Recycle Bin - User access denied

Vista Home Premium SP1

I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a "user
access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What setting do I have
screwed up?

In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows Explorer
looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings. Now when I look
at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all the shortcuts. This is a
great puzzlement!

Using an admin account and trying to delete/personal files in
someone's standard user account want be allowed and it makes since to
me. If I was a standard user and had deleted to the recycle bin and
later remember I should not have deleted because now I need the file.
But admin comes along and starts deleting my stuff. (personal files
is keyword). Of course if you logon to standard user account you can
delete peraonal files.
That being said, it may be possible to do that using disk clean up
*All Users* from an admin account . But I would leave it up to each
user to decide for them selves.

H Brown


"BudV" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Vista Home Premium SP1
>
> I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a
> "user access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What
> setting do I have screwed up?
>
> In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows
> Explorer looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings.
> Now when I look at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all
> the shortcuts. This is a great puzzlement!
>

Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9 and
7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to HP
shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several other
shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy thing is
that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer

"H Brown" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Using an admin account and trying to delete/personal files in someone's
> standard user account want be allowed and it makes since to me. If I was
> a standard user and had deleted to the recycle bin and later remember I
> should not have deleted because now I need the file. But admin comes along
> and starts deleting my stuff. (personal files is keyword). Of course if
> you logon to standard user account you can delete peraonal files.
> That being said, it may be possible to do that using disk clean up *All
> Users* from an admin account . But I would leave it up to each user to
> decide for them selves.
>
> H Brown
>
>
> "BudV" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Vista Home Premium SP1
>>
>> I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a "user
>> access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What setting do I have
>> screwed up?
>>
>> In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows Explorer
>> looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings. Now when I look
>> at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all the shortcuts. This is
>> a great puzzlement!
>>
>

My advise until I know more about how you have setup your system as to
who has user accounts and type of account , logon to each user
account and delete what you feel you need to.
Your system will have to be setup so you can control who gets what in
each user account. You will need to post which Vista operating system
you are using including the service pack (Sp1 or what). I feel you
can accomplish what you wish using Parental Controls, but that all
depends on how you have things setup now. So give some details and
I'm sure someone can help get things to your liking.

H Brown
"BudV" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete
> picture.
> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages
> 9 and 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated
> shortcuts to HP shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops.
> There are several other shorcuts that I really don't want the kids
> to be taking. The crazy thing is that these shortcuts don't appear
> under Wndows Explorer
>
> "H Brown" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Using an admin account and trying to delete/personal files in
>> someone's standard user account want be allowed and it makes since
>> to me. If I was a standard user and had deleted to the recycle bin
>> and later remember I should not have deleted because now I need the
>> file. But admin comes along and starts deleting my stuff.
>> (personal files is keyword). Of course if you logon to standard
>> user account you can delete peraonal files.
>> That being said, it may be possible to do that using disk clean up
>> *All Users* from an admin account . But I would leave it up to each
>> user to decide for them selves.
>>
>> H Brown
>>
>>
>> "BudV" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Vista Home Premium SP1
>>>
>>> I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a
>>> "user access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What
>>> setting do I have screwed up?
>>>
>>> In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows
>>> Explorer looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings.
>>> Now when I look at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all
>>> the shortcuts. This is a great puzzlement!
>>>
>>
>
>

Sorry. I'm running Vista Home Premium SP1.

Once more, your analysis seems to be directed to a much higher level of
sophistication than what I'm concerned about.

WinXP has a folder under Documents and Settings called All Users, and
software installation packages like to put their desktop shortcuts there. I
don't see an All Users folder in Vista, but the shortcuts still manage to
get inserted freely among all users, including my grandkids. All I want to
do is to clean these miscellaneous distractions off of the kids' desktops,
for reasons that should be obvious.

Regarding logging on to each user: I have done that as well, with no
success. It still shows User Access Denied when I move a shortcut to the
Recyce Bin. Thee's something deep inside the bowels of Vista that needs
tweaking that I don't know about.

H Brown" <> wrote in message
news:...
> My advise until I know more about how you have setup your system as to who
> has user accounts and type of account , logon to each user account and
> delete what you feel you need to.
> Your system will have to be setup so you can control who gets what in each
> user account. You will need to post which Vista operating system you are
> using including the service pack (Sp1 or what). I feel you can accomplish
> what you wish using Parental Controls, but that all depends on how you
> have things setup now. So give some details and I'm sure someone can help
> get things to your liking.
>
> H Brown
> "BudV" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
>> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9
>> and 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to
>> HP shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several
>> other shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy
>> thing is that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
>>
>> "H Brown" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Using an admin account and trying to delete/personal files in someone's
>>> standard user account want be allowed and it makes since to me. If I
>>> was a standard user and had deleted to the recycle bin and later
>>> remember I should not have deleted because now I need the file. But
>>> admin comes along and starts deleting my stuff. (personal files is
>>> keyword). Of course if you logon to standard user account you can
>>> delete peraonal files.
>>> That being said, it may be possible to do that using disk clean up *All
>>> Users* from an admin account . But I would leave it up to each user to
>>> decide for them selves.
>>>
>>> H Brown
>>>
>>>
>>> "BudV" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Vista Home Premium SP1
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a
>>>> "user access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What setting
>>>> do I have screwed up?
>>>>
>>>> In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows
>>>> Explorer looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings. Now
>>>> when I look at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all the
>>>> shortcuts. This is a great puzzlement!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

net said, in <uXNJCQxtJHA.2776
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>
> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9 and
> 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to HP
> shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several other
> shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy thing is
> that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
>


Sounds to me as if the shortcuts you're talking about are 'All User'
sortuts on the desktop or in the programs listing.
If you look in the folder C:\Users\Public\...... - are they there??
If so, then MOVE them (don't delete them, or you won't see them
yourself!) to your own account.

HTH

--
Noel Paton
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

"Noel Paton" <noeldp/spamless/@crashfixpc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:...
> net said, in <uXNJCQxtJHA.2776
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
>> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9
>> and
>> 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to HP
>> shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several
>> other
>> shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy thing
>> is
>> that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
>>
>
>
> Sounds to me as if the shortcuts you're talking about are 'All User'
> sortuts on the desktop or in the programs listing.
> If you look in the folder C:\Users\Public\...... - are they there??
> If so, then MOVE them (don't delete them, or you won't see them
> yourself!) to your own account.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Noel Paton
> www.crashfixpc.co.uk
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

I don't know how to ask this without sounding offensive, so please don't be
offended.
Are you maing this suggestion because you KNOW (and I'm missing something)
or is it just your best guess?

The Public stuff has to do with sharing across a network and is not
analagous to All Users. For that reason, "Desktops" does not even appear in
the Public folders -- it just doesn't fit.

just skulking here...
c:\users\public\public desktop exists here with the shared desktop
shortcuts. (Public Desktop, not Desktop )
(Vista home premium sp1)
Michael


"BudV" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Noel Paton" <noeldp/spamless/@crashfixpc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:...
>> net said, in <uXNJCQxtJHA.2776
>> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
>>> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9
>>> and
>>> 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to HP
>>> shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several
>>> other
>>> shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy
>>> thing is
>>> that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds to me as if the shortcuts you're talking about are 'All User'
>> sortuts on the desktop or in the programs listing.
>> If you look in the folder C:\Users\Public\...... - are they there??
>> If so, then MOVE them (don't delete them, or you won't see them
>> yourself!) to your own account.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton
>> www.crashfixpc.co.uk
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>
> I don't know how to ask this without sounding offensive, so please don't
> be offended.
> Are you maing this suggestion because you KNOW (and I'm missing something)
> or is it just your best guess?
>
> The Public stuff has to do with sharing across a network and is not
> analagous to All Users. For that reason, "Desktops" does not even appear
> in the Public folders -- it just doesn't fit.
>

Here's what I would do.

1. The easy way

Log on to the user where you want to have the shortcuts.

Right click on the orb and click on Open all users.

Right click on the orb again and click on Open.

Open the Programs folder on both windows.

Try dragging a shortcut for a program that you *don't* want in All users
FROM the All users programs folder TO the Programs folder in the other
window.

2. The hard way

The above should work, unless UAC or permissions get in the way.

The variant in that case is to log on as the REAL administrator and open
the same two folders and do the same thing.

The major problem with that last idea is that I have no idea where to find
the Start Menu for the desired user.

Oh - here we go: "C:\Users\<Preferred Login
Name>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs"

3. Good luck.

On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:31:21 -0500, BudV wrote:

> Sorry. I'm running Vista Home Premium SP1.
>
> Once more, your analysis seems to be directed to a much higher level of
> sophistication than what I'm concerned about.
>
> WinXP has a folder under Documents and Settings called All Users, and
> software installation packages like to put their desktop shortcuts there. I
> don't see an All Users folder in Vista, but the shortcuts still manage to
> get inserted freely among all users, including my grandkids. All I want to
> do is to clean these miscellaneous distractions off of the kids' desktops,
> for reasons that should be obvious.
>
> Regarding logging on to each user: I have done that as well, with no
> success. It still shows User Access Denied when I move a shortcut to the
> Recyce Bin. Thee's something deep inside the bowels of Vista that needs
> tweaking that I don't know about.
>
> H Brown" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> My advise until I know more about how you have setup your system as to who
>> has user accounts and type of account , logon to each user account and
>> delete what you feel you need to.
>> Your system will have to be setup so you can control who gets what in each
>> user account. You will need to post which Vista operating system you are
>> using including the service pack (Sp1 or what). I feel you can accomplish
>> what you wish using Parental Controls, but that all depends on how you
>> have things setup now. So give some details and I'm sure someone can help
>> get things to your liking.
>>
>> H Brown
>> "BudV" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
>>> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9
>>> and 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to
>>> HP shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several
>>> other shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy
>>> thing is that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
>>>
>>> "H Brown" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Using an admin account and trying to delete/personal files in someone's
>>>> standard user account want be allowed and it makes since to me. If I
>>>> was a standard user and had deleted to the recycle bin and later
>>>> remember I should not have deleted because now I need the file. But
>>>> admin comes along and starts deleting my stuff. (personal files is
>>>> keyword). Of course if you logon to standard user account you can
>>>> delete peraonal files.
>>>> That being said, it may be possible to do that using disk clean up *All
>>>> Users* from an admin account . But I would leave it up to each user to
>>>> decide for them selves.
>>>>
>>>> H Brown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "BudV" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Vista Home Premium SP1
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to clean up the desktop of a standard user, and I get a
>>>>> "user access denied" when I move it to the Recycle Bin. What setting
>>>>> do I have screwed up?
>>>>>
>>>>> In XP I could manipulate Desktop shortcuts around with Wijndows
>>>>> Explorer looking at all the desktops under Documents and Settings. Now
>>>>> when I look at the desktops as Administrator, I don't see all the
>>>>> shortcuts. This is a great puzzlement!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

net said, in <uV0a548tJHA.5684
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>
> "Noel Paton" <noeldp/spamless/@crashfixpc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:...
> > net said, in <uXNJCQxtJHA.2776
> > @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts, but I failed to give you the complete picture.
> >> The standard accounts in this case are two of my grandchildren, ages 9
> >> and
> >> 7. Among other things, insalling the printer generated shortcuts to HP
> >> shopping,and HP Solution center on their desktops. There are several
> >> other
> >> shorcuts that I really don't want the kids to be taking. The crazy thing
> >> is
> >> that these shortcuts don't appear under Wndows Explorer
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sounds to me as if the shortcuts you're talking about are 'All User'
> > sortuts on the desktop or in the programs listing.
> > If you look in the folder C:\Users\Public\...... - are they there??
> > If so, then MOVE them (don't delete them, or you won't see them
> > yourself!) to your own account.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > Noel Paton
> > www.crashfixpc.co.uk
> >
> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>
> I don't know how to ask this without sounding offensive, so please don't be
> offended.
> Are you maing this suggestion because you KNOW (and I'm missing something)
> or is it just your best guess?
>
> The Public stuff has to do with sharing across a network and is not
> analagous to All Users. For that reason, "Desktops" does not even appear in
> the Public folders -- it just doesn't fit.

Public Desktop is a Hidden folder - you'll need to enable viewing of it
in Options
On my system it contains the links to my mobile modem software, my AV,
and such like.
some of the other links are harder to find... look in the Roaming folder
in the user account for some, and in the Start Menu folder in \Windows
for others.

HTH


--
Noel Paton
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi