Read messages marked unread

I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages that
I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
messages.

For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00 yesterday.
Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can happen
with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.

Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion that
it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else I
have spoken to has seen this behaviour.

It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.

Hi, Lee.

Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.

That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before
closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including marking those
messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but it
does this in the background so as to not interfere with today's agenda. It
might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets around to
sorting them. (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose track of some
of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to delete them
manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in the Messages list
and we did get a chance to read them there.)

It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its background
processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the night, I usually spend a
few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before closing WLM. First I
make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that smaller window that shows
messages being downloaded from each Mail and News account and newsgroup) is
no longer busy and then close the main WLM window.

But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will still
be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected reboots, and I probably
will find Recovered items after those events, too.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
> that
> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
> messages.
>
> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
> yesterday.
> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
> happen
> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>
> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
> that
> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else I
> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>
> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.

"Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
> that
> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
> messages.
>
> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
> yesterday.
> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
> happen
> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>
> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
> that
> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else I
> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>
> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.

Another responder has given one possibility and it is a good one. Another is
that the server from which you receive your newsgroup messages has done some
"maintenance" and has messed with the message numbers. This happened to me
on several occasions with a previous ISP. I had to reset the
newsgroups....what a pain that was.

Thanks R.C.

That explains why the date and time of recovered items corresponds with the
launch time of WLMail, not when it was last shut down.

Does this mean that when the bolding is removed from the message list WLM
still has more work to do before the news server knows not to send again?

I don't think I've ever seen WLM's "progress window". Is there a way to
make it visible?


"R. C. White" <> wrote in message
news:#...
> Hi, Lee.
>
> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>
> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before
> closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including marking those
> messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but it
> does this in the background so as to not interfere with today's agenda.
> It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets around to
> sorting them. (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose track of
> some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to delete them
> manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in the Messages
> list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>
> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its
> background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the night, I
> usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before closing
> WLM. First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that smaller window
> that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and News account and
> newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main WLM window.
>
> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will
> still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected reboots, and I
> probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>
> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
>> that
>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>> messages.
>>
>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
>> yesterday.
>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
>> happen
>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>
>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
>> that
>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else
>> I
>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>
>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>

Thanks for answering Bogey Man.

It crossed my mind that my ISP was somehow messing with message properties
but I see this happening with more than one server so I guess I must
exonerate them.

I don't find it too much of a pain to reset the newsgroup - work offline -
open group - sort by time - mark everything read up to when I last looked -
work online - sync group.

Now looking at it written out maybe it is a pain after all.

"Bogey Man" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
>> that
>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>> messages.
>>
>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
>> yesterday.
>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
>> happen
>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>
>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
>> that
>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else
>> I
>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>
>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>
> Another responder has given one possibility and it is a good one. Another
> is that the server from which you receive your newsgroup messages has done
> some "maintenance" and has messed with the message numbers. This happened
> to me on several occasions with a previous ISP. I had to reset the
> newsgroups....what a pain that was.

Further to R.C.'s useful reply:

I've been trying to catch WLM red-handed but, no matter ill-timed I try to
make the shut down, I see nothing in recovered items.

Looks like the program needs to sleep overnight before trying to turn back
time the next day.

"R. C. White" <> wrote in message
news:#...
> Hi, Lee.
>
> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>
> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before
> closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including marking those
> messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but it
> does this in the background so as to not interfere with today's agenda.
> It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets around to
> sorting them. (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose track of
> some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to delete them
> manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in the Messages
> list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>
> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its
> background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the night, I
> usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before closing
> WLM. First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that smaller window
> that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and News account and
> newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main WLM window.
>
> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will
> still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected reboots, and I
> probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>
> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
>> that
>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>> messages.
>>
>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
>> yesterday.
>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
>> happen
>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>
>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
>> that
>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else
>> I
>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>
>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>

The progress window is only visible if
a. Sync is pressed a second time prior to completion of send/receive process
b. One clicks on the icon in the status bar(lower rt of WLM) prior to the completion of send/receive process or while the 'No New
Message' icon remains(briefly) in the status bar.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Lee Antony" <> wrote in message news:#...
> Thanks R.C.
>
> That explains why the date and time of recovered items corresponds with the launch time of WLMail, not when it was last shut
> down.
>
> Does this mean that when the bolding is removed from the message list WLM still has more work to do before the news server knows
> not to send again?
>
> I don't think I've ever seen WLM's "progress window". Is there a way to make it visible?
>
>
> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:#...
>> Hi, Lee.
>>
>> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>>
>> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including
>> marking those messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but it does this in the background so as to not
>> interfere with today's agenda. It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets around to sorting them.
>> (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose track of some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to delete
>> them manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in the Messages list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>>
>> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the
>> night, I usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before closing WLM. First I make sure that WLM's "progress
>> window" (that smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and News account and newsgroup) is no longer
>> busy and then close the main WLM window.
>>
>> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected
>> reboots, and I probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>>
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>
>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message news:...
>>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages that
>>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00 yesterday.
>>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can happen
>>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>>
>>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion that
>>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else I
>>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>>
>>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>>

Dear ...winston, if I am understanding you correctly the progress window is
a transient thing that can be made visible only when send/receive is
happening.

R. C. White says "First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that
smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and News
account and newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main WLM
window".

Doesn't the status bar show if send/receive is going on? If the status bar
says nothing doing how can I check the progress window to see if it is safe
to close WLMail?

Increasingly confused,
Regards
Lee Antony.


"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The progress window is only visible if
> a. Sync is pressed a second time prior to completion of send/receive
> process
> b. One clicks on the icon in the status bar(lower rt of WLM) prior to the
> completion of send/receive process or while the 'No New Message' icon
> remains(briefly) in the status bar.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> Thanks R.C.
>>
>> That explains why the date and time of recovered items corresponds with
>> the launch time of WLMail, not when it was last shut down.
>>
>> Does this mean that when the bolding is removed from the message list WLM
>> still has more work to do before the news server knows not to send again?
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen WLM's "progress window". Is there a way to
>> make it visible?
>>
>>
>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>> news:#...
>>> Hi, Lee.
>>>
>>> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>>>
>>> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before
>>> closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including marking those
>>> messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but
>>> it does this in the background so as to not interfere with today's
>>> agenda. It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets
>>> around to sorting them. (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose
>>> track of some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to
>>> delete them manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in
>>> the Messages list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>>>
>>> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its
>>> background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the night, I
>>> usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before
>>> closing WLM. First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that
>>> smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and
>>> News account and newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main
>>> WLM window.
>>>
>>> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will
>>> still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected reboots, and I
>>> probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>>
>>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
>>>> that
>>>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>>>> messages.
>>>>
>>>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
>>>> yesterday.
>>>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
>>>> happen
>>>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion
>>>> that
>>>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one
>>>> else I
>>>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>>>

Oh darn, sixteen minutes after this was sent it turns up in recovered items.
How can we tell when it is safe to shut down WLMail?

Perhaps WLM was designed never to be shut down. I will leave it open when
the pc is next switched off to see if it cleans up after itself.

"Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Dear ...winston, if I am understanding you correctly the progress window
> is a transient thing that can be made visible only when send/receive is
> happening.
>
> R. C. White says "First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that
> smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and
> News account and newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main WLM
> window".
>
> Doesn't the status bar show if send/receive is going on? If the status
> bar says nothing doing how can I check the progress window to see if it is
> safe to close WLMail?
>
> Increasingly confused,
> Regards
> Lee Antony.
>
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> The progress window is only visible if
>> a. Sync is pressed a second time prior to completion of send/receive
>> process
>> b. One clicks on the icon in the status bar(lower rt of WLM) prior to the
>> completion of send/receive process or while the 'No New Message' icon
>> remains(briefly) in the status bar.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
>> news:#...
>>> Thanks R.C.
>>>
>>> That explains why the date and time of recovered items corresponds with
>>> the launch time of WLMail, not when it was last shut down.
>>>
>>> Does this mean that when the bolding is removed from the message list
>>> WLM still has more work to do before the news server knows not to send
>>> again?
>>>
>>> I don't think I've ever seen WLM's "progress window". Is there a way to
>>> make it visible?
>>>
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>>> news:#...
>>>> Hi, Lee.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>>>>
>>>> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before
>>>> closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including marking those
>>>> messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but
>>>> it does this in the background so as to not interfere with today's
>>>> agenda. It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets
>>>> around to sorting them. (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose
>>>> track of some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to
>>>> delete them manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in
>>>> the Messages list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>>>>
>>>> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its
>>>> background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the night, I
>>>> usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before
>>>> closing WLM. First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that
>>>> smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and
>>>> News account and newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main
>>>> WLM window.
>>>>
>>>> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will
>>>> still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected reboots, and I
>>>> probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>> --
>>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>>>
>>>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages
>>>>> that
>>>>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>>>>> messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00
>>>>> yesterday.
>>>>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can
>>>>> happen
>>>>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a
>>>>> suspicion that
>>>>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one
>>>>> else I
>>>>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be
>>>>> grateful.
>>>>

Two different subjects..
You asked how to see the progress window(I answered how to see)
RC suggested to not exit until the progress was finished.

The status bar is the solid horizontal(blue on this pc) border at the bottom of WLM(WLM Menu/View/Status Bar)...it is not the
'Progress Window'

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Lee Antony" <> wrote in message news:...
> Dear ...winston, if I am understanding you correctly the progress window is a transient thing that can be made visible only when
> send/receive is happening.
>
> R. C. White says "First I make sure that WLM's "progress window" (that smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from
> each Mail and News account and newsgroup) is no longer busy and then close the main WLM window".
>
> Doesn't the status bar show if send/receive is going on? If the status bar says nothing doing how can I check the progress
> window to see if it is safe to close WLMail?
>
> Increasingly confused,
> Regards
> Lee Antony.
>
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message news:...
>> The progress window is only visible if
>> a. Sync is pressed a second time prior to completion of send/receive process
>> b. One clicks on the icon in the status bar(lower rt of WLM) prior to the completion of send/receive process or while the 'No
>> New Message' icon remains(briefly) in the status bar.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message news:#...
>>> Thanks R.C.
>>>
>>> That explains why the date and time of recovered items corresponds with the launch time of WLMail, not when it was last shut
>>> down.
>>>
>>> Does this mean that when the bolding is removed from the message list WLM still has more work to do before the news server
>>> knows not to send again?
>>>
>>> I don't think I've ever seen WLM's "progress window". Is there a way to make it visible?
>>>
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:#...
>>>> Hi, Lee.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I've seen this many times, and others have reported it here.
>>>>
>>>> That happens when WLM doesn't have time to "put away its toys" before closing. It doesn't complete all its tasks, including
>>>> marking those messages "Read". So, when WLM is restarted, it tries to catch up, but it does this in the background so as to
>>>> not interfere with today's agenda. It might put those messages into Recovered items until it gets around to sorting them.
>>>> (Sometimes a later glitch will cause it to lose track of some of those Recovered items and we will eventually have to delete
>>>> them manually - after verifying that, yes, they did show up in the Messages list and we did get a chance to read them there.)
>>>>
>>>> It's not always easy to tell when WLM is really finished with its background processing. When I'm ready to shut down for the
>>>> night, I usually spend a few minutes doing other things (Solitaire?) before closing WLM. First I make sure that WLM's
>>>> "progress window" (that smaller window that shows messages being downloaded from each Mail and News account and newsgroup) is
>>>> no longer busy and then close the main WLM window.
>>>>
>>>> But no matter how careful I am with normal exits from WLM, there will still be occasional abnormal exits, such as unexpected
>>>> reboots, and I probably will find Recovered items after those events, too.
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>> --
>>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>>>
>>>> "Lee Antony" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>>> I have Windows 7 and WLMail. Sometimes I find that newsgroup messages that
>>>>> I have read show up as unread again when I go back to retrieve more
>>>>> messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example I read all the new messages in this group up to 20:00 yesterday.
>>>>> Today at 13:30 forty of those messages are shown as unread. This can happen
>>>>> with other newsgroups not just those on microsoft.public.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes several days pass without this happening. I have a suspicion that
>>>>> it may coincide with messages appearing in recovered items. No one else I
>>>>> have spoken to has seen this behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a great annoyance but if anyone has a fix I would be grateful.
>>>>