Re: Windows Defender Re-installation

If I did an 'Upgrade' install at this point, what do you think the
consequences would be to other applications (e.g. Office 2003, Adobe
products, Nero 7,...)

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> Well Mark, you uninstalled a remnant from Windows XP that happens to be
> duplicated in Vista. Therefore, you inadvertently hurt Vista. I am surprised
> that Microsoft didn't foresee this possibility.
>
> A reinstall of Vista will likely be necessary at this point as there is no
> mechanism to install Windows Defender separately.
>
> As your system is already hosed, why not download Defender from the
> Microsoft website? Try to install it on Vista. It probably won't work, but
> you have nothing to loose at this point.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> news:0468AA14-C448-4D4B-9670-...
> >I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the
> >programs
> > it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.
> >
> > That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions
> > that
> > will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a
> >> problem.
> >> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>
> >> Quote from George Ankner:
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> >> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
> >> > True,
> >> >
> >> > But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender
> >> > (I
> >> > checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed
> >> > as
> >> > an
> >> > external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
> >> > GeekUnit).
> >> >
> >> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Right, it is.
> >> >>
> >> >> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a
> >> >> protected
> >> >> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
> >> >> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
> >> >>
> >> >> You CAN turn it off!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Richard Urban
> >> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >> >>
> >> >> Quote from George Ankner:
> >> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:...
> >> >> > umm,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Theo,
> >> >> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
> >> >> >
> >> >> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jeff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
> >> >> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jane C wrote:
> >> >> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
> >> >> >>> Programs
> >> >> >>> because it had been there in XP?
> >> >> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
> >> >> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Although the "upgrade" is a supported method, doing so is a
bit like playing with fire - sometimes you get burned and
sometimes you don't. And, sometimes there is a smoldering
ember that eventually bursts into flames with no advance
warning.

The safest method, and by far the most recommended, it to
completely wipe out any previous installations and do a
complete installation to avoid problems that might be
incurred because of conflicts with residual software,
drivers, .dll's, etc.


Mark wrote:
> If I did an 'Upgrade' install at this point, what do you think the
> consequences would be to other applications (e.g. Office 2003, Adobe
> products, Nero 7,...)
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> Well Mark, you uninstalled a remnant from Windows XP that happens to be
>> duplicated in Vista. Therefore, you inadvertently hurt Vista. I am surprised
>> that Microsoft didn't foresee this possibility.
>>
>> A reinstall of Vista will likely be necessary at this point as there is no
>> mechanism to install Windows Defender separately.
>>
>> As your system is already hosed, why not download Defender from the
>> Microsoft website? Try to install it on Vista. It probably won't work, but
>> you have nothing to loose at this point.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> news:0468AA14-C448-4D4B-9670-...
>>> I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the
>>> programs
>>> it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.
>>>
>>> That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions
>>> that
>>> will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>>>
>>>> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a
>>>> problem.
>>>> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Richard Urban
>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>>
>>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
>>>>> True,
>>>>>
>>>>> But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender
>>>>> (I
>>>>> checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed
>>>>> as
>>>>> an
>>>>> external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
>>>>> GeekUnit).
>>>>>
>>>>> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a
>>>>>> protected
>>>>>> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
>>>>>> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You CAN turn it off!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Urban
>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>>>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>>>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> umm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Theo,
>>>>>>> Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
>>>>>>> Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Theo" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
>>>>>>>> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jane C wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
>>>>>>>>> Programs
>>>>>>>>> because it had been there in XP?
>>>>>>>>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
>>>>>>>>> Defender is inbuilt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

If you use a competent imaging program prior to trying anything, you know
you can always go back to the way the system is now.

TrueImage HOME 10.4 in compatible with Vista. It costs about $50.00

I am using it now with Vista.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Mark" <> wrote in message
news:60A711E6-3F4C-49D7-87D9-...
> If I did an 'Upgrade' install at this point, what do you think the
> consequences would be to other applications (e.g. Office 2003, Adobe
> products, Nero 7,...)
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> Well Mark, you uninstalled a remnant from Windows XP that happens to be
>> duplicated in Vista. Therefore, you inadvertently hurt Vista. I am
>> surprised
>> that Microsoft didn't foresee this possibility.
>>
>> A reinstall of Vista will likely be necessary at this point as there is
>> no
>> mechanism to install Windows Defender separately.
>>
>> As your system is already hosed, why not download Defender from the
>> Microsoft website? Try to install it on Vista. It probably won't work,
>> but
>> you have nothing to loose at this point.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> news:0468AA14-C448-4D4B-9670-...
>> >I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the
>> >programs
>> > it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.
>> >
>> > That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions
>> > that
>> > will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.
>> >
>> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a
>> >> problem.
>> >> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Richard Urban
>> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>> >>
>> >> Quote from George Ankner:
>> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Mark" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
>> >> > True,
>> >> >
>> >> > But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP
>> >> > Defender
>> >> > (I
>> >> > checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS
>> >> > listed
>> >> > as
>> >> > an
>> >> > external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
>> >> > GeekUnit).
>> >> >
>> >> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Right, it is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a
>> >> >> protected
>> >> >> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
>> >> >> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You CAN turn it off!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Richard Urban
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> >> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Quote from George Ankner:
>> >> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:...
>> >> >> > umm,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Theo,
>> >> >> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
>> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Jeff
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:...
>> >> >> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> there
>> >> >> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
>> >> >> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jane C wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
>> >> >> >>> Programs
>> >> >> >>> because it had been there in XP?
>> >> >> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista,
>> >> >> >>> as
>> >> >> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

Richard,

It will NOT work. I've tried several times. I have the same problem, in
that I had a copy of Windows Defender showing in the Programs list and
uninstalled it. Now I know HOW built-in Windows Defender is in Vista. I
should NEVER have been done this way.

Anyway, I can not re-install Windows Defender. When I attempt such the
installer program tells me Windows Defender is built-in, so it won't install
it!

Currently, I cannot turn Windows Defender on. I get this message when I try
to:

"Windows could not start the Windows Defender service on Local Computer.

Error 0x80092003: An error occurred while reading or writing to a file."

I cannot install, uninstall or turn it on. And Microsoft, in their infinite
wisdom, failed to make Windows Defender a user controlled component!


"Richard Urban" wrote:

> Try to install it on Vista. It probably won't work, but
> you have nothing to loose at this point.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> news:0468AA14-C448-4D4B-9670-...
> >I did run the upgrade advisor and I believe I dealt with all of the
> >programs
> > it advised me of. If I missed the advise on Defender, well so it goes.
> >
> > That being I still need to fix defender. If anyone has any suggestions
> > that
> > will help me move forward, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> You run the upgrade advisor from the DVD. It tells what may have a
> >> problem.
> >> Then YOU uninstall the program or drivers *before* you install Vista.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>
> >> Quote from George Ankner:
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mark" <> wrote in message
> >> news:B0FDE947-53EA-45F0-94E0-...
> >> > True,
> >> >
> >> > But the Vista upgrade from XP did not properly remove the XP Defender
> >> > (I
> >> > checked the date prior to uninstalling), as the old version WAS listed
> >> > as
> >> > an
> >> > external program that could be removed (More below under reply to
> >> > GeekUnit).
> >> >
> >> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Right, it is.
> >> >>
> >> >> But Windows Defender can not be removed (at this time). It is a
> >> >> protected
> >> >> system resource. In a pure Vista install it is not listed in Vista
> >> >> add/remove, or anywhere else for removal purposes.
> >> >>
> >> >> You CAN turn it off!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Richard Urban
> >> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >> >>
> >> >> Quote from George Ankner:
> >> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jeff" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:...
> >> >> > umm,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Theo,
> >> >> > Whats the uninstall a program window in vista all about then?
> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs and Features-classic style
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features-vista style
> >> >> >
> >> >> > seems like the add/remove in xp to me Theo.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jeff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Theo" <> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> >> But his statement about the Add/Remove Programs only makes sense if
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> happens to be one in an 'upgrade' from XP to Vista. There is no
> >> >> >> Add/Remove Programs, per say, in Vista as there is in XP.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jane C wrote:
> >> >> >>> Mark upgraded from Windows XP, so possibly it was in Add/Remove
> >> >> >>> Programs
> >> >> >>> because it had been there in XP?
> >> >> >>> It certainly does not appear there in a clean install of Vista, as
> >> >> >>> Defender is inbuilt.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>