Reasons for a Recovery Partition

1. Cheaper for the OEM
2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
Micro$lut to get Windows working again. WPA and WGA serve the same
purpose for Micro$lut.

Alias

Alias wrote:
> 1. Cheaper for the OEM

True.

> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
> Micro$lut to get Windows working again.


A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
the computer manufacturer.


> WPA and WGA serve the same
> purpose for Micro$lut.
>


Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.


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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>
> True.
>
>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money
>> to Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>
>
> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
> installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
> the computer manufacturer.

Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
Windows?

>
>
>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>
>
>
> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
> Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
> and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.

Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new copy.

Alias
>
>

"Alias" <> wrote in message
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> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>>
>> True.
>>
>>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
>>> Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>>
>>
>> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
>> installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
>> the computer manufacturer.
>
> Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying that
> Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of Windows?
>
>>
>>
>>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
>> Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
>> and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>
> Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new copy.
>
> Alias
>>


OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
CD's..

The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all devices
in the computer to work..


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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:gq5oim$t52$...
>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money
>>>> to Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>>>
>>>
>>> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support
>>> OEM installations. The user would have to purchase installation
>>> media from the computer manufacturer.
>>
>> Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
>> that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
>> Windows?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue
>>> for Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an
>>> illicit copy and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>>
>> Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new copy.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>
>
> OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
> CD's..

No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
including trial software.

>
> The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all
> devices in the computer to work..

I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.

Alias

There he goes again - complaining that he can't steal Vista. Poor baby!

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"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
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> Alias wrote:
>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>
> True.
>
>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
>> Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>
>
> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
> installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
> the computer manufacturer.
>
>
>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>
>
>
> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
> Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
> and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>
>
> --
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> Bruce Chambers
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>
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"Alias" <> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>> news:gq5oim$t52$...
>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>>>>
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money
>>>>> to Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
>>>> installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
>>>> the computer manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
>>> that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
>>> Windows?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
>>>> Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit
>>>> copy and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>>>
>>> Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new
>>> copy.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>
>>
>> OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
>> CD's..
>
> No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
> including trial software.
>
>>
>> The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all
>> devices in the computer to work..
>
> I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.
>
> Alias


Yes, we all remember OEMs sending out CDs, but the users tended to lose
them, so they took the recovery partition route..

Another reason for the recovery partition is that each one is pertinent to
just ONE model, and it saves the company having to keep thousands of old
recovery sets..


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Richard Urban wrote:
> There he goes again - complaining that he can't steal Vista. Poor baby!
>

And what makes you think that one, I want to steal Vista and two, why
the **** would I want to **** up a good machine with Vista?

That said, I have Vista Ultimate gathering dust on the shelf.

Got any more lies you want to spew in your desperate effort to avoid the
issues, Mr MVP?

Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:gq5pmr$4ne$...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>>> news:gq5oim$t52$...
>>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more
>>>>>> money to Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support
>>>>> OEM installations. The user would have to purchase installation
>>>>> media from the computer manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>> Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
>>>> that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
>>>> Windows?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue
>>>>> for Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an
>>>>> illicit copy and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>>>>
>>>> Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new
>>>> copy.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than
>>> loose CD's..
>>
>> No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
>> including trial software.
>>
>>>
>>> The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all
>>> devices in the computer to work..
>>
>> I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Yes, we all remember OEMs sending out CDs, but the users tended to lose
> them, so they took the recovery partition route..

Not because they are concerned about users, that's for sure. Hard drive
goes south and so does the recovery partition.

>
> Another reason for the recovery partition is that each one is pertinent
> to just ONE model, and it saves the company having to keep thousands of
> old recovery sets..

Yes, one can order one if one wants to. I wonder where they come from,
your ASS?

Alias.
>
>

"Cat-In-A-Flat" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>> news:gq5pmr$4ne$...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:gq5oim$t52$...
>>>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> 1. Cheaper for the OEM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money
>>>>>>> to Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support
>>>>>> OEM installations. The user would have to purchase installation
>>>>>> media from the computer manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
>>>>> that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WPA and WGA serve the same purpose for Micro$lut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue
>>>>>> for Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an
>>>>>> illicit copy and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new
>>>>> copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
>>>> CD's..
>>>
>>> No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
>>> including trial software.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all
>>>> devices in the computer to work..
>>>
>>> I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Yes, we all remember OEMs sending out CDs, but the users tended to lose
>> them, so they took the recovery partition route..
>>
>> Another reason for the recovery partition is that each one is pertinent
>> to just ONE model, and it saves the company having to keep thousands of
>> old recovery sets..
>>
>>
>
> Find that hard to believe, that OEM's were concerned about misplaced CD's.
> Dell, for one, would charge you $20(or 10) for the CD/DVD...so it seems
> more about saving money(and making a little extra).
> They want you to restore their "crapware edition", not a clean install.
> That's the real reason.
>
> They can ship the OS DVD...the drivers can either be on a recovery CD, or
> thru a website.
>
> A recovery partition located on a hard drive makes no sense...if the drive
> fails.
> Or if the user totally borks the drive.
>
> Users should insist on the install disk...plain and simple...or buy
> elsewhere.
> Then recovery partitions will go away.
>
> Plus, you paid for a 500GB harddrive...you should get it all.


Misplaced CD's were a huge problem.. some users were asking for replacements
which related to hardware not made in three or four years. Even now, you see
posts relating to lost CD's..

Most OEMs have a facility for the user to create a recovery set. How many
users do you think take the time to do that?

Most use their computers, filling them up with crap to the point where they
have to delete the recovery partition in order to save more. And backups?
What backups?

Backups are also pertinent when a drive fails. What backups? Excuses follow
like "I didn't have any DVDs at the time"

re what you pay for.. the system has a 500gb drive which does not format to
500gb so a part is lost anyway, a bigger part than that taken up by any
recovery partition.

Drivers on a CD supplied by the OEM? The pet rabbit ate them.. I have moved
house twice and they were lost on route.. Some manage drivers from websites
ok.. others haven't got the first clue..

A recovery partition gets over 99% of the above, and is why the exist, and
yes, it probably does save a few cents on every PC purchased.. big deal, eh


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