Registry Cleaning?

you're still barking up my tree

however your record is not very
good with me because you don't
know how to do your homework.

you really don't have an argument
against my rationale for keeping the
registry tuned up.

instead argue with the handful
of software developers at
microsoft.

you can start by bulleting the
issues found here:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm

then you can protest the use
of the registry cleaner that is
utilized here:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/whatsnew.htm

then let us know if microsoft
agrees with you and I'll be happy
to change my tune.


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"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
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> db wrote:
>> by removing orphaned keys from
>> the registry,
>>
>> the file size of the registry will be
>> reduced
>>
>
> By a few meaningless kilobytes...
>
>> a reduction of file size has a number
>> of benefits.
>>
>
>
> Name one. Provide scientific evidence to support this assertion. (We
> know you can't, because you've been asked before, and have always failed
> to even make an attempt.)
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the operating system is one giant
database

and we are sure that you maintain
your file and disk system like every
one else.

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also, the registry is a database and
not just a look up table.

the o.s. reads and writes to it
constantly.

so it is unclear what you got the
erroneous notion, as it didn't
come from microsoft.

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the conclusion is that
database's need to be maintained.

bad registry keys and orphaned
registry keys and keys pointing
to malware

is like having bad entries in your
credit report/database.

surely, you don't think that your
credit report is merely a look up
table.


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"Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss" <> wrote in message
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> "db" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> by removing orphaned keys from
>> the registry,
>>
>> the file size of the registry will be
>> reduced
>>
>> a reduction of file size has a number
>> of benefits.
>>
>
> Very few. The registry is a lookup table. Your system will not be
> affected by removing a few entries in this table.
> Give it a rest.
>
>> --------------
>>
>> ultimately, do not utilize registry
>> cleaners that have not been recommended
>> by users in this newsgroups.
>>
>> many of them are not up to date
>> and some of them are spywares
>> in disguise.
>>
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>>
>> "Artreid" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I am reading in this NG and all over the internet that cleaning the
>>> registry is a no, no. I am also informed that the registry can/does get
>>> all messed up/cluttered with all sorts of stuff, from removed programs,
>>> old pointers, etc, over time.
>>>
>>> So what/how do you fix this if you shouldn't use a registry cleaner???
>>>
>>>
>>>

oh pleazzzze,

most of us have more experience
than you brag to have and we
know exactly what we do and
why we do it.


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"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
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> Jon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The anti-registry cleaner crowd are essentially non-programmers.
>>
>
>
> True. Instead, we are, for the most part, highly experienced (20+ years,
> in my case, going on 15 years with registry-based operating systems)
> technicians, many of us professionals, who know that all too many
> "programmers" are some of the most technically clueless people extant.
> All a lot of them do is kludge together (copy & paste) modules and
> sub-routines that others have written. I know. I've had to repair their
> computers' operating systems often enough. (Yes there are good
> programmers out there, but they seem to be in the minority, sadly.)
>
>
>> They do not comprehend the fact that when an application starts up and
>> reads entries from the registry, that this takes TIME.
>>
>
>
> /Au contraire/, we realized perfectly well that each application will have
> to take a few nanoseconds to read the few pertinent registry entries.
> This time, however, is meaningless to humans, and remains exactly the same
> whether or not the registry contains extraneous entries, or whether or not
> a registry "cleaner" has been used.
>
>
>> They do not comprehend the fact that reading 6000 entries at application
>> startup will take longer than reading 20.
>>
>
>
> But we do understand that the registry is an indexed database, and that no
> application reads any significant portion of the registry on startup.
> Instead, they read exactly those, and only those, entries that they need.
>
>
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:40:56 -0500, "Artreid"
<> wrote:

> I am reading in this NG and all over the internet that cleaning the
> registry is a no, no. I am also informed that the registry can/does get all
> messed up/cluttered with all sorts of stuff, from removed programs, old
> pointers, etc, over time.
>
> So what/how do you fix this if you shouldn't use a registry cleaner???



You don't (or at least shouldn't) fix it. First, note that it doesn't
get "*all* messed up/cluttered," it gets only slightly cluttered, and
not messed up at all. Having the few unused entries doesn't hurt you,

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:27:55 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:

> "ray" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:02:40 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>
>>> "Death" <-x> wrote in message
>>> news:4b10139d$...
>>>> Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:19:47 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:40:56 -0500, Artreid wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am reading in this NG and all over the internet that cleaning
>>>>>>>>> the registry is a no, no. I am also informed that the registry
>>>>>>>>> can/does get all messed up/cluttered with all sorts of stuff,
>>>>>>>>> from removed programs, old pointers, etc, over time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what/how do you fix this if you shouldn't use a registry
>>>>>>>>> cleaner???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see two rather obvious solutions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) reinstall
>>>>>>>> 2) switch to Linux (no registry)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your number 2 is completely worthless. Why would someone ditch
>>>>>>> Windows for that crappy Ubuntu that nobody wants? You must be an
>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must be an idiot - I didn't say one word about Ubuntu - that was
>>>>>> your 'leap of faith'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux/Ubuntu - Same crap different package.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, like Vista/Win7 - Same crap different package.
>>>>
>>> Not at all. I guess you haven't used Windows 7. I am using Windows 7
>>> and it's solid.
>>
>> Ah - so you're telling us vista isn't?
>
> Windows 7 is a rewrite of most of the major components. The look and
> feel are the same and that's about it.

Uh-huh. And you also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

db wrote:
>
>
> you can start by bulleting the
> issues found here:
>
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm
>
> then you can protest the use
> of the registry cleaner that is
> utilized here:
>
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/whatsnew.htm
>


Once again, you've proven my point about how absolutely incapable of
critical thought you are. What makes you think that marketing drivel
constitutes scientific evidence?


Oh, and you did know that Microsoft has discontinued Live OneCare,
didn't as it proved worthless?


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killed a great many philosophers.
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db wrote:
> the operating system is one giant
> database
>

Not, it's not. You'd think someone making such now clearly bogus
claims in his signature would know at least that much.


>
> also, the registry is a database and
> not just a look up table.
>

Exactly. The registry is an *indexed* database, which is why
"cleaning" it is an exercise in futility.


> the o.s. reads and writes to it
> constantly.
>

Frequently, yes. Constantly, no.


Other nonsensical drivel snipped.
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Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Had no idea one question could spark such heated debate :-)

Ironically, I still do not have a definitive answer to my original question
and maybe it should be left to personal choice dependent on how comfortable
one feels with cleaners.

I've have used registry cleaners for about a year now (on a weekly basis)
and have experienced one negative encounter. A system restore was required
(Windows System/Restore) and was back to Normal in ten/twenty minutes or so.

Personally, I do feel a registry cleaning does improve my system
performance. Although I'm not quite sure how, now...

In article <>,
says...
> I've have used registry cleaners for about a year now (on a weekly basis)
> and have experienced one negative encounter. A system restore was required
> (Windows System/Restore) and was back to Normal in ten/twenty minutes or so.
>
> Personally, I do feel a registry cleaning does improve my system
> performance. Although I'm not quite sure how, now...
>

And if you had not used the snake oil you would not have experienced the
failure that we (IT Type Admins/Engineers) know them for.

I have servers and workstations that are many years old, never needed a
reg cleaner on any of them.

I have tested reg cleaners and found them to be more trouble/risk than
they are worth. 99% of the time, if you don't use crappy software you
would never need one, the rest of the time you can hand-edit the
registry and end up being a lot better off - as long as you understand
the registry.

I would never use a cleaner on a production system and I don't follow
anything that db posts as being a quality source of technical
information.

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:01:54 -0500, "Artreid"
<> wrote:

> Had no idea one question could spark such heated debate :-)
>
> Ironically, I still do not have a definitive answer to my original question
> and maybe it should be left to personal choice dependent on how comfortable
> one feels with cleaners.
>
> I've have used registry cleaners for about a year now (on a weekly basis)
> and have experienced one negative encounter. A system restore was required
> (Windows System/Restore) and was back to Normal in ten/twenty minutes or so.


Two points:

1. Neither I, nor anyone else here, has ever claimed that a registry
cleaner will cause a problem every time you use it. Rather, its use
subjects you to the *risk* of a problem. If you've had one problem out
the 52 times or so you used it, that's about 2% of the time. Two isn't
a giant number, but a problems once a year can be major. The point is
that there is no need to run any risk at all.

2. If you were able to use System Restore to get back to where you
were (or use the undo function of your Registry Cleaner, if it has
such a feature), consider yourself lucky. Yes, sometimes one of those
can solve your problem. But if the registry cleaner leaves you with an
unbootable system (and that does sometimes happen), you will have a
far more serious problem to face.

But, of course, it's your choice on your machine, not mine. If I, and
others here, haven't convinced you of what a serious mistake this is,
go ahead and do what you think best.


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