replacing Vista with XP/w2k and possible problems with drivers

"Gordon" <> wrote in message
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> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
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>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
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>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "aa" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u0YULZo%...
>>>>>>>> Nobody forced you to buy that HP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earle, if you read me carefully you will see that I do not complain
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> HP.
>>>>>>> My complaint is about MS who forced HP to sell computers with VISTA
>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, now I've seen everything, Mike Hall suggesting Ubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And not the best time to do it since most Linux has just had it's
>>>> networking ability (With Windows via Samba) destroyed by the Samba
>>>> developers, or at least that is what it looks like from here...
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly a security issue, but all my Windows (Inc Vista) can see and
>>>> manipulate the shares on the Linux machines with no trouble, the Linux
>>>> machines however can't see anything except the workgroup, so the
>>>> Windows machines are made more secure but the linux machines remain
>>>> blissfully ignorant of the fact that they are being observed
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 9.04 will see XP shares but there seems to be a problem with
>>> Windows 7......
>>
>>
>> If you upgraded to 9.04 did you take the option to keep your Samba config
>> or did you allow it to be changed? If you did, or you just installed 9.04
>> as a new install then I am surprised the Samba (SMB shares can be
>> seen... did you do anything to make that possible and if so what?
>
> A fresh install of 9.04 Remix. Fully updated and no configuration changes
> made to Samba. The XP shares can be seen and accessed as normal, after
> giving the password....
> Windows 7 machine is seen on the network, but can't be accessed - I just
> get an endless loop of the log-in dialog box...


The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.

XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).


To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
disable SMB 2.0.

From an elevated command prompt

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled


To reenable SMB 2.0

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto


Source:
http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disabl...erver-2008.htm


I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting to
Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling SMB
2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other Vista or
XP machines.

I still have yet to test Linux, though.

Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.


Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB security
modes:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/e...ity-modes.html

"Tae Song" <> wrote in message
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> "Gordon" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>>
>> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
>> news:eHtOf$...
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "aa" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:u0YULZo%...
>>>>>>>>> Nobody forced you to buy that HP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earle, if you read me carefully you will see that I do not complain
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> HP.
>>>>>>>> My complaint is about MS who forced HP to sell computers with VISTA
>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, now I've seen everything, Mike Hall suggesting Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And not the best time to do it since most Linux has just had it's
>>>>> networking ability (With Windows via Samba) destroyed by the Samba
>>>>> developers, or at least that is what it looks like from here...
>>>>>
>>>>> Supposedly a security issue, but all my Windows (Inc Vista) can see
>>>>> and manipulate the shares on the Linux machines with no trouble, the
>>>>> Linux machines however can't see anything except the workgroup, so the
>>>>> Windows machines are made more secure but the linux machines remain
>>>>> blissfully ignorant of the fact that they are being observed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 will see XP shares but there seems to be a problem with
>>>> Windows 7......
>>>
>>>
>>> If you upgraded to 9.04 did you take the option to keep your Samba
>>> config or did you allow it to be changed? If you did, or you just
>>> installed 9.04 as a new install then I am surprised the Samba (SMB
>>> shares can be seen... did you do anything to make that possible and if
>>> so what?
>>
>> A fresh install of 9.04 Remix. Fully updated and no configuration
>> changes made to Samba. The XP shares can be seen and accessed as normal,
>> after giving the password....
>> Windows 7 machine is seen on the network, but can't be accessed - I just
>> get an endless loop of the log-in dialog box...
>
>
> The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
> allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.
>
> XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
> Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).
>
>
> To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
> disable SMB 2.0.
>
> From an elevated command prompt
>
> sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
> sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled
>
>
> To reenable SMB 2.0
>
> sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
> sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto
>
>
> Source:
> http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disabl...erver-2008.htm
>
>
> I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting
> to Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling
> SMB 2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other
> Vista or XP machines.
>
> I still have yet to test Linux, though.
>
> Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
> performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
> 2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.
>
>
> Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB
> security modes:
> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/e...ity-modes.html

Done that - no joy.

"Tae Song" <> wrote in message
news:C79E70A1-80E8-4EC4-9158-...
>
> "Gordon" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>>
>> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
>> news:eHtOf$...
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "aa" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:u0YULZo%...
>>>>>>>>> Nobody forced you to buy that HP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earle, if you read me carefully you will see that I do not complain
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> HP.
>>>>>>>> My complaint is about MS who forced HP to sell computers with VISTA
>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, now I've seen everything, Mike Hall suggesting Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And not the best time to do it since most Linux has just had it's
>>>>> networking ability (With Windows via Samba) destroyed by the Samba
>>>>> developers, or at least that is what it looks like from here...
>>>>>
>>>>> Supposedly a security issue, but all my Windows (Inc Vista) can see
>>>>> and manipulate the shares on the Linux machines with no trouble, the
>>>>> Linux machines however can't see anything except the workgroup, so the
>>>>> Windows machines are made more secure but the linux machines remain
>>>>> blissfully ignorant of the fact that they are being observed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 will see XP shares but there seems to be a problem with
>>>> Windows 7......
>>>
>>>
>>> If you upgraded to 9.04 did you take the option to keep your Samba
>>> config or did you allow it to be changed? If you did, or you just
>>> installed 9.04 as a new install then I am surprised the Samba (SMB
>>> shares can be seen... did you do anything to make that possible and if
>>> so what?
>>
>> A fresh install of 9.04 Remix. Fully updated and no configuration
>> changes made to Samba. The XP shares can be seen and accessed as normal,
>> after giving the password....
>> Windows 7 machine is seen on the network, but can't be accessed - I just
>> get an endless loop of the log-in dialog box...
>
>
> The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
> allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.
>
> XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
> Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).
>
>
> To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
> disable SMB 2.0.
>
> From an elevated command prompt
>
> sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
> sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled
>
>
> To reenable SMB 2.0
>
> sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
> sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto
>
>
> Source:
> http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disabl...erver-2008.htm
>
>
> I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting
> to Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling
> SMB 2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other
> Vista or XP machines.
>
> I still have yet to test Linux, though.
>
> Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
> performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
> 2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.
>
>
> Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB
> security modes:
> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/e...ity-modes.html

Minor correction. Window 98SE still can't access Vista shares. I was
looking at another machine with a similar name.

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:51:22 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<> wrote:

>> Absurd! MS, as far as I know, does not sell hardware - why do you think I
>> might consider MS under obligation to provide me with a computer? HP are
>> happy to supply computers with XP, but MS does not sell them relevant
>> license.
>
>MS is being difficult perhaps, but they're breaking no law. MS
>sells/licenses operating systems to HP, who then assembles and sells the
>complete product to you, the customer. MS and HP working together "provide"
>the computer/operating system combination. They are under no obligation to
>provide you with a new one that runs XP. That's like going to my local
>Honda dealer and telling them I want another 1999 Honda Civic HX, just like
>the one I am trying to trade in. My choices are to buy one of the new cars
>available, or to keep using the old one. It's the same with electronics
>like your computer.
>
That sounds like a monopoly but that is for another thread.

You could possible get a used Honda Civic HX.


The problem isn't the computer (Well from what tech's told me, Vista
is really slow and windows 7 runs really fast) The problem people buy
tons of software of software, the Microsoft changes the operating
system. Then the old software doesn't work and make people mad.
Then have to keep buying new.

In fact, I just got xp disk and I am now dual booting between 98se
and xp. The reason I got that was I forced to. Yes forced to, if I
wanted to keep paying my bills online. The Credit card company uses
flash and my banking sites does as well. So in a way you are forced
to upgrade or not have a computer. The newest Flash software no
longer supports windows 98se

Greg

On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:17:54 -0700, FBonWin7RC1x64 <> wrote:

>Your first problem will be in finding SATA/AHCI drivers for XP so that
>you can even begin to install XP.
>
>If you are only 55 yrs old I'd strongly suggest that you learn to use
>Vista as it is the future...i.e., Windows 7 is built on Vista and XP is,
>for an intense and purposes...a dead OS.

I just bought xp, so I can pay my bill (Some sites use flash and they
will require xp soon)

Hmm, not quite true from what a tech told me. It is going to be
built on xp and some on vista to make it faster. Windows 7 pro is
even going to have a xp mode.

Greg