Scrap Vista/Server 2008 Project

To Whome It May Concern:

I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it well
enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running into a never
ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software that isn't
compatable, Software that will install without problem, but then won't run,
Software that when installed makes hardware devices disappear, Keyboard
errors, Printer drivers that won't install, Print jobs that say they printed,
but never get to the print device, Applications and OS crashes, Permissions
level (I am logged on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run
basic command line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig /release,
renew or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns). I would suggest to you that you
scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for Windows XP
until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server 2008 otherwise this
will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me. Every other Network
Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked to agree's that Vista
reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has started the nightmare's all over
again. In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't
drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
disasterous product (Windows Vista).

Thank you,
--
Eric Stanaway
Frustrated Vista User

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"Eric Stanaway" <> wrote in message
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> To Whome It May Concern:
>
> I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it well
> enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running into a
> never
> ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software that isn't
> compatable, Software that will install without problem, but then won't
> run,
> Software that when installed makes hardware devices disappear, Keyboard
> errors, Printer drivers that won't install, Print jobs that say they
> printed,
> but never get to the print device,

A huge proportion of the above are more likely to be incompatible software
and drivers then actual Vista problems.

> Applications and OS crashes, Permissions
> level (I am logged on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run
> basic command line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig
> /release,
> renew or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns).

These are not problems with permissions but related to your lack of
understanding about UAC and the role of an administrators group member vs.
that of the Administrator account.
Maybe you just need to understand more about the enhanced level of security
in Vista an then decide if you wish to disable it and pit your self at risk
(which would remove the UAC dialogs about having to confirm certain
operations or commands.

> I would suggest to you that you
> scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for Windows XP
> until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server 2008 otherwise
> this
> will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me.

Are you actually testing Windows Serve 2008 - if you were then you would be
aware of the subtle changes in UAC related to that platform.
These are not problems that need to be worked out in the OS - they are
driver/app issues that those vendors need to address and your own lack of
expertise or experience with the product and understanding of he new
security model etc.

> Every other Network
> Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked to agree's that Vista
> reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has started the nightmare's all
> over
> again.

All I can say is that the massive number of clients I have worked with on
Vista projects and deployed to and the technical staff that have to use and
support this everyday do not share your narrow view.

> In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't
> drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
> disasterous product (Windows Vista).
>

Personally they could drop XP now - I am running nothing but Vista and
Server 2003R2 and the 2008 Betas without any issues at all.

--

Mike Brannigan


"Eric Stanaway" <> wrote in message
news:2EC209E3-2F89-4B7C-960F-...
> To Whome It May Concern:
>
> I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it well
> enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running into a
> never
> ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software that isn't
> compatable, Software that will install without problem, but then won't
> run,
> Software that when installed makes hardware devices disappear, Keyboard
> errors, Printer drivers that won't install, Print jobs that say they
> printed,
> but never get to the print device, Applications and OS crashes,
> Permissions
> level (I am logged on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run
> basic command line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig
> /release,
> renew or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns). I would suggest to you that
> you
> scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for Windows XP
> until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server 2008 otherwise
> this
> will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me. Every other Network
> Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked to agree's that Vista
> reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has started the nightmare's all
> over
> again. In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please
> don't
> drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
> disasterous product (Windows Vista).
>
> Thank you,
> --
> Eric Stanaway
> Frustrated Vista User
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:12:05 -0700, Eric Stanaway
<> wrote:

> In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't
> drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
> disasterous product (Windows Vista).


This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows Vista users
here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft
employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names;
that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful
advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially
on his own time.

So if you want to address Microsoft please do it directly. It has no
effect here.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken,

Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop down
list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I wasn't
trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to communicate directly
to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.
--
Eric Stanaway
Frustrated Vista User


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:12:05 -0700, Eric Stanaway
> <> wrote:
>
> > In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't
> > drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
> > disasterous product (Windows Vista).
>
>
> This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows Vista users
> here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft
> employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names;
> that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful
> advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially
> on his own time.
>
> So if you want to address Microsoft please do it directly. It has no
> effect here.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>

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<> wrote in
news:0A147CD8-F713-4ABF-8C25-:

> Ken,
>
> Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop
> down list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I
> wasn't trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to
> communicate directly to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.

The confusion is caused by using the 'MS Community' web page to post to
Usenet. Usenet is another part of the internet, based on text reading of
messages, not too unlike BBS systems of the past. If you were to use a
'real' newsreader client, like XNews, of XanaNews, or even Outhouse
Express, you would see that just about everything presented to you by a web
interface to Usenet is just fluff added by who(m)evers' web page it is.

Good luck on trying to communicate with MS w/o 'buying' their time.

Eric Stanaway wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop down
> list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I wasn't
> trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to communicate directly
> to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.

Even their website is in part confusing and hard to use. Mabey they
developed it and run it on Vista too.

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Hi Eric,

I would agree with you concerning Vista which I think is a terrible
operating system. Microsoft will, hopefully, have resolved at least some
of its many problems with the release of SP1.
Windows Server 2008, on the other hand, is a super operating system. It
is easy to use, has an excellent feature set and, even as a beta, is
ultra stable. We have not had a single operating system crash in 4+
months of continuous operation. There were some initial problems with
lack of drivers and incompatibility with a few programs. At least in our
setting, these problems have been resolved and Windows Server 2008 works
perfectly with all our typical hardware devices and application programs.

Eric Stanaway wrote:
> To Whome It May Concern:
>
> I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it
> well enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running
> into a never ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software
> that isn't compatable, Software that will install without problem,
> but then won't run, Software that when installed makes hardware
> devices disappear, Keyboard errors, Printer drivers that won't
> install, Print jobs that say they printed, but never get to the print
> device, Applications and OS crashes, Permissions level (I am logged
> on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run basic command
> line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig /release, renew
> or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns). I would suggest to you that you
> scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for
> Windows XP until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server
> 2008 otherwise this will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me.
> Every other Network Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked
> to agree's that Vista reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has
> started the nightmare's all over again. In order to save the IT
> community from another disaster, please don't drop support for a
> stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another disasterous product
> (Windows Vista).

You have my sympathies.

I can't get DOS Tetris to run either.

DanS wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?RXJpYyBTdGFuYXdheQ==?=
> <> wrote in
> news:0A147CD8-F713-4ABF-8C25-:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop
>> down list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I
>> wasn't trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to
>> communicate directly to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.
>
> The confusion is caused by using the 'MS Community' web page to post to
> Usenet. Usenet is another part of the internet, based on text reading of
> messages, not too unlike BBS systems of the past. If you were to use a
> 'real' newsreader client, like XNews, of XanaNews, or even Outhouse
> Express, you would see that just about everything presented to you by a
> web interface to Usenet is just fluff added by who(m)evers' web page it
> is.
>
> Good luck on trying to communicate with MS w/o 'buying' their time.

Send him over to talk to Frank. According to Frank, he and Bill Gates meet
fairly regularly. Maybe Frank can pass on the message on how bad Vista
sucks?

Cheers.

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NoStop wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>
>> =?Utf-8?B?RXJpYyBTdGFuYXdheQ==?=
>> <> wrote in
>> news:0A147CD8-F713-4ABF-8C25-:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop
>>> down list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I
>>> wasn't trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to
>>> communicate directly to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.
>> The confusion is caused by using the 'MS Community' web page to post to
>> Usenet. Usenet is another part of the internet, based on text reading of
>> messages, not too unlike BBS systems of the past. If you were to use a
>> 'real' newsreader client, like XNews, of XanaNews, or even Outhouse
>> Express, you would see that just about everything presented to you by a
>> web interface to Usenet is just fluff added by who(m)evers' web page it
>> is.
>>
>> Good luck on trying to communicate with MS w/o 'buying' their time.
>
> Send him over to talk to Frank. According to Frank, he and Bill Gates meet
> fairly regularly. Maybe Frank can pass on the message on how bad Vista
> sucks?
>
> Cheers.
>


Ah you forgot the imperative here,

1. Blame drivers
2. Blame the user
3. Try to belittle the user by some other means (eg spelling mistakes)
4. Explain how the completely unrelated Beta software you have is flawless.

Can you please try in future to abide by the posting rules