On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:21:37 -0700, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space
tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT com> put finger to keyboard
and composed:
>As mentioned, files in ROM are not files, so you can't copy them in any way,
>shape, or form, usually (it depends on how they're marked when the ROM files
>are built).
That's my first point of confusion. Are the core WinCE files in mask
ROM or in flash? There is a directory named ResidentFlash which is
available to the user, but there are Windows files such as the
registry which can be written, and which persist after power cycling,
so these must be in flash also.
The fact that files are located in ROM doesn't alter the fact that
they are still files, so I can't see why they can't be copied,
assuming they are not in use. In fact I have retrieved all the files
in my router's firmware via FTP. Maybe WinCE has its own file
protections that prevent copying, but nothing in the files' properties
(read-only, hidden) would suggest that this is the case.
>If you had the original source folders (the Platform Builder
>flat release directory), that were used to build the ROM file, you could
>operate on the real DLLs and EXEs, but once they're in the ROM, you're done.
>
>Microsoft ships a Remote Registry Editor as part of Visual Studio 2005/2008
>and eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 Service Pack 4.
>
>You could write a simple program to capture a directory listing, although
>it's not clear to me why that has anything to do with any of this (how does
>a directory listing tell you anything about dependencies?)
It tells me which subset of the WinCE OS is installed. This helps when
I'm looking for compatible applications, or when I'm conferring with
the author of a problematic application. At the moment I'm just trying
to find out as much as I can about the device ... without taking a
screwdriver to it.
So far I've tried 5 or 6 notepads and 2 calculators, but none are
fully compatible with my device. But then it was designed as a GPS
with a 320x240 touch screen so I can't expect too much.
>If the device is
>based on generic Windows CE 5.0, as opposed to Pocket PC, there's a
>reasonable chance that the MS-DOS console is there, in which case, 'dir *.*
> > file.txt' would get the directory listing just as it would on the desktop.
>It's up to the device developer, OEM, of course, to decide if having that
>console makes sense or not...
It doesn't, so it does not appear to have been included. Is the
console something like command.com or cmd.exe? Is it available for
public download?
>By the way, virtually every microsoft.public.windowsce.* group is active, so
>I'm not sure how you concluded that there was a problem. Sixty some
>messages *today* in the Platform Builder group, for example,
>microsoft.public.windowsce.platbuilder. Somewhere in the 20s for
>microsoft.public.windowsce.app.development.
I saw those groups but they sounded like they were targeted at
developers and programmers. I am neither. In fact I'm a raw novice
whose questions are likely to annoy people. I considered asking my
questions in the microsoft.public.windowsce group, but that is showing
no activity, and may no longer be a valid group at all.
I'll try posting to microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded. Hopefully the
regulars will be understanding.
>Paul T.
>
>"Franc Zabkar" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> The main reason I want to copy the files to my PC is so that I can
>> analyse them to determine which of them are involved with particular
>> hardware and software aspects of my GPS device. I currently have my
>> GPS operating as a crude PDA.
>>
>> The GIFs I was referring to are screenshots of the files in the GPS
>> Windows folder that are visible from my Win98SE PC via ActiveSync. I
>> would have preferred to capture the directory listing to a text file,
>> but I don't know of any way to do this in WinCE.
>>
>> BTW, I found this remote registry editor very helpful:
>> http://ceregeditor.mdsoft.pl/index.php?id=3&lang=en
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:50:45 -0700, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space
>> tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT com> put finger to keyboard
>> and composed:
>>
>>>Files in ROM are not stored there as files, usually, but as
>>>directly-executable images. You can never copy those to the PC, but they
>>>shouldn't be a problem as far as losing them, since they're in ROM.
>>>
>>>Other files might be parts of running programs and you can't back those up
>>>for obvious reasons (they're in use).
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what's happening with GIFs, but the most-likely cause of
>>>problems is that they're open.
>>>
>>>Paul T.
>>>
>>>"Franc Zabkar" <> wrote in message
>>>news: ...
>>>>I have a GPS device running Windows CE 5.0 build 1400.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running ActiveSync ver 3.8 on a Win98SE box.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to be able to backup all the WinCE executables on my desktop
>>>> PC, but the EXE, DLL, and CPL files are protected in some way (Access
>>>> Denied). Furthermore, there are many more hidden files which I can't
>>>> see via ActiveSync but which are visible when I hack into the GPS OS.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of beginner's questions in regard to WinCE, but I can't
>>>> find an active WinCE newsgroup. Can anyone suggest an appropriate
>>>> forum?
>>>>
>>>> Here is the information I have collected on the GPS device so far:
>>>> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/GPS/PWM-3501_Tevion/
>>>>
>>>> The GIFs are screenshots of the GPS files that are visible from the PC
>>>> side.
>>>>
>>>> - Franc Zabkar
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
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>
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