replacing Vista with XP/w2k and possible problems with drivers

Nobody forced you to buy that HP, or even to replace your old computer.
Neither HP nor Microsoft is under any obligation to provide you with another
computer that can run XP. Changing the user interface has been a huge pain
in the neck to some but it violates no comsumer laws that I am aware of.
You could have bought another brand computer that still supports XP, or you
could have gone the home assembly route.

What you need to do now, assuming you really want to install XP on your HP,
is start collecting drivers until it looks like you have enough. Also, come
up with a reasonable backup plan in case you need to go back to Vista. If
there is a system recovery partition or system install disks that came with
it that should do nicely. You might also consider getting a replacement HD.
They are real easy to change out or to install another one. Then you can
experiment without running any risk of losing your existing configuration
and data.

Earle

"aa" <> wrote in message
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> thank you Mike,
> Generally u answeres my question - I shall expect problems with the
> drivers,
> so I have to go dual boot first.
>
> Of course, I visited hp.com and even talked to HP Support before troubling
> people here. The result is inconclusive. They have SOME XP drivers, but
> they
> are not sure they have them all.
>
> As to invalidating warranty - I see no point in this warranty if under
> warranty they cannot replace VISTA for XP/W2K for I cannot use VISTA
> anyway.
> I an keeping it almost a year now and every time I try to do some familiar
> job on it, I have to spend so much time on learning and tuning, that I
> give
> up, close it down and go back to my old destop with w2k. Last time I had
> problems with saving a text file I created onto a flash-stick - it was
> saying that I do not have priveleges for that so I had to email it to
> myself
> and receive the mail on another computer. I guess that there should have
> to
> open some tab, tick some box but I have no time to investigate what to
> open
> and what to tick. Then it turned out that MS ignored backward
> compatibility
> principle and text and spreadshit files created on Vista would not get
> opened on previous MS OSes!
>
> as to "If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP
> on
> that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
> running XP instead", first, the shop refused to take it back saying that I
> knew that I was purchasing Vista. I indeed knew that, but I did not know
> that I would need go for VISTA training cources to run it and also to
> throw
> away half of my applications for they would noit install on VISTA.
> Microsoft
> never mentioned this in their VISTA promotions
> As to purchase one running XP instead - when and wherre last time you
> saw
> a computer on sale running anything other then VISTA? I contacted HP, DELL
> and Toshiba and they all advised me that Miscrosoft refused them licences
> for XP or W2K forcing them to sell only VISTA.
>
> So the next question is from the legal field - does this go against the
> consumer rights? I am 55, I use comp for work and I have neither time or
> desire nor ability to learn this new OS, which I am sure will not live
> long.
> Is it legal for MS forcing me to buy it by refusing the familiar OSes?
> If the community of users sue MS for the time loost on all these
> artificially created hurdles, the compensation might be quite considerable
> so tha MS starts noticing theirs customers?
>
>
> "Malke" <> wrote in message
> news:#ysqQlk#...
>> aa wrote:
>>
>> > On a year old HP Pavilion/Vista I would like to remove Vista, format
>> > the
>> > disk and install w2k or XP. But HP support refused all the support in
> this
>> > respect saying they are not sure I will find all XP/w2k drivers for
>> > this
>> > machine.
>> > Has anybody here had difficulties finding XP/w2k drivers for relatively
>> > new
>> > machines, and for HP Pavilion in particular?
>>
>> Can't answer such a generalized question except to say that some computer
>> makes/models that come with Vista will have drivers for XP and some
>> won't.
>> You have to look at each specific machine.
>>
>> General information about replacing Vista with XP:
>>
>> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, etc.) computer:
>>
>> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific
>> model
>> computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
>> story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
>> thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.
>>
>> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by
> calling
>> them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
>> void the warranty, you make the decision.
>>
>> 3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you
>> can
>> have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This
>> will
>> be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.
>>
>> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP
> restore
>> disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
>> from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.
>>
>> 5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if
> you
>> have any data you want, back it up first.
>>
>> 6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
>> that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
>> running XP instead.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>
>>
>
>

I made my Vista behave like XP, whats the problem?

It did take me a week+ though, and a stamina to wiothstand all these 'you're
a moron" responses from several idfiots here in respons eot my complains
about Vista.

But in the end it works. My Vista is I SWEAR faster than XP now, stable, I
fell iam still in XP, a few dialog boxes changed, so what?

All colors, appearances, behaviors, etc are OK, well I replaced Vista search
with MythicSoft, etc but no big deal, $40.
Wrong move, pal

hink about WIndows7, not WIndowsXP.

"aa" wrote:

> > If HP doesn't think that drivers exist, and they are the people
> responsible
> > for creating said drivers, you are going to have to stay with Vista.
> It was not HP who told me about drivers. It was someone from their customer
> support team - and you probably are familiar with the level of competence of
> customer supports too often you have to teach them about the product they
> are supporting - I have much more faith in people here
>
>
>

I'm 52 and didn't think that learning Vista was much of a challenge. Is it
different than XP? Yep, but not that much different; especially if you run it
in "Classic" mode. Yes, it is a problem if Vista won't run software that you
need for your business. Are there updated versions of the software available
that are Vista compatible? If not, maybe you could sell the Vista machine and
use the money to buy a one year old laptop with XP already on it. There must
be thousands of those available that are being traded in for new machines
with Vista.

> I'm 52 and didn't think that learning Vista was much of >a challenge.

For some people learning Vista is even a pleasure. Especially for those,
loving computers per se. People differ. 15 years ago I also was hungry for
learning new belles and whistles. But now i have better ways spending time.
I also believe that MS behave as they do partly because there people
thinking like you who are happy to swallow every crap MS sells them.


> Are there updated versions of the software available
> that are Vista compatible?
there are for some and there is not for the others.
But why should I spend my time and money for searching, buying and
installing these new versions?

Now that I do not demand MS make their VISTA to be compatible with other MS
software. I only want the OS I use, to be available. It is made unavailable
intentionally, for commercial reason only


>If not, maybe you could sell the Vista machine and
> use the money to buy a one year old laptop with XP >already on it. There
must
> be thousands of those available that are being traded in for new machines
with Vista.
Beautiful advice. I wish I thought of is myself ;-)

"aa" <> wrote in message
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>
>> I'm 52 and didn't think that learning Vista was much of >a challenge.
>
> For some people learning Vista is even a pleasure. Especially for those,
> loving computers per se. People differ. 15 years ago I also was hungry for
> learning new belles and whistles. But now i have better ways spending
> time.
> I also believe that MS behave as they do partly because there people
> thinking like you who are happy to swallow every crap MS sells them.
>
>
>> Are there updated versions of the software available
>> that are Vista compatible?
> there are for some and there is not for the others.
> But why should I spend my time and money for searching, buying and
> installing these new versions?
>
> Now that I do not demand MS make their VISTA to be compatible with other
> MS
> software. I only want the OS I use, to be available. It is made
> unavailable
> intentionally, for commercial reason only

I guess you're still trying to find parts for that Rambler American. At
some point in your life you have to adopt change. Time for you to embrace
the 21st century.
--

Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

> Nobody forced you to buy that HP

Earle, if you read me carefully you will see that I do not complain about
HP.
My complaint is about MS who forced HP to sell computers with VISTA only.

> Neither HP nor Microsoft is under any obligation to provide you with
another
> computer that can run XP

Absurd! MS, as far as I know, does not sell hardware - why do you think I
might consider MS under obligation to provide me with a computer? HP are
happy to supply computers with XP, but MS does not sell them relevant
license.

>Changing the user interface has been a huge pain
> in the neck to some but it violates no comsumer laws that I am aware of.

Earle, by your comments lawyer is not your trade or even hobby - you have
difficulties to understand what exactly I am unhappy about.
I am not an idiot to complain about MS changing user interface of their new
product. I am complaining that MS withheld licences for the previous
versions of OS thus forcing consumers to buy they new OS. And the Web is
full of people unhappy with VISTA and wanting to go back to XP or w2k. Of my
contacts I know only two, happy with VISTA. Both are young people, both
using computers for entertainment purposes only - music, video, Internet
browsing. For those using computer for business swear when are reminded of
VISTA.

> If there is a system recovery partition or system install disks that
came with
> it that should do nicely.

You probably are aware that they do not supply system install disks. From my
experience with XP system recovery partition, recovering OS from that
partition does not necessarily goes nicely. I know several cases when people
had to format the whole disk and install OS anew, using installation XP and
even w2k disks from thrown away old computers. This might be illegal but
getting help from MS is hopeless - they always say this is a hardware
fault - if you somehow manage to talk to them which is a challenge per ce.

"JEWboy" <> wrote in message
news:uTCLREm#...
> I made my Vista behave like XP, whats the problem?
>
> It did take me a week+ though, and a stamina to wiothstand all these
'you're
> a moron" responses from several idfiots here in respons eot my complains
> about Vista.
>
> But in the end it works. My Vista is I SWEAR faster than XP now, stable,
I
> fell iam still in XP, a few dialog boxes changed, so what?
>
> All colors, appearances, behaviors, etc are OK, well I replaced Vista
search
> with MythicSoft, etc but no big deal, $40.
> Wrong move, pal
>
> hink about WIndows7, not WIndowsXP.

MS should nominate you the best customer of 2009 for you patience and
loyalty. Your exersize looks as if Ford Fiesta fully suited your needs,
but were forced to purchse Bentley and then hummered it down to Fiesta to
fit into your parking space. You love computer tweaking and have time for
that., I like plug in and start working. Now point disputing tastes

> I guess you're still trying to find parts for that Rambler American.
VISTA is Rambler American, only dressed like a spacecraft - equally heavy
and complicated with bells and whistles to mesmerise housewives.
In this sence a genuine Rambler American is of preference

Is VISTA quicker? - No
Is it more convenient to use - No
Has it eliminated shortcomings of XP or w2k - No

"aa" <> wrote in message
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>> Nobody forced you to buy that HP
>
> Earle, if you read me carefully you will see that I do not complain about
> HP.
> My complaint is about MS who forced HP to sell computers with VISTA only.
>
>> Neither HP nor Microsoft is under any obligation to provide you with
> another
>> computer that can run XP
>
> Absurd! MS, as far as I know, does not sell hardware - why do you think I
> might consider MS under obligation to provide me with a computer? HP are
> happy to supply computers with XP, but MS does not sell them relevant
> license.
>
>>Changing the user interface has been a huge pain
>> in the neck to some but it violates no comsumer laws that I am aware of.
>
> Earle, by your comments lawyer is not your trade or even hobby - you have
> difficulties to understand what exactly I am unhappy about.
> I am not an idiot to complain about MS changing user interface of their
> new
> product. I am complaining that MS withheld licences for the previous
> versions of OS thus forcing consumers to buy they new OS. And the Web is
> full of people unhappy with VISTA and wanting to go back to XP or w2k. Of
> my
> contacts I know only two, happy with VISTA. Both are young people, both
> using computers for entertainment purposes only - music, video, Internet
> browsing. For those using computer for business swear when are reminded of
> VISTA.
>
>> If there is a system recovery partition or system install disks that
> came with
>> it that should do nicely.
>
> You probably are aware that they do not supply system install disks. From
> my
> experience with XP system recovery partition, recovering OS from that
> partition does not necessarily goes nicely. I know several cases when
> people
> had to format the whole disk and install OS anew, using installation XP
> and
> even w2k disks from thrown away old computers. This might be illegal but
> getting help from MS is hopeless - they always say this is a hardware
> fault - if you somehow manage to talk to them which is a challenge per ce.
>


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--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

"aa" <> wrote in message
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> > If HP doesn't think that drivers exist, and they are the people
> responsible
>> for creating said drivers, you are going to have to stay with Vista.
> It was not HP who told me about drivers. It was someone from their
> customer
> support team - and you probably are familiar with the level of competence
> of
> customer supports too often you have to teach them about the product they
> are supporting - I have much more faith in people here
>
>


If you don't like the way that HP and Microsoft do business, you are at
liberty to go elsewhere for your computing services..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/