"Mark Conrad" wrote in his fairytale message:
> > > No they don't, they would choose Dragon Medical if they had any sense.
> > > Then, all that jargon would be there already hardcoded inside.
>Wrong, I have the $1,600 full medical version, and "annulopapillary"
>is not hardcoded inside, it has to be added as a "user" word.
Well then, if it is not hardcoded in Medical, it will not be in Preferred
either. You would have to train it as you would in any other application
just as I did in WSR. Perhaps you did train it in Preferred and I miss read
it. You certainly would not have got that word right without training it.
Let's do a little test shall we? I am now using Dragon Professional and I
will dictate that word in the sentence below using the same syllables I did
in WSR. Bearing in mind, I have not trained it in Professional.
I am about to attempt to say the word and although papillary.
'And although papillary'. That is what came out untrained. In fact, the
last part of the word 'papillary' came out exactly right, so I doubt whether
that word would be too difficult to train in Professional or indeed any
other speech app.
> Now annulopapillary will be stuck in my vocabulary all on its own
> forever and ever along with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
> and would that bee be flying south.
>Wrong, only takes a few seconds to remove them from WSR.
This is true. I can easily go to the dictionary and delete those words.
The reason I am keeping them in, is to prove to an ignorant old man that
they will stay there and stick and will come out on screen every time I
pronounce them ;-).
>BTW, I found out a little more about the newest bug in WSR.
>If I butcher the word "annulopapillary" by wrongly pronouncing
>it as "annulopapill" - - - THEN the correct word "annulopapillary"
>is printed, without any trailing crap after the word.
There you go then! You have found a way to split up the syllables so that it
will come out on-screen without any problems. How can that be a bug if it
works? The way I did it worked fine by effectively breaking it down into
three words as I explained in one of my previous posts. You have found a
different way, that's all.
Nobody is saying that WSR is perfect and on a par with Dragon in some
respects. I am just proving points that work within WSR, which you say do
not.
>Dragon Preferred, needless to say, does not have that bug.
As I said before, if that's what you think, then why are you still using
WSR?
It's quite simple really. Put the WSR to one side and use your Dragon
preferred and then everybody will be happy, won't they?
I, on the other hand, look at the bigger picture. Yes, I have already
conceded dozens of times that Dragon is more accurate than WSR in dictation
but there are other advantages within WSR that Dragon does not possess.
Especially on the command side.
Now answer this:
Dragon has obvious advantages over WSR in some areas. WSR has obvious
advantages over Dragon in others. No need to go over them again and explain
the differences between the two as I have done this umpteen times before in
previous posts.
Now, I have the Dragon bar sitting at the top of my screen and the WSR voice
meter sitting just below it. I have a command macro that allows me to switch
between the two in seconds. For this to work you actually need two command
macros. One has to be placed in Dragon's Command Browser and the other has
to be placed within Windows speech macros.
Now when I say 'Enable Dragon', the voice meter of WSR will shut off
completely (not just go to sleep) Dragon will wake up from off and then I
can carry on using Dragon. Now if I want to switch back to WSR for any
reason, I simply say 'Enable Windows Speech'. The Dragon microphone will
switch off, lay down and become red and WSR will come on like magic. It's
that quick to interact between the two.
Now my question is: If there are pros and cons within each speech app and it
is that quick to interact between the two, do you not find it sensible to
get the best out of both of them therefore making life even easier? I know
it has for me ;-).
That is why I use both because for me, they both have their excellent uses.
If you find WSR no use at all, then do us all a favour and just stop using
it and move on. If it is that bad in your eyes, why are you spending so much
time with it? Just get on with it using your Preferred!
>"annulopapillary" is correctly pronounced as:
> uh-new-low-pa-pill-air-ee ("pa" as in "past")
Mark, I am not the least bit interested in how you pronounce it or indeed
the word itself. I merely proved a point and showed that the way I did it,
worked no problem at all.
I am now switching to WSR. I will now pronounce annulopapillary to show that
is still in my vocabulary and comes up perfect every time when pronounced
the way I recorded it. The same with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and
would that bee be flying south.
>> ...because words like annulopapillary are more suited to a doctor
>> who would then buy Dragon Medical at $1600 a whack for this use.
>Contrary to popular belief, some doctors are quite poor,
>so have to drop down to Dragon Preferred at $200.
Well in this country, I haven't met a poor one yet ;-).
That seems rather silly to me. Have you ever heard the saying the right
tools for the right job?
If I were a doctor and dead keen and insistent upon using speech
recognition, I just would not be happy knowing that the medical version was
more suited to my profession therefore making life easier. It would make no
sense to cut corners.
>Still other doctors, after paying their yearly $100,000 for
>malpractice insurance, find that they are even too poor for
>Dragon Preferred, and <shudder> try to make do with WSR.
I've done okay with it along with Dragon Professional so I don't need for
anything else.
At the end of the day, people have a choice do they not? Albeit some speech
apps are more expensive than others. I started with WSR because it was
already integrated into the operating system therefore I had nothing to lose
by trying it.
I really did not expect much because the last time I used speech recognition
was when I was in hospital in 2004 and the speech app they were using at
that time was Dragon. Back then, I can honestly say with hand on heart it
was a complete waste of time so I did not expect too much with WSR.
The rest you know. I was more than mildly surprised at how good it was
compared to 2004. That was my starting point and now I use it along with
Dragon Professional and now it is second nature.
>Those poor souls are up ****-creek without a paddle, running
>into the same buggy broken WSR that I am trying to use,
>without much success.
Then stop using it and move on. You keep trying all these experiments with
it and seemingly spending loads of time with it. Why don't you put it to one
side and move on if it is that bad in your eyes?
You are obviously not getting the success I am with it. So put it away and
use your little Preferred instead!
Instead of spending all this time with WSR which you are obviously having
trouble trying to fathom out, go out for a nice meal or a nice walk or
something. Don't spend the rest of your life trying to work something out
that is a little too difficult for you ;-).
>> As Marty said, that is non-standard language...
>It is all the _same_ language, English, as at least 95% of
>the words a doctor uses can be found in any large regular
>English dictionary.
Okay. If that is true then it still leaves 5%. That is still quite a
sizeable chunk of the English language is it not?
Annulopapillary , I could not find anywhere in any normal dictionary. In
fact, I had problems trying to find it even in a medical one. In the end, I
had to type it into Google and find it that way.
Anyway, I cannot but feel you are dragging the subject away from the point
and splitting hairs!
The point is I managed to train a non-standard word as your 'annulopapillary'
into WSR and successfully train it'. Once again, it would be the same with
any word. Some obviously harder than others but at the end of the day, this
is a pointless conversation because if you required medical terms such as
those of others if you like, I doubt you would use WSR for this purpose. You
would use the right tool for the right job and use Dragon Medical if you had
any sense.
>Hey, I am not close-minded like you are Andy, I actually
>try things, even things like the above, which I know
>will not work.
>> Well it worked for me ;-). And I am not close-minded either. You set
>> me a
>> test to train that phrase and I passed it in 20 seconds :-).
>> "Would that bee be flying south?" See? Works every time. I have no
>> reason
>> to lie and I would be the first to tell you if it did not work but it
>> does,
>> without fail. The reason: because I have trained that phrase to the WSR
>> vocabulary so it will come out every time like that.
>Well I have no reason to doubt you, as you would have nothing
>to gain by lying, unless you are working on commission
>for Marty. ;-) ;-)
Marty lives in the US and I live in the UK. That's as far as our
relationship goes. Having said that, he has helped tremendously with advice
and donating the toolkit to me amongst other little things.
If I was on commission, do you think I would be in these forums conversing
with someone as dense as you?
>I will be the first to admit that strange things happen to
>some users, that can not be duplicated by other users.
Maybe, but I can only tell you what happens when I try your experiment on my
machine, I can't speak for others. So far, I have passed every single one of
your pointless tests. Not that I need to really. I just get satisfaction in
proving you wrong all the time ;-).
>However, I am not the first to notice that WSR sometimes
>spits out some unwanted characters after a word is dictated.
>...and my computer den is dead quiet, and I am using the
>same headset and same computer as I use with Dragon.
Then leave the WSR alone, use your fantastic headset and just use Dragon.
Then you can leave you den two hours earlier and sample the finer things in
life ;-). Easy solution really isn't it?
> In that case, what a waste of money Dragon Medical is at $1600.
> They must have seen you coming ;-)
>Not really, those who can afford it, buy it. It has many features...
So have all the speech apps! Some better than others. I cannot believe a
doctor will stoop to using a lesser instrument where the medical profession
is concerned.
>I can't really afford this high priced software.
It does not sound like it in your boasting of having all of them as though
we all have to be somewhat impressed by this.
>I had to cancel
>my three memberships in...
< SNIP! > Not interested Mark! Stick to the point!
You sound a very sad and lonely man Mark. Take my advice, leave WSR alone
and go out clubbing for a change. That should liven up your life! :-)
andy t
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