Re: Why isn't there a new combined client

Greetings,

I'm not clear about how Communicator 2005 isn't "modern"? Exactly what functionality are you
missing? The idea is to have a corporate, clean and professional IM client without the
"cutesy" features which are in Windows Live Messenger. If you're looking for the cutesy
features, don't expect them any time soon. I assure you, Winks aren't on the feature list
for Communicator 2007.

As well, I don't think you'll see a combined client again for a long time, the teams are
separate and putting them back together would be a big political decision. If you really
want a combined client with more of the "fun" features, you can grab a Mac and use
Messenger:Mac which does both. No voice or video though.

Communicator 2007 is supposed to come next year, inevitably it will be included in Enterprise
2007 itself. If you have legal access to Enterprise now, then it will simply be delivered
the same way Office has.

Windows Messenger 5.1 installs just fine on Vista for me, are you sure you're using at least
RC2? Earlier builds did have issues though.

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Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
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"MCSE4U" <> wrote in message
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> Can anyone offer me a reasonable explaination on why there isn't a modern IM
> client that can do SIP and .NET passport? Why must we be subject to running
> two separate programs to accomplish the same function???
> Who decided to remove all the SIP functionality after Messenger 5.1 and
> create a SIP only client called Communicator 2005 (which sucks by the way).
> Communicator 2007 is supposed to be released with Office 2007 Enterprise,
> but guess what? I have Office 2007 Enterprise, and it's not in there. Nice
> huh?
> Why does it seem like MS goes out of their way to **** off their clients.
> Considering Messenger 5.1 does not run on Vista, and Communicator 2005 blows,
> we won't be migrating to the new OS for a long time.

Hi,

Windows Messenger 5.1 will do everything you want and is fully supported, that's what you're
going to have to use. Have a great holiday.

Don't go into sales.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--

"MCSE4U" <> wrote in message
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>I think you miss the entire point. We use it as a tool to be able to
> communicate with internal as well as external clients. I couldn't care less
> about the cutesy features you speak of. I care about being able to have all
> of my contacts within a single product and without having to purchase a
> public IM 'license' for the ability to do something that was once free. As
> far as your MVP advice goes, it's pretty useless. Suggesting I purchase
> another Operating System is simply a sign that you should not be an MVP as
> your advice and information is shallow and useless. You might as well have
> not answered this email, as you still didn't even answer the full question as
> to where Communicator 07 is, but I assume like most everyone at Microsoft,
> you are clueless to the needs of the customer.
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm not clear about how Communicator 2005 isn't "modern"? Exactly what functionality are
>> you
>> missing? The idea is to have a corporate, clean and professional IM client without the
>> "cutesy" features which are in Windows Live Messenger. If you're looking for the cutesy
>> features, don't expect them any time soon. I assure you, Winks aren't on the feature list
>> for Communicator 2007.
>>
>> As well, I don't think you'll see a combined client again for a long time, the teams are
>> separate and putting them back together would be a big political decision. If you really
>> want a combined client with more of the "fun" features, you can grab a Mac and use
>> Messenger:Mac which does both. No voice or video though.
>>
>> Communicator 2007 is supposed to come next year, inevitably it will be included in
>> Enterprise
>> 2007 itself. If you have legal access to Enterprise now, then it will simply be delivered
>> the same way Office has.
>>
>> Windows Messenger 5.1 installs just fine on Vista for me, are you sure you're using at
>> least
>> RC2? Earlier builds did have issues though.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> Associate Expert
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>> --
>>
>> "MCSE4U" <> wrote in message
>> news:33DAF57D-C348-424F-9598-...
>> > Can anyone offer me a reasonable explaination on why there isn't a modern IM
>> > client that can do SIP and .NET passport? Why must we be subject to running
>> > two separate programs to accomplish the same function???
>> > Who decided to remove all the SIP functionality after Messenger 5.1 and
>> > create a SIP only client called Communicator 2005 (which sucks by the way).
>> > Communicator 2007 is supposed to be released with Office 2007 Enterprise,
>> > but guess what? I have Office 2007 Enterprise, and it's not in there. Nice
>> > huh?
>> > Why does it seem like MS goes out of their way to **** off their clients.
>> > Considering Messenger 5.1 does not run on Vista, and Communicator 2005 blows,
>> > we won't be migrating to the new OS for a long time.
>>
>>

I believe WM 5.1 is not supported in vista...


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> Windows Messenger 5.1 will do everything you want and is fully supported,
> that's what you're going to have to use. Have a great holiday.
>
> Don't go into sales.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
> "MCSE4U" <> wrote in message
> news:F1363BB6-F296-4CA4-8768-...
>>I think you miss the entire point. We use it as a tool to be able to
>> communicate with internal as well as external clients. I couldn't care
>> less
>> about the cutesy features you speak of. I care about being able to have
>> all
>> of my contacts within a single product and without having to purchase a
>> public IM 'license' for the ability to do something that was once free.
>> As
>> far as your MVP advice goes, it's pretty useless. Suggesting I purchase
>> another Operating System is simply a sign that you should not be an MVP
>> as
>> your advice and information is shallow and useless. You might as well
>> have
>> not answered this email, as you still didn't even answer the full
>> question as
>> to where Communicator 07 is, but I assume like most everyone at
>> Microsoft,
>> you are clueless to the needs of the customer.
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I'm not clear about how Communicator 2005 isn't "modern"? Exactly what
>>> functionality are you
>>> missing? The idea is to have a corporate, clean and professional IM
>>> client without the
>>> "cutesy" features which are in Windows Live Messenger. If you're
>>> looking for the cutesy
>>> features, don't expect them any time soon. I assure you, Winks aren't
>>> on the feature list
>>> for Communicator 2007.
>>>
>>> As well, I don't think you'll see a combined client again for a long
>>> time, the teams are
>>> separate and putting them back together would be a big political
>>> decision. If you really
>>> want a combined client with more of the "fun" features, you can grab a
>>> Mac and use
>>> Messenger:Mac which does both. No voice or video though.
>>>
>>> Communicator 2007 is supposed to come next year, inevitably it will be
>>> included in Enterprise
>>> 2007 itself. If you have legal access to Enterprise now, then it will
>>> simply be delivered
>>> the same way Office has.
>>>
>>> Windows Messenger 5.1 installs just fine on Vista for me, are you sure
>>> you're using at least
>>> RC2? Earlier builds did have issues though.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Kay
>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>>> Associate Expert
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>>> --
>>>
>>> "MCSE4U" <> wrote in message
>>> news:33DAF57D-C348-424F-9598-...
>>> > Can anyone offer me a reasonable explaination on why there isn't a
>>> > modern IM
>>> > client that can do SIP and .NET passport? Why must we be subject to
>>> > running
>>> > two separate programs to accomplish the same function???
>>> > Who decided to remove all the SIP functionality after Messenger 5.1
>>> > and
>>> > create a SIP only client called Communicator 2005 (which sucks by the
>>> > way).
>>> > Communicator 2007 is supposed to be released with Office 2007
>>> > Enterprise,
>>> > but guess what? I have Office 2007 Enterprise, and it's not in there.
>>> > Nice
>>> > huh?
>>> > Why does it seem like MS goes out of their way to **** off their
>>> > clients.
>>> > Considering Messenger 5.1 does not run on Vista, and Communicator 2005
>>> > blows,
>>> > we won't be migrating to the new OS for a long time.
>>>
>>>
>
>