Server Decisions

Hi, i'm just about ripping my hair out with this.

We are looking to replace our rather old NT server. However this CAL business is driving me around the bend!

We want to install a server that will essentially be a file server which around 30 people will use to store, edit, maintain data (spreadsheets mainly). We would also like to move our AV (nod32 business edition, server will be mirror for workstation signiture updates) and Email server (icewarp mail server) onto the new server.

Sounds easy but when we have around 80 people using email and AV it gets really expensive as it's my understanding that we have to have a CAL for each connecting user or machine. Is this correct or am i barking up the wrong tree.

We were looking at SBS 2008 but that is only limited to 75 users.

We are currently on a workgroup rather than a domain and personally don't see the need to change that unless absolutely nessessary.

Wouldn't it just be easier to get a high spec machine and stick xp pro on it?

If you may be so kind to lend me any advise you may have, i'd be extremly grateful

Many many thanks in advance

Confused of Great Britain!

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Hello Chris,

EBS(Essential Business Server) is up to 300 users and for the licensing part
i suggest to contact MS support to get the best answers for your needs.

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> Hi, i'm just about ripping my hair out with this.
>
> We are looking to replace our rather old NT server. However this CAL
> business is driving me around the bend!
>
> We want to install a server that will essentially be a file server
> which around 30 people will use to store, edit, maintain data
> (spreadsheets mainly). We would also like to move our AV (nod32
> business edition, server will be mirror for workstation signiture
> updates) and Email server (icewarp mail server) onto the new server.
>
> Sounds easy but when we have around 80 people using email and AV it
> gets really expensive as it's my understanding that we have to have a
> CAL for each connecting user or machine. Is this correct or am i
> barking up the wrong tree.
>
> We were looking at SBS 2008 but that is only limited to 75 users.
>
> We are currently on a workgroup rather than a domain and personally
> don't see the need to change that unless absolutely nessessary.
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to get a high spec machine and stick xp pro
> on it?
>
> If you may be so kind to lend me any advise you may have, i'd be
> extremly grateful
>
> Many many thanks in advance
>
> Confused of Great Britain!
>
> EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice
>
> VB.NET Single Sign-On with DIGEST, BASIC, LDAP
>
> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...a-4bc4-b8b4-f3
> 62ec5d0af4/vbnet-single-signon-wit.aspx
>

Hi,
Confused of Great Britain!

British have a nice proverb:
"I'm not rich enough to buy cheap"

If you've still got NT CAL's, those have really paid off by now.

I'd suggest you contact some Microsoft Partner. You could realy get some
awsome deals on volume licensing.

BTW, when you are calculating the cost, you are looking at the price per
seat per year.

"Chris Evans" wrote in message news:...
> Hi, i'm just about ripping my hair out with this.
>
> We are looking to replace our rather old NT server. However this CAL
> business is driving me around the bend!
>
> We want to install a server that will essentially be a file server which
> around 30 people will use to store, edit, maintain data (spreadsheets
> mainly). We would also like to move our AV (nod32 business edition, server
> will be mirror for workstation signiture updates) and Email server
> (icewarp mail server) onto the new server.
>
> Sounds easy but when we have around 80 people using email and AV it gets
> really expensive as it's my understanding that we have to have a CAL for
> each connecting user or machine. Is this correct or am i barking up the
> wrong tree.
>
> We were looking at SBS 2008 but that is only limited to 75 users.
>
> We are currently on a workgroup rather than a domain and personally don't
> see the need to change that unless absolutely nessessary.
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to get a high spec machine and stick xp pro on
> it?
>
> If you may be so kind to lend me any advise you may have, i'd be extremly
> grateful
>
> Many many thanks in advance
>
> Confused of Great Britain!
>
> EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice
> VB.NET Single Sign-On with DIGEST, BASIC, LDAP
> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...ignon-wit.aspx

"Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
news:...
> BTW, when you are calculating the cost, you are looking at the price per
> seat per year.

Per year? You mean 2008?
With older OS's I never had to re-buy every year.

In the business world you spread the cost of assets over a period of time.
Usually, three to five years. It's called depreciation or amortisation.

"Phillip Windell" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> BTW, when you are calculating the cost, you are looking at the price per
>> seat per year.
>
> Per year? You mean 2008?
> With older OS's I never had to re-buy every year.
>

"Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In the business world you spread the cost of assets over a period of time.
> Usually, three to five years. It's called depreciation or amortisation.

You've appearantly not worked in a place that makes you choose between
pencils and toilet paper.
I've been in the business world for 10 years and counting. What I am asking
is MS selling the CALs for 2008 as a yearly thing.

When I bought CALs for 2003 and 2003R2,...they did not "expire" and have to
be bought over and over every year,...I'm asking if you have to do that
over and over every year for 2008 CALs. If so, 2008 will never happpen here
and we will stay on 2003 till I retire or the place goes out of
business,...whichever happens first.


--
Phillip Windell

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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> "Phillip Windell" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> "Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> BTW, when you are calculating the cost, you are looking at the price per
>>> seat per year.
>>
>> Per year? You mean 2008?
>> With older OS's I never had to re-buy every year.
>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depreciation

If you've been in the business world for 10 years and counting, you should
know something about licensing.

Nowhere in my previous posts did I state that Microsoft is selling CAL's as
a yearly thing, although Microsoft does offer a subscription license.
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/s...-payments.aspx


"Phillip Windell" <> wrote in message
news:#...
>
> "Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> In the business world you spread the cost of assets over a period of
>> time. Usually, three to five years. It's called depreciation or
>> amortisation.
>
> You've appearantly not worked in a place that makes you choose between
> pencils and toilet paper.
> I've been in the business world for 10 years and counting. What I am
> asking is MS selling the CALs for 2008 as a yearly thing.
>
> When I bought CALs for 2003 and 2003R2,...they did not "expire" and have
> to be bought over and over every year,...I'm asking if you have to do
> that over and over every year for 2008 CALs. If so, 2008 will never
> happpen here and we will stay on 2003 till I retire or the place goes out
> of business,...whichever happens first.
>
>
> --
> Phillip Windell
>
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
> Microsoft,
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> "Phillip Windell" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> "Dusko Savatovic" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> BTW, when you are calculating the cost, you are looking at the price
>>>> per seat per year.
>>>
>>> Per year? You mean 2008?
>>> With older OS's I never had to re-buy every year.
>>>
>
>