replacing Vista with XP/w2k and possible problems with drivers

On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in this
respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
machine.
Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively new
machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?

aa wrote:

> On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
> disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in this
> respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
> machine.
> Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
> new
> machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?

Can't answer such a generalized question except to say that some computer
makes/models that come with Vista will have drivers for XP and some won't.
You have to look at each specific machine.

General information about replacing Vista with XP:

A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:

1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.

2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling
them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
void the warranty, you make the decision.

3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.

4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore
disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you
have any data you want, back it up first.

6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
running XP instead.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

"aa" <> wrote in message
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> On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
> disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in this
> respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
> machine.
> Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
> new
> machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?
>
>


If HP doesn't think that drivers exist, and they are the people responsible
for creating said drivers, you are going to have to stay with Vista.

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

thank you Mike,
Generally u answeres my question - I shall expect problems with the drivers,
so I have to go dual boot first.

Of course, I visited hp.com and even talked to HP Support before troubling
people here. The result is inconclusive. They have SOME XP drivers, but they
are not sure they have them all.

As to invalidating warranty - I see no point in this warranty if under
warranty they cannot replace VISTA for XP/W2K for I cannot use VISTA anyway.
I an keeping it almost a year now and every time I try to do some familiar
job on it, I have to spend so much time on learning and tuning, that I give
up, close it down and go back to my old destop with w2k. Last time I had
problems with saving a text file I created onto a flash-stick - it was
saying that I do not have priveleges for that so I had to email it to myself
and receive the mail on another computer. I guess that there should have to
open some tab, tick some box but I have no time to investigate what to open
and what to tick. Then it turned out that MS ignored backward compatibility
principle and text and spreadshit files created on Vista would not get
opened on previous MS OSes!

as to "If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
running XP instead", first, the shop refused to take it back saying that I
knew that I was purchasing Vista. I indeed knew that, but I did not know
that I would need go for VISTA training cources to run it and also to throw
away half of my applications for they would noit install on VISTA. Microsoft
never mentioned this in their VISTA promotions
As to purchase one running XP instead - when and wherre last time you saw
a computer on sale running anything other then VISTA? I contacted HP, DELL
and Toshiba and they all advised me that Miscrosoft refused them licences
for XP or W2K forcing them to sell only VISTA.

So the next question is from the legal field - does this go against the
consumer rights? I am 55, I use comp for work and I have neither time or
desire nor ability to learn this new OS, which I am sure will not live long.
Is it legal for MS forcing me to buy it by refusing the familiar OSes?
If the community of users sue MS for the time loost on all these
artificially created hurdles, the compensation might be quite considerable
so tha MS starts noticing theirs customers?


"Malke" <> wrote in message
news:#ysqQlk#...
> aa wrote:
>
> > On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
> > disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in
this
> > respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
> > machine.
> > Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
> > new
> > machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?
>
> Can't answer such a generalized question except to say that some computer
> makes/models that come with Vista will have drivers for XP and some won't.
> You have to look at each specific machine.
>
> General information about replacing Vista with XP:
>
> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:
>
> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
> computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
> story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
> thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.
>
> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by
calling
> them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
> void the warranty, you make the decision.
>
> 3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
> have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
> be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.
>
> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP
restore
> disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
> from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.
>
> 5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if
you
> have any data you want, back it up first.
>
> 6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
> that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
> running XP instead.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
>

aa wrote:

Comments inline

> thank you Mike,

It's Malke, actually. I'm a woman tech.

> Generally u answeres my question - I shall expect problems with the
> drivers, so I have to go dual boot first.

You will still have problems if you dual boot because you will still need
drivers for that hardware! You should consider using virtualization
instead. The hardware is all virtualized and so drivers aren't an issue.
You install the virtualization software and then create a virtual machine
("vm") and install the operating system of your choice (XP in your case).
Virtualization is a fine solution if you must run older business software.
Gamers needing excellent 3D support will not be happy. I use (and prefer)
VMware Workstation, but it isn't free. Microsoft Virtual PC and Sun's
VirtualBox are free. You must own a legal retail copy of XP to install in
the vm.

> Of course, I visited hp.com and even talked to HP Support before troubling
> people here. The result is inconclusive. They have SOME XP drivers, but
> they are not sure they have them all.

Then that laptop isn't a good candidate for XP. HP's hardware is proprietary
and they are the ones who will have the drivers for it. You could always
try installing XP and see what happens. If it doesn't work, restore your
computer to factory condition via the method HP provides.

(Snip rantlet - don't really care)

> as to "If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP
> on that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
> running XP instead", first, the shop refused to take it back saying that I
> knew that I was purchasing Vista. I indeed knew that, but I did not know
> that I would need go for VISTA training cources to run it and also to
> throw away half of my applications for they would noit install on VISTA.
> Microsoft never mentioned this in their VISTA promotions
> As to purchase one running XP instead - when and wherre last time you
> saw a computer on sale running anything other then VISTA? I contacted HP,
> DELL and Toshiba and they all advised me that Miscrosoft refused them
> licences for XP or W2K forcing them to sell only VISTA.

Almost all my clients have ordered computers running XP from Dell. We had a
new one come in just last week. It is true that only certain models are
supported but you got incorrect information from whoever you spoke to at
Dell. I can't speak for HP since I don't deal with their business division,
preferring Dell. At this point with Windows 7 coming out soon, the OEMs may
indeed no longer offer XP. However, you can carefully choose a model that
does have drivers. The onus to purchase the correct product is on the buyer
- you.

(Snip request for legal advice - you cannot get that here. If you want legal
advice, you will need to contact (and pay) a local attorney.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

"aa" <> wrote in message
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> On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
> disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in this
> respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
> machine.
> Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
> new
> machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?
>
>

Hi
Look here

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...Id=135&prod=HP


chas2209

Thank you, Malke

The concept of VM frightens me off as another layer of software eating
computer resources. And I have to learn it too. Yet learning a general
concept like virtualisation is much more useful then wasting time on
proprietary VISTA pecularities.

I spoke only to HP, and contacted the others by email or by filling in a
form at their websites. No XP from either. That was last November. Perhaps
it changed recently.

I do not seek legal advise, I am just trying to stipp up users's rebellion
agains MS who twists our asms more and more tightly using their practically
monopoly position on the Market.

As in the US people win the most absurd cases against big boys, case agains
MS seems to be well justified. MS made huge contribution to the progress in
their early days but now they are staying in the way

> If HP doesn't think that drivers exist, and they are the people
responsible
> for creating said drivers, you are going to have to stay with Vista.
It was not HP who told me about drivers. It was someone from their customer
support team - and you probably are familiar with the level of competence of
customer supports too often you have to teach them about the product they
are supporting - I have much more faith in people here

"aa" <> wrote in message
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> On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
> disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in this
> respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
> machine.
> Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
> new
> machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?

Contrary to their support BS, drivers are almost certainly available for XP.

Figure out the chipset it has, then visit the vendors web sites and get
current XP drivers and instructions. For example, I have a Q6600 with a
ICHR9 chipset so I go to Intel to get them.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message
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>
> "aa" <> wrote in message
> news:OmmWOhk%...
>> On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format the
>> disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in
>> this
>> respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for this
>> machine.
>> Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
>> new
>> machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?
>
> If HP doesn't think that drivers exist, and they are the people
> responsible for creating said drivers, you are going to have to stay with
> Vista.

Maybe he should post the model and then we can find the links?

Drivers almost certainly exist for XP. Yours is the line of a MS Droid.

I have yet to see a COTs PC that could not run XP.