Re: Works For Me

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:10:06 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Just to continue the issue with sound. I have been ripping my hair out
> recently trying to get multiple sound devices working.
>
> I have given up for a while. it simply does not work in too many
> cases. Too much choice. Not enough movement on bug fixing through
> developers being spread too thin. Do people STILL think choice is a
> wonderful thing?
>
> Here is the Ubuntu story (usually much better than Debian btw)
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4654083
>
> "Yes, but for some bugs, anyway, there are hundreds or thousands with
> these kinds of problems (sound, flash without sound, crash, etc etc) and
> many submit these bugs, but few are being fixed."
>
> "I'm pretty sure I've tried every solution known to man and flash sound
> still doesn't work. There has to be something I'm not doing."
>
> "hey what the **** is the ubuntu develpment team is doing now? ou yea
> they're doing 8.04 and dont give a **** about sound issues. Nobody that
> will have problems with sound will keep ubuntu."
>
> Sigh.

This is a classic reason why Linux is failing miserably as a desktop
operating system.
People just want to play music/sounds.
They want to be able to play more than one sound at once and they want the
plugins that web pages use for sound to work.

Windows has been doing this with since Windows 98 and it has been totally
transparent to the end user.

Linux, with it's myriad of sound servers STILL can't manage to make it work
properly across the 1000 or so different versions of Linux out there.

Why is this so difficult?

ALSA loaded into the default 2.6 kernel was supposed to be the end of all
this confusion but it wasn't.
New sound systems are being released all the time and none of them work
fully and perfectly with all applications.
Worse still, some of them interfere with each other causing instability and
even worse problems.
And if that wasn't bad enough the documentation for most of them is
terrible.

It's a clusterfsck and getting worse by the day.

So what is the Linux communities response to all of this?

Release even more broken distributions that is what.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

[ some stuff ]

You must be really, really afraid of Linux.

Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?

Yes, you must be very frightened.
--
These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Siemens Computers!
Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:22:45 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:10:06 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Just to continue the issue with sound. I have been ripping my hair out
>> recently trying to get multiple sound devices working.
>>
>> I have given up for a while. it simply does not work in too many cases.
>> Too much choice. Not enough movement on bug fixing through developers
>> being spread too thin. Do people STILL think choice is a wonderful
>> thing?
>>
>> Here is the Ubuntu story (usually much better than Debian btw)
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4654083
>>
>> "Yes, but for some bugs, anyway, there are hundreds or thousands with
>> these kinds of problems (sound, flash without sound, crash, etc etc)
>> and many submit these bugs, but few are being fixed."
>>
>> "I'm pretty sure I've tried every solution known to man and flash sound
>> still doesn't work. There has to be something I'm not doing."
>>
>> "hey what the **** is the ubuntu develpment team is doing now? ou yea
>> they're doing 8.04 and dont give a **** about sound issues. Nobody that
>> will have problems with sound will keep ubuntu."
>>
>> Sigh.
>
> This is a classic reason why Linux is failing miserably as a desktop
> operating system.

.... in your opinion.

> People just want to play music/sounds. They want to be able to play more
> than one sound at once and they want the plugins that web pages use for
> sound to work.

I play sounds. My system will play different sounds while receiving
streaming audio or or video.

>
> Windows has been doing this with since Windows 98 and it has been
> totally transparent to the end user.

No, Microsoft has been doing this. There is no one corporation that runs
OSS based software.

>
> Linux, with it's myriad of sound servers STILL can't manage to make it
> work properly across the 1000 or so different versions of Linux out
> there.

Name 200 distros.

>
> Why is this so difficult?
>
> ALSA loaded into the default 2.6 kernel was supposed to be the end of
> all this confusion but it wasn't.
> New sound systems are being released all the time and none of them work
> fully and perfectly with all applications. Worse still, some of them
> interfere with each other causing instability and even worse problems.
> And if that wasn't bad enough the documentation for most of them is
> terrible.
>
> It's a clusterfsck and getting worse by the day.
>
> So what is the Linux communities response to all of this?
>
> Release even more broken distributions that is what.

So what? So what if someone releases a broken distribution?

--
Rick

Rick wrote:

> So what? So what if someone releases a broken distribution?

Yeah. Like Vista's *not* broken?

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:00:25 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
> [ some stuff ]
>
> You must be really, really afraid of Linux.
>
> Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?
>
> Yes, you must be very frightened.

Afraid of Linux?
Hardly.
Actually I like Linux, it's crazy Linux zealots, especially the hypocrite
ones that I detest.

See Roy Schestowitz, Mark Kent, [Homer] and a few others for details about
what a hypocritical Linux zealot is
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On 2008-04-07, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:00:25 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> [ some stuff ]
>>
>> You must be really, really afraid of Linux.
>>
>> Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?
>>
>> Yes, you must be very frightened.
>
> Afraid of Linux?
> Hardly.
> Actually I like Linux, it's crazy Linux zealots, especially the hypocrite
> ones that I detest.

So, what kind of linux do you run? What do you do with it?

i

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:11:47 -0500, Ignoramus10392 wrote:

> On 2008-04-07, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:00:25 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>> [ some stuff ]
>>>
>>> You must be really, really afraid of Linux.
>>>
>>> Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?
>>>
>>> Yes, you must be very frightened.
>>
>> Afraid of Linux?
>> Hardly.
>> Actually I like Linux, it's crazy Linux zealots, especially the hypocrite
>> ones that I detest.
>
> So, what kind of linux do you run? What do you do with it?
>
> i

I run 2 systems with PCLinuxOS.
One is the family PC and the other is my test system.

The family PC is used for just about everything.
The test system is used to expose false claims made by the Lino loons.

Sometimes I have Ubuntu on the test system and I have tried some other
distributions as well like DSL, Puppy and Mint.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:00:25 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> [ some stuff ]
>>
>> You must be really, really afraid of Linux.
>>
>> Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?
>>
>> Yes, you must be very frightened.
>
> Afraid of Linux?
> Hardly.

Then why do you need to post these rantings again and again?
You sound afraid.

--
These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Siemens Computers!
Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett)
Company Details: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/imprint.html

On 2008-04-07, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:11:47 -0500, Ignoramus10392 wrote:
>
>> On 2008-04-07, Moshe Goldfarb <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:00:25 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [ some stuff ]
>>>>
>>>> You must be really, really afraid of Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you afraid of an OS which, as you claim, sits at 0.6% or less?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you must be very frightened.
>>>
>>> Afraid of Linux?
>>> Hardly.
>>> Actually I like Linux, it's crazy Linux zealots, especially the hypocrite
>>> ones that I detest.
>>
>> So, what kind of linux do you run? What do you do with it?
>>
>> i
>
> I run 2 systems with PCLinuxOS.
> One is the family PC and the other is my test system.
>
> The family PC is used for just about everything.
> The test system is used to expose false claims made by the Lino loons.
>
> Sometimes I have Ubuntu on the test system and I have tried some other
> distributions as well like DSL, Puppy and Mint.
>
>

Very nice. I am going to soon set up a server for friends and
relatives, who are nice people, but who may become compromised (so
that their password would be misused to log on to their account here
without authorization). I want that compsomise to be confined to that
junk server.

i

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
> Afraid of Linux?
> Hardly.
> Actually I like Linux, it's crazy Linux zealots, especially the
> hypocrite ones that I detest.
>
> See Roy Schestowitz, Mark Kent, [Homer] and a few others for details
> about what a hypocritical Linux zealot is

This may help:

1. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with hypocrisy; the sign that says
"This way to Chicago" doesn't actually GO to Chicago itself (thereby
demonstrating more intelligence than those that follow its advice). Also,
85% of gynecologists are men.

2. Linux serves a very useful purpose. It drains away most of the
malcontents, the nay-sayers, the nit-pickers, pokenoses, and cut-purses, so
the rest of us can have a better computing experience. It's like Bingo Night
and your mother-in-law.