Server 2008 slow printing through spooler

Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been complaining of
slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried many
different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue. larger
jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the print
job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the queue
thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in blocks of
..25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the spooler
performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have any Vista
clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance actually
degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with Vista
clients ?

Help would be greatly appreciated.

There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do anything.

launch Print Management

Select a print
right click, Manage sharing

uncheck
Render print jobs on client computers

Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network group
says the data transfer speeds are great.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

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"JoePa" <> wrote in message
news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been complaining
> of
> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried many
> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue. larger
> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
> print
> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
> queue
> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in blocks
> of
> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the spooler
> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have any
> Vista
> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance actually
> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with Vista
> clients ?
>
> Help would be greatly appreciated.

There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I think
the memory leak would happen with any client load.


http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer clients
--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do anything.
>
> launch Print Management
>
> Select a print
> right click, Manage sharing
>
> uncheck
> Render print jobs on client computers
>
> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network group
> says the data transfer speeds are great.
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
>> complaining of
>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried many
>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
>> larger
>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
>> print
>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
>> queue
>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in blocks
>> of
>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the spooler
>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have any
>> Vista
>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance actually
>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with Vista
>> clients ?
>>
>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>

you will need this QFE as well

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178

The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista


--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

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"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I think
> the memory leak would happen with any client load.
>
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
> Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
> 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer clients
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
>> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
>> anything.
>>
>> launch Print Management
>>
>> Select a print
>> right click, Manage sharing
>>
>> uncheck
>> Render print jobs on client computers
>>
>> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network
>> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
>>
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
>> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
>>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
>>> complaining of
>>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried many
>>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
>>> larger
>>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
>>> print
>>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
>>> queue
>>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in blocks
>>> of
>>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the spooler
>>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
>>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have any
>>> Vista
>>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance actually
>>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with
>>> Vista
>>> clients ?
>>>
>>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>

The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team believes that
this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a plan to
make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have to run
this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> you will need this QFE as well
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
>
> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
>
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I think
> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
> >
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer clients
> > --
> > Alan Morris
> > Windows Printing Team
> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
> >
> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
> >> anything.
> >>
> >> launch Print Management
> >>
> >> Select a print
> >> right click, Manage sharing
> >>
> >> uncheck
> >> Render print jobs on client computers
> >>
> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network
> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alan Morris
> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
> >>> complaining of
> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried many
> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
> >>> larger
> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
> >>> print
> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
> >>> queue
> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in blocks
> >>> of
> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the spooler
> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have any
> >>> Vista
> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance actually
> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with
> >>> Vista
> >>> clients ?
> >>>
> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

the fix is for the print server. The clients do not require any files

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"TJ" <> wrote in message
news:E2769E86-96BE-41A9-8636-...
> The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team believes
> that
> this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a plan
> to
> make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have to run
> this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> you will need this QFE as well
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
>>
>> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
>> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I
>> > think
>> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
>> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
>> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer
>> > clients
>> > --
>> > Alan Morris
>> > Windows Printing Team
>> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >
>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> > rights.
>> >
>> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
>> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
>> >> anything.
>> >>
>> >> launch Print Management
>> >>
>> >> Select a print
>> >> right click, Manage sharing
>> >>
>> >> uncheck
>> >> Render print jobs on client computers
>> >>
>> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network
>> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alan Morris
>> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >>
>> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
>> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
>> >>> complaining of
>> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried
>> >>> many
>> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
>> >>> larger
>> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
>> >>> print
>> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
>> >>> queue
>> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in
>> >>> blocks
>> >>> of
>> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the
>> >>> spooler
>> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
>> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have
>> >>> any
>> >>> Vista
>> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance
>> >>> actually
>> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with
>> >>> Vista
>> >>> clients ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Perhaps I didn't phrase my question properly in my last post.

Granted that these two fixes will resolve an issue with a Vista client and
Server 2008, what help can Microsoft provide when I have an XP client submit
a 100KB print job, that spools up to 20MB on my Windows 2008 32-bit server?

All print queues have 2008 certified drivers using standard tcp/ip ports.

This issue is really causing a major issue for our organization. The fixes
listed in this thread do not appear to apply to a xp/server 2008 shop.

Thanks for any help.
TJ




"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> the fix is for the print server. The clients do not require any files
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "TJ" <> wrote in message
> news:E2769E86-96BE-41A9-8636-...
> > The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team believes
> > that
> > this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a plan
> > to
> > make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have to run
> > this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.
> >
> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >> you will need this QFE as well
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
> >>
> >> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
> >> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alan Morris
> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> >> news:%...
> >> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I
> >> > think
> >> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
> >> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
> >> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer
> >> > clients
> >> > --
> >> > Alan Morris
> >> > Windows Printing Team
> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >
> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> > rights.
> >> >
> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> >> > news:...
> >> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on the
> >> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
> >> >> anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> launch Print Management
> >> >>
> >> >> Select a print
> >> >> right click, Manage sharing
> >> >>
> >> >> uncheck
> >> >> Render print jobs on client computers
> >> >>
> >> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the network
> >> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alan Morris
> >> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >>
> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> >> rights.
> >> >>
> >> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
> >> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
> >> >>> complaining of
> >> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have tried
> >> >>> many
> >> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
> >> >>> larger
> >> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like the
> >> >>> print
> >> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in the
> >> >>> queue
> >> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in
> >> >>> blocks
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the
> >> >>> spooler
> >> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
> >> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not have
> >> >>> any
> >> >>> Vista
> >> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance
> >> >>> actually
> >> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance with
> >> >>> Vista
> >> >>> clients ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Are the files from the XP clients in EMF format? What happens if you
disable rendering on the server and offload to the client
printer properties , Advanced, uncheck Enable advanced features.

Are the clients using a set of fonts that are not installed on the server?
--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"TJ" <> wrote in message
news:C24FEC43-4DC2-4346-AFA4-...
> Perhaps I didn't phrase my question properly in my last post.
>
> Granted that these two fixes will resolve an issue with a Vista client and
> Server 2008, what help can Microsoft provide when I have an XP client
> submit
> a 100KB print job, that spools up to 20MB on my Windows 2008 32-bit
> server?
>
> All print queues have 2008 certified drivers using standard tcp/ip ports.
>
> This issue is really causing a major issue for our organization. The
> fixes
> listed in this thread do not appear to apply to a xp/server 2008 shop.
>
> Thanks for any help.
> TJ
>
>
>
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> the fix is for the print server. The clients do not require any files
>>
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "TJ" <> wrote in message
>> news:E2769E86-96BE-41A9-8636-...
>> > The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team believes
>> > that
>> > this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a
>> > plan
>> > to
>> > make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have to
>> > run
>> > this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.
>> >
>> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> you will need this QFE as well
>> >>
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
>> >>
>> >> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
>> >> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alan Morris
>> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >>
>> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:%...
>> >> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I
>> >> > think
>> >> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
>> >> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
>> >> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer
>> >> > clients
>> >> > --
>> >> > Alan Morris
>> >> > Windows Printing Team
>> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >
>> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> > rights.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
>> >> > news:...
>> >> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
>> >> >> anything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> launch Print Management
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Select a print
>> >> >> right click, Manage sharing
>> >> >>
>> >> >> uncheck
>> >> >> Render print jobs on client computers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the
>> >> >> network
>> >> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alan Morris
>> >> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> >> rights.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
>> >> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
>> >> >>> complaining of
>> >> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have
>> >> >>> tried
>> >> >>> many
>> >> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
>> >> >>> larger
>> >> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> print
>> >> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> queue
>> >> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in
>> >> >>> blocks
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the
>> >> >>> spooler
>> >> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
>> >> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not
>> >> >>> have
>> >> >>> any
>> >> >>> Vista
>> >> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance
>> >> >>> actually
>> >> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> Vista
>> >> >>> clients ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Alan,

Thanks so much! Who would have figured that having "Enable Advanced
Printing Features" would cause so much havoc. We unchecked this option in
our print queues and we are getting positive feedback for our users. The
documents spool up quick like grease lightnin' now. Honestly, I cannot tell
you how much of a thorn this has been for several of us and we really
appreciate the asisstance.

Hopefully this will help the multitude of others out there!

TJ

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> Are the files from the XP clients in EMF format? What happens if you
> disable rendering on the server and offload to the client
> printer properties , Advanced, uncheck Enable advanced features.
>
> Are the clients using a set of fonts that are not installed on the server?
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "TJ" <> wrote in message
> news:C24FEC43-4DC2-4346-AFA4-...
> > Perhaps I didn't phrase my question properly in my last post.
> >
> > Granted that these two fixes will resolve an issue with a Vista client and
> > Server 2008, what help can Microsoft provide when I have an XP client
> > submit
> > a 100KB print job, that spools up to 20MB on my Windows 2008 32-bit
> > server?
> >
> > All print queues have 2008 certified drivers using standard tcp/ip ports.
> >
> > This issue is really causing a major issue for our organization. The
> > fixes
> > listed in this thread do not appear to apply to a xp/server 2008 shop.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > TJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >> the fix is for the print server. The clients do not require any files
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alan Morris
> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> "TJ" <> wrote in message
> >> news:E2769E86-96BE-41A9-8636-...
> >> > The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team believes
> >> > that
> >> > this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a
> >> > plan
> >> > to
> >> > make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have to
> >> > run
> >> > this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.
> >> >
> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> you will need this QFE as well
> >> >>
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
> >> >>
> >> >> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because of
> >> >> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alan Morris
> >> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >>
> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> >> rights.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:%...
> >> >> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients but I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
> >> >> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows Server
> >> >> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer
> >> >> > clients
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Alan Morris
> >> >> > Windows Printing Team
> >> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> >> > rights.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:...
> >> >> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
> >> >> >> anything.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> launch Print Management
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Select a print
> >> >> >> right click, Manage sharing
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> uncheck
> >> >> >> Render print jobs on client computers
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the
> >> >> >> network
> >> >> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alan Morris
> >> >> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> >> >> rights.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
> >> >> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
> >> >> >>> complaining of
> >> >> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have
> >> >> >>> tried
> >> >> >>> many
> >> >> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the issue.
> >> >> >>> larger
> >> >> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems like
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> print
> >> >> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up in
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> queue
> >> >> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up in
> >> >> >>> blocks
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the
> >> >> >>> spooler
> >> >> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new print
> >> >> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not
> >> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>> any
> >> >> >>> Vista
> >> >> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance
> >> >> >>> actually
> >> >> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance
> >> >> >>> with
> >> >> >>> Vista
> >> >> >>> clients ?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

glad that worked. I think you will find that installing the fonts that the
clients are using onto the print server will also resolve this. When the
print server renders the documents and the fonts are not available on the
server, all the font data is contained in the EMF record from the clients.
When the server has the fonts, GDI gets this data from the server rather
than the EMF file.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"TJ" <> wrote in message
news:E90021C4-44BA-484A-9392-...
> Alan,
>
> Thanks so much! Who would have figured that having "Enable Advanced
> Printing Features" would cause so much havoc. We unchecked this option in
> our print queues and we are getting positive feedback for our users. The
> documents spool up quick like grease lightnin' now. Honestly, I cannot
> tell
> you how much of a thorn this has been for several of us and we really
> appreciate the asisstance.
>
> Hopefully this will help the multitude of others out there!
>
> TJ
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> Are the files from the XP clients in EMF format? What happens if you
>> disable rendering on the server and offload to the client
>> printer properties , Advanced, uncheck Enable advanced features.
>>
>> Are the clients using a set of fonts that are not installed on the
>> server?
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "TJ" <> wrote in message
>> news:C24FEC43-4DC2-4346-AFA4-...
>> > Perhaps I didn't phrase my question properly in my last post.
>> >
>> > Granted that these two fixes will resolve an issue with a Vista client
>> > and
>> > Server 2008, what help can Microsoft provide when I have an XP client
>> > submit
>> > a 100KB print job, that spools up to 20MB on my Windows 2008 32-bit
>> > server?
>> >
>> > All print queues have 2008 certified drivers using standard tcp/ip
>> > ports.
>> >
>> > This issue is really causing a major issue for our organization. The
>> > fixes
>> > listed in this thread do not appear to apply to a xp/server 2008 shop.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any help.
>> > TJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> the fix is for the print server. The clients do not require any files
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alan Morris
>> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >>
>> >> "TJ" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:E2769E86-96BE-41A9-8636-...
>> >> > The fix is for Vista clients. If the MS Windows Printing team
>> >> > believes
>> >> > that
>> >> > this leak could be on different client loads, does Microsoft have a
>> >> > plan
>> >> > to
>> >> > make a patch available for XP clients? I am afraid that if i have
>> >> > to
>> >> > run
>> >> > this patch on an XP load, that the client may fail/bsod.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> you will need this QFE as well
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952178
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Print Spooler service consumes a large amount of memory because
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> unsuitable RPC caching in Windows Server 2008 and in Windows Vista
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alan Morris
>> >> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> >> rights.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:%...
>> >> >> > There is this QFE for the spooler. I states for Vista clients
>> >> >> > but I
>> >> >> > think
>> >> >> > the memory leak would happen with any client load.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;951638
>> >> >> > Performance issues are caused by a memory leak on a Windows
>> >> >> > Server
>> >> >> > 2008-based print server that has many Windows Vista-based printer
>> >> >> > clients
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Alan Morris
>> >> >> > Windows Printing Team
>> >> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > rights.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" <> wrote in
>> >> >> > message
>> >> >> > news:...
>> >> >> >> There is a print queue setting on the server to force rendering
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> client rather than the print server. I'm unsure if this will do
>> >> >> >> anything.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> launch Print Management
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Select a print
>> >> >> >> right click, Manage sharing
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> uncheck
>> >> >> >> Render print jobs on client computers
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Another advantage to having a Vista client is SMB2 which the
>> >> >> >> network
>> >> >> >> group says the data transfer speeds are great.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Alan Morris
>> >> >> >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> rights.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "JoePa" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:90F0E7E3-693E-4EB8-978E-...
>> >> >> >>> Since my organization has deployed Server 2008 users have been
>> >> >> >>> complaining of
>> >> >> >>> slow printing. We have both Lexmark and HP printers and have
>> >> >> >>> tried
>> >> >> >>> many
>> >> >> >>> different driver scenarios but that does not seem to be the
>> >> >> >>> issue.
>> >> >> >>> larger
>> >> >> >>> jobs seem to be what generate the most complaints. It seems
>> >> >> >>> like
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> print
>> >> >> >>> job from an XP client takes alot longer to completely spool up
>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> queue
>> >> >> >>> thatn it previously did under Server 2003. The data spools up
>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >>> blocks
>> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >>> .25MB at a time. Does anyone have a suggestion to improve the
>> >> >> >>> spooler
>> >> >> >>> performance ? I read something about Vista clients and new
>> >> >> >>> print
>> >> >> >>> architecture in Server 2008 to improve performance. We do not
>> >> >> >>> have
>> >> >> >>> any
>> >> >> >>> Vista
>> >> >> >>> clients. Could this be the issue ? Could our XP performance
>> >> >> >>> actually
>> >> >> >>> degrade with the attempt by Server 2008 to improve performance
>> >> >> >>> with
>> >> >> >>> Vista
>> >> >> >>> clients ?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>