Re: Windows Defender Re-installation

How did you remove defender? What procedure did you use?

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"Mark" <> wrote in message
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> When upgrading Windows XP to Vista, I inadvertantly uninstalled the Vista
> version of Defender thinking it was the XP version (using Add/Remove
> Programs). I then went on to make a whole bunch of changes to the OS and
> installed and reconfigured a wide range of software applications. THEN I
> realized I uninstalled an OS component I needed and wanted.
>
> There was no (apparent) way to re-install Defender. It was not a
> component
> that I could enable nor did a system repair (from the install disk)
> re-install defender; the system repair utility (apparently) perceived the
> removal of Defender as a desired change and did not re-install it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I have one for Microsoft: If you give people the ability to remove
> software, be sure to give them the ability to add it back later.
>
> ----------------
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> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...allation_setup

Add/Remove Programs

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> How did you remove defender? What procedure did you use?
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> news:45D3B5E7-477E-40F2-87F0-...
> > When upgrading Windows XP to Vista, I inadvertantly uninstalled the Vista
> > version of Defender thinking it was the XP version (using Add/Remove
> > Programs). I then went on to make a whole bunch of changes to the OS and
> > installed and reconfigured a wide range of software applications. THEN I
> > realized I uninstalled an OS component I needed and wanted.
> >
> > There was no (apparent) way to re-install Defender. It was not a
> > component
> > that I could enable nor did a system repair (from the install disk)
> > re-install defender; the system repair utility (apparently) perceived the
> > removal of Defender as a desired change and did not re-install it.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > I have one for Microsoft: If you give people the ability to remove
> > software, be sure to give them the ability to add it back later.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...allation_setup
>
>
>

Where did you find Add/Remove Programs in Vista?

I can find where Windows Defender is displayed as an
installed program in "Control Panel" > "Programs" but I do
not have Windows Defender listed, nor the option to remove
it, when I move on to "Programs and Features" where
"Uninstall" and/or "Change" are options when you select the
programs listed there.

Are you sure you removed Windows Defender in Vista? My
installation does not give such an option!


Mark wrote:
> Add/Remove Programs
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> How did you remove defender? What procedure did you use?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> news:45D3B5E7-477E-40F2-87F0-...
>>> When upgrading Windows XP to Vista, I inadvertantly uninstalled the Vista
>>> version of Defender thinking it was the XP version (using Add/Remove
>>> Programs). I then went on to make a whole bunch of changes to the OS and
>>> installed and reconfigured a wide range of software applications. THEN I
>>> realized I uninstalled an OS component I needed and wanted.
>>>
>>> There was no (apparent) way to re-install Defender. It was not a
>>> component
>>> that I could enable nor did a system repair (from the install disk)
>>> re-install defender; the system repair utility (apparently) perceived the
>>> removal of Defender as a desired change and did not re-install it.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> I have one for Microsoft: If you give people the ability to remove
>>> software, be sure to give them the ability to add it back later.
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...allation_setup
>>
>>

Not from there you didn't.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Mark" <> wrote in message
news:A26E5EB5-1794-46A5-A3D6-...
> Add/Remove Programs
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> How did you remove defender? What procedure did you use?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> news:45D3B5E7-477E-40F2-87F0-...
>> > When upgrading Windows XP to Vista, I inadvertantly uninstalled the
>> > Vista
>> > version of Defender thinking it was the XP version (using Add/Remove
>> > Programs). I then went on to make a whole bunch of changes to the OS
>> > and
>> > installed and reconfigured a wide range of software applications. THEN
>> > I
>> > realized I uninstalled an OS component I needed and wanted.
>> >
>> > There was no (apparent) way to re-install Defender. It was not a
>> > component
>> > that I could enable nor did a system repair (from the install disk)
>> > re-install defender; the system repair utility (apparently) perceived
>> > the
>> > removal of Defender as a desired change and did not re-install it.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > I have one for Microsoft: If you give people the ability to remove
>> > software, be sure to give them the ability to add it back later.
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> > "I
>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> > this
>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> > then
>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >
>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...allation_setup
>>
>>
>>

But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes
sense if there happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to
Vista. There is no Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista
as there is in XP.


Jane C wrote:
> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove Programs
> because it had been there in XP?
> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
> Defender is inbuilt.
>

umm,

Theo,
Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
or
Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style

seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.

Jeff

"Theo" <> wrote in message
news:...
> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if there
> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>
>
> Jane C wrote:
>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove Programs
>> because it had been there in XP?
>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
>> Defender is inbuilt.
>>

Right, it is.

But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a protected
system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.

You CAN turn it off!

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Jeff" <> wrote in message
news:...
> umm,
>
> Theo,
> Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
> Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
> or
> Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
>
> seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
>
> Jeff
>
> "Theo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if there
>> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
>> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>>
>>
>> Jane C wrote:
>>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove Programs
>>> because it had been there in XP?
>>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
>>> Defender is inbuilt.
>>>
>

You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a problem.
Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.



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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Mark" <> wrote in message
news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
> True,
>
> But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender (I
> checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed as
> an
> external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
> GeekUnit).
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> Right, it is.
>>
>> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a protected
>> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
>> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
>>
>> You CAN turn it off!
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > umm,
>> >
>> > Theo,
>> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
>> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
>> > or
>> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
>> >
>> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
>> >> there
>> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
>> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jane C wrote:
>> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
>> >>> Programs
>> >>> because it had been there in XP?
>> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
>> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>>

I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the programs
it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.

That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions that
will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a problem.
> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
> > True,
> >
> > But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender (I
> > checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed as
> > an
> > external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
> > GeekUnit).
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> Right, it is.
> >>
> >> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a protected
> >> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
> >> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
> >>
> >> You CAN turn it off!
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>
> >> Quote from George Ankner:
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >> > umm,
> >> >
> >> > Theo,
> >> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
> >> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
> >> > or
> >> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
> >> >
> >> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
> >> >
> >> > Jeff
> >> >
> >> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
> >> > news:...
> >> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
> >> >> there
> >> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
> >> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jane C wrote:
> >> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
> >> >>> Programs
> >> >>> because it had been there in XP?
> >> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
> >> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Well Mark, you uninstalled a remnant from Windows XP that happens to be
duplicated in Vista. Therefore, you inadvertently hurt Vista. I am surprised
that Microsoft didn't foresee this possibility.

A reinstall of Vista will likely be necessary at this point as there is no
mechanism to install Windows Defender separately.

As your system is already hosed, why not download Defender from the
Microsoft website? Try to install it on Vista. It probably won't work, but
you have nothing to loose at this point.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Mark" <> wrote in message
news:0468AA14-C448-4D4B-9670-...
>I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the
>programs
> it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.
>
> That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions
> that
> will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a
>> problem.
>> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
>> > True,
>> >
>> > But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender
>> > (I
>> > checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed
>> > as
>> > an
>> > external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
>> > GeekUnit).
>> >
>> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Right, it is.
>> >>
>> >> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a
>> >> protected
>> >> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
>> >> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
>> >>
>> >> You CAN turn it off!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Richard Urban
>> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>> >>
>> >> Quote from George Ankner:
>> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:...
>> >> > umm,
>> >> >
>> >> > Theo,
>> >> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
>> >> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
>> >> > or
>> >> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
>> >> >
>> >> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jeff
>> >> >
>> >> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
>> >> > news:...
>> >> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
>> >> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jane C wrote:
>> >> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
>> >> >>> Programs
>> >> >>> because it had been there in XP?
>> >> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
>> >> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>