many versions of Vista
>> are there? Five? Six?
>
> 1. The core is the same for all of them. What version you purchase
> determines what features you get, nothing more. Linux, as versatile as
> it is, has different cores depending on the vendor you choose, and
> they're not interchangeable for the most part. They will be able to
> compete effectively when the core programmers concentrate their efforts
> collaberatively on the consumer market. Until then they won't, not
> because Linux has issues (it does, just like Windows), but because they
> will not get support from the mainstream software vendors until they do.
> As long as the majority of consumer software is written for Windows, it
> will continue to dominate the market.

Huh? Different cores?

They all use the same Kernel.

They all use X-Server.

Most either use Gnome or KDE.

So what's the problem? The primary difference between distributions is
only what they come with by default. And in case of Debian or Redhat
based distributions, package management.

From a software standpoint though, I as a developer don't care what
distribution my customer is running. As long as their distribution meets
my minimum requirements, my software will run.

I write software every friggin day that's capable of running on any
version of Linux or windows with extremely little to no extra effort
required on my part.

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<> wrote in message
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> On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
>> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
>> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
>> > and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
>> > show
>> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
>> > have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
>> > manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
>> > that was all it took.
>> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>>
>> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
>> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
>> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
>>
>> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
>> community.
>>
>> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>>
>> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
>> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>>
>> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>>
>> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>
>
> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
> version of Linux.

Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."

If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.



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On 2007-10-06 14:20:24 -0700, said:

> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.

Nonsense. Linux is used to run all kinds of server apps in big and
small production environments. It's also the best thing to use when
you have legacy Windows apps that you have to keep around: just stick
them in a VMWare environment, and it doesn't matter when they get
corrupted because you can instantly restart them from a pristine state.

-jcr

On 2007-10-06 16:19:54 -0700, "Randy Oaks" <> said:

> Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."

More like, too many kitchens and too much effort to find the kitchen
that's making what you're hungry for.

> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
> done so already.

Which consumer market? Linux is already in a hell of a lot of consumer
devices, from TiVos to cell phones.

> Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.

No, XP will dominate as Windows' market share erodes. Vista is a flop.

Vista is the best thing that Microsoft could possibly have done for
their competition. It will cost them 40% or more of their market
share, with LInux picking up most of the server business and the Mac
getting the portable and desktop installations.

-jcr

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:20:24 -0700, bones4jones wrote:

<snip>

>
> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
> version of Linux.

Inaccurate. Most developers are maintaining and creating packages, not
distros. And, although it's quite a challenge to do so, a handful of
developers can keep a distro going - see PCLOS or Mepis for examples.

--
Kier